Naruto vs goku

[Rasengan SageX5]

In that case, FireShadow, Naruto destroys him. You're basically putting current Naruto(who, for his verse, is freaking beastly) vs Goku with only a few lessons in martial arts from his Grandpa Gohan.

[FireShadow]

hmm well people keep saiyan that one is strong than other no matter where i put them. ok new thread idea: when where Naruto and goku ever equal in power? ever.

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by FireShadow

hmm well people keep saiyan...

I find this very unusual to be written by you!!!

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Actually the consensus is the 23 rd loses. The lightning timing is an outlier. Negated by snakeway. Even Raditz can be argued against to be honest.

How is lightning timing an outlier? Combat speed =/= Running Speed =/= Flight Speed this has been established time and time again. Goku's running speed the first go around on Snake Way has him at like barely over 150 mph which is so outrageously inconsistent that should be the outlier even though he probably wasnt running the whole time since he kept getting tired and trying new ways to get across. Not to mention, we've even seen with flight in his early years Goku gets quickly drained when he has to maintain top speed over long distances. For all we know Goku started off his run at a massively hypersonic speed and puckered out after a minute.

In tournaments before Popo's training, Goku has moved so fast that characters who have numerous feats establishing them as hypersonic not only couldnt see him, but cant even react to his actions (e.g. Roshi not realizing Goku had stolen his sunglasses until he reappeared in the center of the ring).

Not to mention there is no general consensus on the speed of lightning I've seen a few studies give it speeds between 14,000 and 60,000 m/s which would be well within Goku's combat speed even back in Dragonball days.


Either way this whole speed argument is irrelevant when Goku has the strength feats to toss Kurama like a rag doll.

Spoiler:

This is Goku with matching Sage Mode Naruto's second best strength feat. And almost everyone knows that Goku's strength comes from his momentum and his focused attacks like punches and kicks. With movement he hits people so hard buildings collapse on top of them.

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

How is lightning timing an outlier? Combat speed =/= Running Speed =/= Flight Speed this has been established time and time again. Goku's running speed the first go around on Snake Way has him at like barely over 150 mph which is so outrageously inconsistent that should be the outlier even though he probably wasnt running the whole time since he kept getting tired and trying new ways to get across. Not to mention, we've even seen with flight in his early years Goku gets quickly drained when he has to maintain top speed over long distances. For all we know Goku started off his run at a massively hypersonic speed and puckered out after a minute.

In tournaments before Popo's training, Goku has moved so fast that characters who have numerous feats establishing them as hypersonic not only couldnt see him, but cant even react to his actions (e.g. Roshi not realizing Goku had stolen his sunglasses until he reappeared in the center of the ring).

Not to mention there is no general consensus on the speed of lightning I've seen a few studies give it speeds between 14,000 and 60,000 m/s which would be well within Goku's combat speed even back in Dragonball days.


Either way this whole speed argument is irrelevant when Goku has the strength feats to toss Kurama like a rag doll.

Spoiler:

This is Goku with matching Sage Mode Naruto's second best strength feat. And almost everyone knows that Goku's strength comes from his momentum and his focused attacks like punches and kicks. With movement he hits people so hard buildings collapse on top of them.

Actually, here is a calculation I made:

http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=125473

[alanis23]

naruto of course

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by FireShadow

hmm well people keep saiyan that one is strong than other no matter where i put them. ok new thread idea: when where Naruto and goku ever equal in power? ever.

Hard to say, RR Army Goku for example was already casually dodging bullets from close-range, and strength is hardly ever a issue.

[Shisko Shi]

Goku... I mean this guy is a beast from the start of the anime. What type of Goku are you talking about?

[321zigzag3]

[WishfulFairie]

@Shisko
We're still not sure...

@Zig
You couldn't resist, could you?

[Bacon]

Which state of biju is naruto in and are we talking goku who fought raditz?

