Who'd Be The Most Troublesome Hokage & Why?

[FireShadow]

minato is too fast but not enough to dodge death sealing technique.

[SmellyDump]

Originally Posted by FireShadow

minato is too fast but not enough to dodge death sealing technique.

What are you talking about?

Nobody said anything about Minato needing to dodge a death sealing technique

[FireShadow]

well saying that old man hokage break free and have to seal them back again.

Spoiler:

[coolm3]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

We can not assume Tobirama's abilities and jutsu. From what we know he is the weakest

That goes the same for assuming he is weak.

[Kioroshi.]

It will be interesting to see hiruzen chatting with orochimaru or hashi and tobi "will you leave us alone necrophile!" lol.


Also i would be dissapointed if kishi does not show orochimaru in his true power and full potential.

[Phacade]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

Hashirama - WoodStyle

Spoiler:

Tobirama - Can Perform His Own Edo Tensei Of Other Legendary Shinobi

Hiruzen - Can Summon A Monkey

Minato - Well, He's Got The Kuubi's Chakra

From most dangerous to least, I'd have to say -

Spoiler:

1. Hashirama. He's supposed to be top dog in the Narutoverse. The fact that Madara, who talked to all five Kaga like they were children and then wiped them out and yet both feared and respected Hashirama tells me he is the man.
2. Tobirama. Think about it. He is the Izuna of the Senju Clan, the little brother of the leader of his Clan. Just because we've not seen it doesn't mean that Tobirama also didn't have his brother's Kekkei Genkai of woodstyle. For all we know, he just preferred to use waterstyle (or was better at it). Waterstyle is, after all, part of woodstyle. Plus he invented Edo Tensei and was able to use the area of darkness jutsu and held off a huge number of enemy ninja in the First Ninja Great War. Also the man.
3. Minato. Flying Thunder God. Sealing wonder of the Narutoverse. Very clever and determined. Possibly half of Kurma's chakra in him. Faster than a speeding kunai.
4. Hiruzen. Pfft. Even I can summon a monkey.

[DrKage]

I have no idea who would be most troublesome, I can make arguments for each one. Probably Hashirama though since his abilities seem to be what's driving this whole conflict now.

1. Hashirama - Woodstyle and apparently, ultimate medical ninjutsu user. Can battle Madara who had Kurama under his control and seemingly win that fight.

2. Tobirama - Created Edo Tensei. Why was he even working on this. Was he doing it before or after Hashirama's death. Also basically invented the non-Kamui space time jutsu. Who knows what else he's got up his sleeve.

3. Hiruzen - Was Hokage for 50 (!) years and revered as God of Shinobi and lasted through at least 2 major wars. In 50 years, none of the other Kage could get the best of him or Konoha with him at the helm.

4. Minato - Might arguably be the fast shinobi in history and invented the Rasengan which gives him an immense edge in battle since he doesn't have to make signs or anything else. In addition to his Flying Thunder God technique, he'd regarded as a genius. And he might be the weakest of the 4.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by coolm3

That goes the same for assuming he is weak.

which is why we go by his feats. And from his feats he is weak and has no ST ninjuts

[FireShadow]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

which is why we go by his feats. And from his feats he is weak and has no ST ninjuts

well hashi is weak to then since all we have on him is hype.

[Jakropha]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

which is why we go by his feats. And from his feats he is weak and has no ST ninjuts

We are told he has it though.

Do not discount it.

Also, being the best in the world of anything is pretty much a feat on it's own.

Seriously, you discount the fact that when making a total assumption on 4 Kage that we have seen nothing of, just what we are told by characters, you have the balls to say "We are just told he can use water style/space time, he is still weak"
Hiruzen is SAID to be the God of the Universe, skill wise? He barely beat what we weakly saw of a weak Wood Style, and a weak Water Style, I blame Kishi's early ability to illustrate fights for that.
Hashirama, we have only be TOLD amazing feats of him, and having a godly Madara use the same moves as him, not the same as him actually using them.

Tobirama? We have seen nothing of him, But we should at least assume he is better than Hiruzen and Minato with free will, as he has been around longer, is a master at Water Style (which is a pretty epic feat), and his foretold space time, no way to scale his abilities.

But you have balls to say he's the weakest

I have money on Minato actually being the weakest.

[PrinceofPeace]

@Fire Shadow
-We know Hashirama is strong because we have seen his feats from EDO Madara

Tobirama is near weak because of just water style and idk what ST he has but it does not mean much

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by DrKage

I have no idea who would be most troublesome, I can make arguments for each one. Probably Hashirama though since his abilities seem to be what's driving this whole conflict now.

1. Hashirama - Woodstyle and apparently, ultimate medical ninjutsu user. Can battle Madara who had Kurama under his control and seemingly win that fight.

2. Tobirama - Created Edo Tensei. Why was he even working on this. Was he doing it before or after Hashirama's death. Also basically invented the non-Kamui space time jutsu. Who knows what else he's got up his sleeve.

3. Hiruzen - Was Hokage for 50 (!) years and revered as God of Shinobi and lasted through at least 2 major wars. In 50 years, none of the other Kage could get the best of him or Konoha with him at the helm.

4. Minato - Might arguably be the fast shinobi in history and invented the Rasengan which gives him an immense edge in battle since he doesn't have to make signs or anything else. In addition to his Flying Thunder God technique, he'd regarded as a genius. And he might be the weakest of the 4.

