Kages vs Hokages

[PrinceofPeace]

Nobody has shown speed feats fast enough to dodge besides minato

While hashirama uses a tree to get close my flies further away... Did you forget my is invisible?

[NINE-TAILS-BIJU]

well harashirama can delay the thingy from hitting them w/ wood and they run

[PrinceofPeace]

How? He can not see muu and hashirama does not have the speed feats to counter enough.

Muu can fly past hashirama an use dust release to kill tobirama or hiruzrb

[NINE-TAILS-BIJU]

that is if Minato can get him out of the direction of the jutsu/muu, Minato can teleport other people as well.

[PrinceofPeace]

Yeah but now minato has to anticipate the attack. Not to mention te 3RK is ready to fight and blitz the foe
And
2MK is ready to hide his team with mist

[Shisko Shi]

POP you said Kages. Before I say anything please state how.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Well, considering there is no prep Muu will not start out invisible so the Hokage can try to take him out before he can go invisible, but I can't really see them being able to do that when the three other Kage are there to support him (Gold Dust as a shield and 3RK to intercept blitzes). After that happens it would likely become 4 Kage vs. Minato which he couldn't win.

To play devil's advocate though, the Hokage could move close to their opponents as soon as Muu goes invisible meaning he'd have to take out his allies too if he wanted to hit the Hokage. Minato could also theoretically use a Space/Time barrier to redirect the Dust Release attack if he had sufficient time to react. Hashirama also has wood clones that could be used to trick them.

[BMC1994]

Both The third Raikage (Armor) and the second mizukage(Hozuki) would be immune to minatos blitzes.

Honestly i see the third and the second getting obliterated by dust release.

Their best bet would be hashi wood release > Advent of Flowering trees but muu could easily destroy any trees he creates.

Gaaras dad provides defensive support.

I'd say the non hokages win.

[PrinceofPeace]

@shi
-how what

Soo could muu solo??

[Bazk]

i see the kages gank down the 2nd 3rd and 4th hokage but not the 1st seeing how the current kages cant beat madara who is said to be weaker then him.

his massive forrests his wood clones and his medical skills and certain other insaine techniques

[Uchiha Sora]

Don't think any body can take down the third Raikage I'd have to go with the Kage.

Plus dat Dust release

Tobi and Hashi and Hiru would end up gettin blitzed..

2nd Mizukage provides genjutsu support and Gaara's dad just does what he does. They have a much more balanced team unlike the Hokage.

[JLI2infinity]

Hokages win. Hashirama OP.

Well first and foremost, this thread has been done before probably about a year ago but second of all. EMS Madara lost to Hashirama. Edo Madara just soloed all 5 of the current Kages and was complaining the entire time about how if he had Hashirama there it would be a challenge. This was Madara with Rinnegan and Mokuton saying Hashirama would be a match for him.

Gaara is already superior to his father and he would've been destroyed by Madara. Muu was temporarily matched by Onoki and Onoki has techniques for support which Muu does not. Third Raikage and Second Tsuchikage would be the biggest threat but they'd still lose out.

Advent of the Flowering Trees for Muu
Bringer of Darkness and Wood Dragon for Third Raikage
Tobirama floods the entire arena with Suiton to expose the clam and Second Mizukage's technique.


Hiruzen in his prime has been hyped as probably the best shinobi in history in regards to mastery of all forms of shinobi combat and Minato is Minato there's enough wank of him already so I won't go through his credentials all they need to do here is provide adequate support.

And if someone says that Muu just destroys Mokuton keep in mind that Onoki barely reacted to it and the moment Muu becomes visible Minato will blitz the hell out of him.


EDIT: What's up with all this. Kages get blitzed stuff? Did we forget Minato's on the team and Third Raikage is slower than A. TRK goes to blitz Minato's already reacted and moved his teammate 10 blocks in the other direction. And with the whole Raikages blitz strategy I've heard used against uberhax opponents like Hashirama or Madara (non-Edo). Hashirama can most likely react like Madara by raising his guard. He will probably get his arm broken considering he isnt an Edo but after that he can heal himself and the initial blitz will have failed. Then he makes 30 wood clones and proceeds to have an epic battle with the Black Zeus until eventually TRK falls. That'd probably be how a 1 on 1 goes down between the two.

[Naruto Namikazi]

If we are talking about ALL the Kage-s, and by that i mean the Edo Tensei Kage-s and the ones before them + the current ones, then Kage-s win.

The sheer number is enough to stand against the Hokage-s... The Kazekage's gold dust is stronger than you think, doesnt mean that Gaara beat him that the jutsu sucks and weak.

And everyone seems to forget ONE point about Minato... Guys HE CAN NOT BLITZ RIGHT FROM THE START... The commentor above me (Infinity) said that Minato biltz Muu right off the bat when he tries to go invisible... Everyone seems to forget that in order for Minato to blitz he needs his seals to be located on the place he goes to or throw that Kunai of his.... This battle has no PREP! So Minato has NO time whatsoever to do that, Muu CAN go invisible before Minato even notices it... And the rest of the Kage-s will do more than enough... Jokey Boy and other powerful jutsus from the other Kages... So yeah... This isnt an easy win for the Hokage-s as many seem to believe

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by Naruto Namikazi

If we are talking about ALL the Kage-s, and by that i mean the Edo Tensei Kage-s and the ones before them + the current ones, then Kage-s win.

The sheer number is enough to stand against the Hokage-s... The Kazekage's gold dust is stronger than you think, doesnt mean that Gaara beat him that the jutsu sucks and weak.

