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Old 02-03-2013, 10:10 AM   #21
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Bee to dumb to make a good tactic so nagato wins cause of that
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Bee to dumb to make a good tactic so nagato wins cause of that
You must be new here, insulting Bee's intelligence in battle is probably something more senior members wouldn't do lol, Bee's analytical skills are actually quite impressive considering his decades of battle experience and add that on to the Hachibi who can also give him ideas. Saying Bee's too stupid to be tactical when he's outsmarted the entire shinobi world before is kinda a joke.


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Pain rapes him..................

Killer Bee >>> Sage Mode Naruto

Summon a bunch of animals? Why so V2 Bee can run around the battlefield smacking them around with his ridiculous strength?

This fight is always a tough one and what it really comes down to is two things...

1.) The order in which Bee encounters and attacks the paths
2.) The terrain


For factor 1, we all know this fight comes down to Preta Path. It's the ultimate counter mentioned in every single Pain vs a heavy chakra based technique user thread. If you're trying to say Deva's Ultimate Shinra Tensei is enough to down Bee when he has tanked two bijuudamas to the face you can't be serious. Same thing goes for Deva Path's (not Nagato's) Chibaku Tensei. An imperfectly formed Kurama broke the technique wide open so I don't see why a fully formed Gyuki can't.

Anyway, we also know that Bee in his base form has the tools to take out Preta Path. He has base speed that surpasses Sasuke's and base strength that surpasses V1 Raiton Armor A's. Not to mention the seven swords dance which is basically unguardable. If Preta where to try that same tactic he did against SM Naruto his face is gonna be in the floor again and there will be nothing to stop Killer Bee's rampage. Unlike with SM Naruto there won't be a need for much strategy. Skeleton Hachibi Cloak is too strong for Deva's ST's, too fast for Animal Path's summons or Asura's missiles, and too nimble for Human Path's grasps (extendable tails and claws to crush him from long range). Basically if Bee fought Pain in the same order that Naruto did: Asura -> Preta -> Animal and so on. It's a win.

For the second tactic, in a wooded area Bee demonstrated that his quick reflexes and guerilla style tactics are perfect for him figuring out everyone's techniques. Then he can hide regroup and develop a strategy with the Hachibi. However, if he's in an open space from the start that puts him at a disadvantage.

Essentially, Bee has everything he needs to win but can still lose very easily.

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One Bijuu Bomb is enough.
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A lot of you guys who support Bee winning are forgetting A LOT

-Pain is a member of the akasuki....what does that mean? It means that Pain was NOT trying to KILL Naruto. If Pain wanted to naruto would have lost that battle.

-Pain spent a lot of chakra/time dealing with the ENTIRE Leaf village. So he was not at his best when he fought Naruto

-Kyubi chakra is the STRONGEST their is. Just because the Kyubi broke out of PLANTARY DEVASTATION. Does not mean the Habachi would. The tails have an immense gap in power.

So yes PLANTARY DEVASTATION wraps this battle up quite nicely
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You must be new here, insulting Bee's intelligence in battle is probably something more senior members wouldn't do lol, Bee's analytical skills are actually quite impressive considering his decades of battle experience and add that on to the Hachibi who can also give him ideas. Saying Bee's too stupid to be tactical when he's outsmarted the entire shinobi world before is kinda a joke.


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Killer Bee >>> Sage Mode Naruto

Summon a bunch of animals? Why so V2 Bee can run around the battlefield smacking them around with his ridiculous strength?

This fight is always a tough one and what it really comes down to is two things...

1.) The order in which Bee encounters and attacks the paths
2.) The terrain


For factor 1, we all know this fight comes down to Preta Path. It's the ultimate counter mentioned in every single Pain vs a heavy chakra based technique user thread. If you're trying to say Deva's Ultimate Shinra Tensei is enough to down Bee when he has tanked two bijuudamas to the face you can't be serious. Same thing goes for Deva Path's (not Nagato's) Chibaku Tensei. An imperfectly formed Kurama broke the technique wide open so I don't see why a fully formed Gyuki can't.