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by Bacon

Which state of biju is naruto in and are we talking goku who fought raditz?

Bijuu mode. The Goku we talk about is 12 years old. So, the one when he met Bulma!!!

[Bacon]

Like full fledged 9 tails?

[Shisko Shi]

That harldy seems fair a kid still learning against a demon fox user that can make bijju bombs like crazy I am sure.

[ILIKEPIE]

just met bulma wow no kamehameha, no flying nimbus, and his only ranged attack is the power pole. Naruto wins, but Goku might have a chance under the full moon.

[Bacon]

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

That harldy seems fair a kid still learning against a demon fox user that can make bijju bombs like crazy I am sure.

Ehh well in all fairness, goku can probably stomp naruto at late dragonball or at most, post king kai training.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by Ultimate combatant

Actually, here is a calculation I made:

http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=125473

Ugh I don't take physics again til next year please no more kinematics.

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

How is lightning timing an outlier? Combat speed =/= Running Speed =/= Flight Speed this has been established time and time again. Goku's running speed the first go around on Snake Way has him at like barely over 150 mph which is so outrageously inconsistent that should be the outlier even though he probably wasnt running the whole time since he kept getting tired and trying new ways to get across. Not to mention, we've even seen with flight in his early years Goku gets quickly drained when he has to maintain top speed over long distances. For all we know Goku started off his run at a massively hypersonic speed and puckered out after a minute.

Yeah no lightning moves 200000 mph plus to react to it Goku has to have a reaction levels in that range. There is nothing listed in the story in general that supports that type of reaction at that pint in the story. Not unless you count moonbusting which would go into another outlier. It has nothing to dith his stamina it has to do with the fact the speed is outrageously inconsistent. Which shouldn't be surprising considering db is outlier and super inconsistent in general.

In tournaments before Popo's training, Goku has moved so fast that characters who have numerous feats establishing them as hypersonic not only couldnt see him, but cant even react to his actions (e.g. Roshi not realizing Goku had stolen his sunglasses until he reappeared in the center of the ring).

The fastest clocked character in db is Tao he was mach 15 based off his pillar feat. Db part 1 isn't that impressive anymore hst in general has caught up in speed.

Not to mention there is no general consensus on the speed of lightning I've seen a few studies give it speeds between 14,000 and 60,000 m/s which would be well within Goku's combat speed even back in Dragonball days.

General consensus is not a valid arguement. That changes between forums and groups. Also you have to prove it considering it took a much more powerful Piccolo to lap the planet in 30 minutes. Like I said db in general doesn't support that type of speed. In actuallity the type you are talking about can only be powerscaled via super saiyan transformations. Even then it can still be challenged.

Either way this whole speed argument is irrelevant when Goku has the strength feats to toss Kurama like a rag doll.

Spoiler:

This is Goku with matching Sage Mode Naruto's second best strength feat. And almost everyone knows that Goku's strength comes from his momentum and his focused attacks like punches and kicks. With movement he hits people so hard buildings collapse on top of them.

You do know that BM Naruto strength feats is well beyond that Not only that You must have forgot how the corrupted BM mode busted out that huge ct. ch 439 pg6. That is the level strength BM Naruto has at his peak physically. When it comes to energy he has the edge in my opinion. Nobody in db part 1 was spamming mountain busters. The strongest attack was Piccolo's island razer. He put alot of energy into if I remember correctly.

[cnorwood]

Like Dragonball vs whatever verse its either stomp or be stomped. Goku gets stomped until the 23rd budokai, in which case he stomps

[Devils Lawyer]

23 rd can't win his highest tanking threshold was that island razer that is on the energy side. But physically BM Naruto is superior by a good deal. Goku gets smacked by a tail from BM and it is unlikely he would be ok. Db is masked by its high energy output attacks. But on the physical side not that impressive on the physical side. Luffy before the skip would probably run through db until after the saiyan arc if you restrict ki attacks.