Hokages vs Saviors (Since this was not orginal enough for JL2)

[Maruko]

Originally Posted by konoha chimp

God you really make it seem so easy to kill the hokages. So what excactly... Guy uses hiradoura and both Hiruzen and Tobirama lose instantly? I don't think so...
And what you're also saying is Hashirama's woodstyle is basically useless.. seriously? You would think the guy that could beat both Madara and nine tails wouldn't just lose because of Kamui or Hirodora, I usually like to agree with you prince but I think you are just really wrong this time..

The original post states that Kakashi can't use Kamui to damage the foe.

[konoha chimp]

I was implying that he was making it seem as though woodstyle was useless because it can be Kamui'd away defensively

[PrinceofPeace]

The wood style is continous and Kakashi has not kaumi'd a long range contiunous multiple attack

[Godaime Kazekage]

I love it when this happens-proof that ABC logic doesn't work. Hokages win here even though they lose to Other Kages who lose to "Saviors". Hashirama's wood style combined with Minato's Space Time Barrier perfectly counter the Bijuu. That takes away the vast majority of Naruto and Bee's strength. Team Saviors then have nothing that can take out the forest with sleeping pollen.

[Shisko Shi]

See I love Minato, because he was skilled. Naruto has help.

Also there is is 1st wood stryle to cature the beast. He can then use the world tree and flower.

[PrinceofPeace]

Your welcome gK

[konoha chimp]

I give up. Lets just wait until we see Hashirama/Tobirama in action in the manga (if they are)

[PrinceofPeace]

For now The Saviors win this!

[Shisko Shi]

He can kaumi away but how much can he do it?

1st can subdo 8 and nine tails. Tangling them them correct? But then again it would be hard to do so unless the chakra is suppressed. Unless Naruto has the crystal neckless.

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

I love it when this happens-proof that ABC logic doesn't work. Hokages win here even though they lose to Other Kages who lose to "Saviors". Hashirama's wood style combined with Minato's Space Time Barrier perfectly counter the Bijuu. That takes away the vast majority of Naruto and Bee's strength. Team Saviors then have nothing that can take out the forest with sleeping pollen.

Yeah no team Savior rapes. Lol Kakashi with Kamui nullifies any attack aimed at them. Especially since he is with Naruto who would feed him chakra. Team savior went against Madara, Obito, and the juubi. Nevermind Naruto faced down an entire war with no break before the fight.

[Maruko]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

For now The Saviors win this!

How?
You ask for proof, now you give me proof how they beat 4 hokages.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Yeah no team Savior rapes. Lol Kakashi with Kamui nullifies any attack aimed at them. Especially since he is with Naruto who would feed him chakra. Team savior went against Madara, Obito, and the juubi. Nevermind Naruto faced down an entire war with no break before the fight.

Okay...you don't say anything relevant besides Kamui GG. Kamui can't be used for attacking per the OP and the Bijuu are going to be taken down by wood style so Kurama can't feed him more chakra. The only counter the Bijuu had to wood style was TBB, but that turns into a suicide mission when Minato can redirect it at them. Kamui can only be focused on one spot at a time too and the Hokage can attack from multiple directions.

[swagato]

Team savior bijuu mode naruto spam rasen shuriken and bijuu damas,
Kakashi kamui every one,
Gai uses 7gate bear tech or what ever its called,
Bee bijuu dama every thing, simple math realy

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

Okay...you don't say anything relevant besides Kamui GG. Kamui can't be used for attacking per the OP and the Bijuu are going to be taken down by wood style so Kurama can't feed him more chakra. The only counter the Bijuu had to wood style was TBB, but that turns into a suicide mission when Minato can redirect it at them. Kamui can only be focused on one spot at a time too and the Hokage can attack from multiple directions.

Again op changed Kamui so everyone bringing that up is failing hard. Next up Naruto is faster than anyone on the field. Then there is the simple reasoning that Woodstyle actually has to capture Naruto or Bee to drain. Naruto escaped it before casually with his speed.