Anyway, we also know that Bee in his base form has the tools to take out Preta Path. He has base speed that surpasses Sasuke's and base strength that surpasses V1 Raiton Armor A's. Not to mention the seven swords dance which is basically unguardable. If Preta where to try that same tactic he did against SM Naruto his face is gonna be in the floor again and there will be nothing to stop Killer Bee's rampage. Unlike with SM Naruto there won't be a need for much strategy. Skeleton Hachibi Cloak is too strong for Deva's ST's, too fast for Animal Path's summons or Asura's missiles, and too nimble for Human Path's grasps (extendable tails and claws to crush him from long range). Basically if Bee fought Pain in the same order that Naruto did: Asura -> Preta -> Animal and so on. It's a win.

For the second tactic, in a wooded area Bee demonstrated that his quick reflexes and guerilla style tactics are perfect for him figuring out everyone's techniques. Then he can hide regroup and develop a strategy with the Hachibi. However, if he's in an open space from the start that puts him at a disadvantage.

Essentially, Bee has everything he needs to win but can still lose very easily.
This is pretty good reason why killer bee should win


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A lot of you guys who support Bee winning are forgetting A LOT

-Pain is a member of the akasuki....what does that mean? It means that Pain was NOT trying to KILL Naruto. If Pain wanted to naruto would have lost that battle.

-Pain spent a lot of chakra/time dealing with the ENTIRE Leaf village. So he was not at his best when he fought Naruto

-Kyubi chakra is the STRONGEST their is. Just because the Kyubi broke out of PLANTARY DEVASTATION. Does not mean the Habachi would. The tails have an immense gap in power.

So yes PLANTARY DEVASTATION wraps this battle up quite nicely
If kill bee manage to kill Naraka Path, Nagato will not able to bring back other paths and killer bee should easily able to defeat Preta Path with his speed and power after this two path are gone other are fodder compare to killer bee leaving Deva Path but deva path also have pretty bad weakness after each Shinra Tensei he can’t use his attack for five second this should be more than enough time for killer bee to defeat pain
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You do know this is a pretty BIG IF right? Bee is not the brightest and he does not know which pain is which or which path does what! The odds or probiblity of this happening is very low.

So? Deva path would just push him away so he would not touch Preta.

No they are still alive. Your methods of them being defeated are not so simple and would not work

You do know the Animal path can summon beasts the size of Habachi right? How would Killer B beat the multiple headed dog? And konan would supply excellent back up


BTW, how does Killer B surivie PLANTARY DEVASTATION??
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You do know the Animal path can summon beasts the size of Habachi right? How would Killer B beat the multiple headed dog? And konan would supply excellent back up


BTW, how does Killer B surivie PLANTARY DEVASTATION??
What if killer Bee have same amount of knowledge what naruto had

Bijuu Bomb should be enough to defeat multiple headed dog
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What if killer Bee have same amount of knowledge what naruto had

Bijuu Bomb should be enough to defeat multiple headed dog
I think that would just split the dog again.
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The OP doesn't give much info.
Knowledge? Prep? Area?

With no knowledge - Pein rapes him.
Probably rapes him with knowledge, too. xD
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I think that would just split the dog again.
Only slashing or cutting attack cause multiple headed dog to split
Bijuu Bomb is something else it will destroy multiple headed dog cells or cause serious injury
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The OP doesn't give much info.
Knowledge? Prep? Area?

With no knowledge - Pein rapes him.
Probably rapes him with knowledge, too. xD
If the op says nothing we go by the defaults.