And everyone seems to forget ONE point about Minato... Guys HE CAN NOT BLITZ RIGHT FROM THE START... The commentor above me (Infinity) said that Minato biltz Muu right off the bat when he tries to go invisible... Everyone seems to forget that in order for Minato to blitz he needs his seals to be located on the place he goes to or throw that Kunai of his.... This battle has no PREP! So Minato has NO time whatsoever to do that, Muu CAN go invisible before Minato even notices it... And the rest of the Kage-s will do more than enough... Jokey Boy and other powerful jutsus from the other Kages... So yeah... This isnt an easy win for the Hokage-s as many seem to believe

Read the OP it's only 4 kages >.>

No I didn't I said he blitzes Muu when he becomes visible to prep for dust release. And you saying Muu can go invis before Minato notices is a joke considering Minato has the fastest reaction time in the Narutoverse. Even if he can't do anything about it he still notices everything that happens in battle.

[Naruto Namikazi]

LOL... Sorry i didnt notice the list of Kage-s that were listed only the Hokage-s

It was a figure speech >.> Dont take everything literally, plus even if he notices he wont be able to do anything about nor will the other Hokage-s.

4th KK is more of a support character and a strong one... He can easily "stick" everyone to the ground, Hashirama will get out easily though, the others, not so easily.

3rd Raikage can easily get rid of Hiruzen... And 2nd TK can take care of Minato... the 2 MK will take care Tobirama... Plus his Genjutsu... Now its KK sand making a big problem from the background and the Genjutsu created by 2 MK. And lets not forget Jokey Boy

The ONLY problem i see here is Hashirama... And frankly, i am having trouble figuring out a tactic against that monster.



Also, is Tobirama allowed to ET?

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by Naruto Namikazi

LOL... Sorry i didnt notice the list of Kage-s that were listed only the Hokage-s

It was a figure speech >.> Dont take everything literally, plus even if he notices he wont be able to do anything about nor will the other Hokage-s.

4th KK is more of a support character and a strong one... He can easily "stick" everyone to the ground, Hashirama will get out easily though, the others, not so easily.

3rd Raikage can easily get rid of Hiruzen... And 2nd TK can take care of Minato... the 2 MK will take care Tobirama... Plus his Genjutsu... Now its KK sand making a big problem from the background and the Genjutsu created by 2 MK. And lets not forget Jokey Boy

The ONLY problem i see here is Hashirama... And frankly, i am having trouble figuring out a tactic against that monster.



Also, is Tobirama allowed to ET?

No Tobirama is not allowed ET and this strategy would be great if these fights were all 1v1 but unfortunately this is a team battle. So you don't get the match ups you want with each person serving as a perfect counter. Tobirama can flood the battlefield so no clam means no genjutsu means no Minato counter.

How can he "stick" everyone to the ground. He doesn't start off fights with sand at their feet. and Tobirama and Hashirama can easily counter his gold dust wave with a combined Suiton technique.

Too bad TRK is going to have to get through a forest of poisoned flowers and trees to touch Hiruzen in the first place. Or break Bringer of Darkness genjutsu, or manage to catch Minato who can teleport Hiruzen to scattered kunai.

Hokage's have better chemistry and the strongest shinobi in history this fight is over.

EDIT: I do think if this was set up bracket style or like the chuunin exams the other Kages would have a chance, there I think your strategies would work, but as a team it's not really fair. Muu and 2MK are both like assassins making their abilities better suited for 1 on 1s.

[Naruto Namikazi]

Oh well... It was a good try to stand up for Kage-s so this isnt too one sided, but it can't be helped...

It was obvious that Hokage-s win... Hashirama alone is enough to take them out... Oh well... At least i tried... Good debate Infinity

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

Hokages win. Hashirama OP.
Yes I agree that Hashirama is short from a god but thats all hype.

Well first and foremost, this thread has been done before probably about a year ago but second of all.
aww really I thought I was orgininal
EMS Madara lost to Hashirama. Edo Madara just soloed all 5 of the current Kages and was complaining the entire time about how if he had Hashirama there it would be a challenge.
That does not count cuz This is EDO EMS MADARA WITH RINNEGAN. THere is a HUGE difference
This was Madara with Rinnegan and Mokuton saying Hashirama would be a match for him.
I LOVE YOU HASHIRAMA

Gaara is already superior to his father and he would've been destroyed by Madara. Muu was temporarily matched by Onoki and Onoki has techniques for support which Muu does not. Third Raikage and Second Tsuchikage would be the biggest threat but they'd still lose out.
That is hype and A>B.>C logic which is flawed

Advent of the Flowering Trees for Muu
Huh?? An exhausted Onoki destroyed the tress so Muu would as well
Bringer of Darkness and Wood Dragon for Third Raikage
teammates release 3RK out of genjutsu and Wood dragon works best on Kyubbi
Tobirama floods the entire arena with Suiton to expose the clam and Second Mizukage's technique.
did you forget 2MK has hydrofacation?? He would just absorb the water and grow stronger


Hiruzen in his prime has been hyped as probably the best shinobi in history in regards to mastery of all forms of shinobi combat and Minato is Minato there's enough wank of him already so I won't go through his credentials all they need to do here is provide adequate support.
that is all hype not feats.

And if someone says that Muu just destroys Mokuton keep in mind that Onoki barely reacted to it and the moment Muu becomes visible Minato will blitz the hell out of him.
How would Minato blitz him when Muu is in the sky?? And Muu can blitz himself in time. Afterall Minato is slower than naruto.

Bu hype I agree Hokages win but by feats Hokages lose

[konoha chimp]

I'm going to go out on a guess now and say:

Minato > 3rd Raikage
Tobirama > 4th Kazekage
Hashirama > 2nd Tsuchikage
Hiruzen > 2nd Mizukage

Of course this is just a quick guess, though I feel certain about the first two, I'm not too certain about the Mizukage/Tsuchikage though..

[PrinceofPeace]

how does Hashirama beat Muu?