Then you are comparing KM Naruto and Bee to simple minded bijuu. Number 1 Minato redirected a bijuu bomb. Bee and Naruto can shoot out multiple bijuu bombs. Number 2 you are forgetting the fact naruto has a massive arsenal of frs, giant rasengans, sagemode, unrivaled speed, summonings and mass clones. This is Naruto by himself. Then you add Bee, Kakashi, and Gai. Team Kage has no chance whatsoever.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Maruko

How?
You ask for proof, now you give me proof how they beat 4 hokages.

Did you not see my past posts???

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Again op changed Kamui so everyone bringing that up is failing hard. Next up Naruto is faster than anyone on the field. Then there is the simple reasoning that Woodstyle actually has to capture Naruto or Bee to drain. Naruto escaped it before casually with his speed.

Then you are comparing KM Naruto and Bee to simple minded bijuu. Number 1 Minato redirected a bijuu bomb. Bee and Naruto can shoot out multiple bijuu bombs. Number 2 you are forgetting the fact naruto has a massive arsenal of frs, giant rasengans, sagemode, unrivaled speed, summonings and mass clones. This is Naruto by himself. Then you add Bee, Kakashi, and Gai. Team Kage has no chance whatsoever.

I don't see where the OP changed Kamui, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Hashirama's wood dragon has caught the Kyuubi twice and Gyuuki was captured without a sweat, so I don't see that being a problem. Although, to be fair, Naruto got out of it pretty quickly after he switched out of full beast form. And "Simple minded Bijuu"...where were you for the first half of the Obito vs. Naruto and co. fight?

1. It stands to reason that if Minato can redirect one he can redirect more of them. It's just a barrier that he places in front of himself and it didn't cause him any noticeable fatigue after being used.

2. I'll grant you that Naruto is very versatile, but a prime Hiruzen can also clone spam and Minato can rival his speed with FTG. And before you start arguing otherwise, please tell me how something can move faster than instant teleportation. Summonings are also taken out of the equation since the toads are loyal to Minato as well.

[PrinceofPeace]

IF Hashirama uses Wood Dragon and then the bijjus would have to be in their normal form and not their ture ultimate form correnct?


So if Hashirama uses Advent of following trees after that then the bijju's would not have the powre to destroy the forest correct?

Guy could use Hidora but Hashirama would just make more trees yes? or minato could re direct it

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

I don't see where the OP changed Kamui, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Hashirama's wood dragon has caught the Kyuubi twice and Gyuuki was captured without a sweat, so I don't see that being a problem. Although, to be fair, Naruto got out of it pretty quickly after he switched out of full beast form. And "Simple minded Bijuu"...where were you for the first half of the Obito vs. Naruto and co. fight?

1. It stands to reason that if Minato can redirect one he can redirect more of them. It's just a barrier that he places in front of himself and it didn't cause him any noticeable fatigue after being used.

2. I'll grant you that Naruto is very versatile, but a prime Hiruzen can also clone spam and Minato can rival his speed with FTG. And before you start arguing otherwise, please tell me how something can move faster than instant teleportation. Summonings are also taken out of the equation since the toads are loyal to Minato as well.

It was before you even responded that Kamui was changed.

The bijuu for the most part didn't let on any form of intelligence in their fights. They just rampaged with their powers. Hachibi has stated this himself. But like you say it doesn't matter Naruto has escaped wood style quickly. It's not that impressive against someone with his speed.

Key point is Minato has to be set up. Naruto has clearly shown speed equal or greater than him. Not only that Naruto or Bee can release bijuudama kn6 level while maintaining their speed. Their arsenal is too much for Minato to handle.

Obito and Naruto is clearly as fast or faster than Minato. Regardless of whether you like to admit it or not. Minato's teleportation is reaction based. So his combat is teleportation but it is still mainly natural speed. As proven by A. Also loyalty for the toads doesn't matter in a bg fight.

[PrinceofPeace]

just modify to the NEW OP. I am trying to make it fair. It is HARD to make good threads. You try it *pouts*

[Junami]

The Nine Tails never said Naruto had superior speed. The Nine Tails said that he surpassed the 4th and Kushina when it came to chakra control. (Just to throw that in there.)
P.S: I ignored a few pages of the thread so if this has been mentioned or settled, feel free to ignore.