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so who is the winner pain or Killer Bee?
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you guys are missing the point. With or WITHOUT knowledge Pain still WINS

Why?.
Because Bee can not stop PLANTARY DEVASTATION

Also Preta path would absorb the chakra so it would not hit the multi-headed dog
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OP also didn't specify whether or not this is prime/Edo Nagato or it's just crippled nagato/six paths. By default, this means that his Chibaku Tensei are at a much weaker level than when Bee/itachi/Naruto destroyed it.
doesn't matter whether Bee knows how to destroy CT or not. He will the moment he launches it. The gravitational force will attract the Bijuu-dama towards it and a mountain-level Bijuu Bomb will definitely destroy CT.
Knowing how powerful CT is, it's likely that Nagato has to deactivate his other paths and concentrate the blunt of his power on Deva, leaving a golden opportunity for Bee to slaugher them all.
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Pain is the alias used by the six bodys, nagato = nagato. Were discussing pain here.

Where does this sudden power difference between ct come from?
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OP also didn't specify whether or not this is prime/Edo Nagato or it's just crippled nagato/six paths. By default, this means that his Chibaku Tensei are at a much weaker level than when Bee/itachi/Naruto destroyed it.
doesn't matter whether Bee knows how to destroy CT or not. He will the moment he launches it. The gravitational force will attract the Bijuu-dama towards it and a mountain-level Bijuu Bomb will definitely destroy CT.
Knowing how powerful CT is, it's likely that Nagato has to deactivate his other paths and concentrate the blunt of his power on Deva, leaving a golden opportunity for Bee to slaugher them all.
Where is your proof of this?
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you guys are missing the point. With or WITHOUT knowledge Pain still WINS

Why?.
Because Bee can not stop PLANTARY DEVASTATION

Also Preta path would absorb the chakra so it would not hit the multi-headed dog
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Come on man. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLYYYYY.

It wasn't Kurama's chakra that broke free of Chibaku Tensei it was his raw power. With just eight tails and in an incomplete form Kurama physically forced his way out of CT. Why on Earth would Bee not be able to do the same? Physically speaking Bijuu Mode Bee's feats aren't far off from Bijuu Mode Naruto's, I'd say they might as well be equal. Bee cleared an entire forest with Hachimaki. He's tanked two mountain busters to the face. Look at some of his feats against other bijuu. While inside Naruto's mind (where he said he was weaker) he managed to grapple with a fully formed Kurama. Then he caught Kurama's bijuudama with one hand while in that weakened state. He was able to stop the Sanbi from steamrolling Naruto and Kurama with his tails. All of these are feats that place Bee and Gyuki physically on par with Naruto and Kurama.
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^Kurama is several times more powerfull then gyuki. Seeing as kuruma tagged along with gyukim with just half of his power.
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Default Re: pain vs Killer Bee

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Originally Posted by JLI2infinity View Post
It wasn't Kurama's chakra that broke free of Chibaku Tensei it was his raw power. With just eight tails and in an incomplete form Kurama physically forced his way out of CT.
it was both Kurama and Naruto. And Kurama's power level/chakra has a huge gap between each other. That one tail of power is a huge difference. If Killer Bee could have defeated PLANTARY DEVASTATION by himself he would have.
Why on Earth would Bee not be able to do the same? Physically speaking Bijuu Mode Bee's feats aren't far off from Bijuu Mode Naruto's, I'd say they might as well be equal. Bee cleared an entire forest with Hachimaki. He's tanked two mountain busters to the face. Look at some of his feats against other bijuu.
What does clearing a forest have to do with anything? The forest had no chakra it was not a threat. Plus the gravity would pull and make it harder to move. a bijju bomb is a direct attack and is different than PLANTARY DEVASTATION! Itachi knew that they had to combine their attacks to defeat the jutsu. If Bee could have solo'd it he would have.
While inside Naruto's mind (where he said he was weaker) he managed to grapple with a fully formed Kurama. Then he caught Kurama's bijuudama with one hand while in that weakened state. He was able to stop the Sanbi from steamrolling Naruto and Kurama with his tails. All of these are feats that place Bee and Gyuki physically on par with Naruto and Kurama.
Those feats do not compare to the effects of PLANTARY DEVASTATION!
Bee can not defeat the jutsu alone.He would have if he could
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