Minato is the weakest! wow!

Blasphemy! I command you to disappear into juubi's vag!na...

[Phariah824]

in power ranking i would say
1# Harishima
2# Hiruzen
3# Tobirama
4# Minato

i mean Madara said his battles with Harishima would change the landscape having map makers make new ones to show the changed area. so that in itself makes me say the 1st Hokage.

Hiruzen was said to the master of all jutsu. to see him in a powerful body w/ Unlimitted chakra would be something.

Tobirama 3rd. i mean even if he has ET he needs specimens to do it and needs bodies.

Minato weakest. yes he is fast and has the rasengan (weak version) yet still not as strong as the rest imho.

[Maruko]

Hashirama vs. Madara. (No need to explain)

Spoiler:

Tobirama vs Obito (Both shunshin)

Minato vs Kakashi/Naruto (Sensei/Dad)
Hiruzen vs who?

[FireShadow]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

@Fire Shadow
-We know Hashirama is strong because we have seen his feats from EDO Madara

Tobirama is near weak because of just water style and idk what ST he has but it does not mean much

we have yet to see feets of hashi so yeah your argument in not valid.

[kalmeast]

Spoiler:

you guys are discounting a very important fact...

1... when kishi was asked, "is minato the strongest shinobi in narutoverse" (this is discounting Rikoudo". Kishi said "YES" that is "among all dead shinobi"... "He's not the strongest if counting the living"

Hashi was dead then... so was madara and hiruzen and Tobirama, yet, Minato was considered the strongest by Kishi himself...


But the fact that kishi is inconsistent... oh well...

I don't ever see Minato getting hit by Hashi's mokouton...the kid is too fast and his chakra level is OP. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a sealing jutsu that'd suppress Hashi's Mokuton...

Does Minato have a power level that can suppress Madara's Susanoo like Hashi's Mokuton can? Perhaps NO!

This is why I'm not asking about the strongest, cuz it'd never be resolved...

I'm asking the most troublesome...the hardest to deal with...

I think the hardest to deal with would be Minato!...He's to quick even for the alliance...he probably has sealing jutsus that'd automatically suppress all that kuubi chakra Naruto gave the alliance in a blink of an eye...

[SmellyDump]

Originally Posted by FireShadow

we have yet to see feets of hashi so yeah your argument in not valid.

Madara claims Hashirama was his rival in battle and we have now seen Madara's feats so we can infer how powerful Hashirama is.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by FireShadow

we have yet to see feets of hashi so yeah your argument in not valid.

Madara's wood style feats ARE Hashirama feats

Minato and Hiruzen are all hype!!

If Minato are hiruzen were that good they would have saved their village and lived to brag about it

Afterall Hashirama did

[paradigm1977]

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

which is why we go by his feats. And from his feats he is weak and has no ST ninjuts

We don't have to go by feats in the "Troublesome," thread. We aren't talking about power levels. We are talking about hard to deal with in a fight.

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

@Fire Shadow
-We know Hashirama is strong because we have seen his feats from EDO Madara

Tobirama is near weak because of just water style and idk what ST he has but it does not mean much

Hashi doesn't simply get Madara's feats. This is ET Madara with rinnegan. Better than his prime, remember? No you do not get to pass along unlimited chakra moukoton from the Et rinnegan user who tricked him, and say hashirama is exactly the same....UNLESS, you give me my choice of Obito or Minato's S/T for Tobirama.

Originally Posted by kalmeast

you guys are discounting a very important fact...

1... when kishi was asked, "is minato the strongest shinobi in narutoverse" (this is discounting Rikoudo". Kishi said "YES" that is "among all dead shinobi"... "He's not the strongest if counting the living"

Hashi was dead then... so was madara and hiruzen and Tobirama, yet, Minato was considered the strongest by Kishi himself...


This is why I'm not asking about the strongest, cuz it'd never be resolved...

I'm asking the most troublesome...the hardest to deal with...

I hear you. Though I don't assume Minato could beat Nagato. Or more specifically, the 6 paths. You maybe meant strongest of the hokage, which I though was said of Minato in general of the hokages. But that's from what I heard people saying on hear, not the actual interview. You are saying strongest during his tenure as hokage.

Hardest to deal with is more defensive, whether it's dodging or outright can't be killed+battlefield controlling jutsu+anything that confuses the enemy+anything that can kick the enemies butt(power)+and intelligence. (and maybe something I forgot).

Space/Time must be harder than anything to deal with. Whether It's Tobi or Minato...or Tobirama.

Kisame could flood an area. And rule while underwater. You could drown. Or just, you can't move fast through it without a feat. And so you get owned.

Combine E/T chakra with water and you see that Tobirama can control the terrain unless an ET earth user (water's weakness) has the high level jutsu knowledge to raise enough cliffs to negate it. But than there's S/T on top of that.

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

but what ST does TOmbirama have??

@Kalmast

Minato has to blitz people in the alliance to hurt them
Hashirama can take out an entire army just with Advent of Following Trees.

Just answered as you typed yours.

[PrinceofPeace]

but what ST does TOmbirama have??

@Kalmast

Minato has to blitz people in the alliance to hurt them
Hashirama can take out an entire army just with Advent of Following Trees.