Right to bear arms

[FireShadow]

i think it is within our right and evil ppl need to stop interefering with ouir right to have gun.

[Shisko Shi]

[Muffintop]

You already posted that, Shisko.

@Fire Who is evil? Care to give a more in-depth explanation?

[Shisko Shi]

Oh I did? haha

[FireShadow]

Originally Posted by Muffintop

You already posted that, Shisko.

@Fire Who is evil? Care to give a more in-depth explanation?

well it seems people are desparate to take our gun from us when we want to defend outself. i understand that gun can be danger in wrong man hand but it seem like they are preparing some convulation against us is all. why did you give red box in user CPu . you disagree is good enough. that is really not good.

[Shisko Shi]

Here is the thing, we should not need guns, but taking them away will not stop the criminals. But giving teachers a gun is stuiped. IMO

[FireShadow]

well we have right to gun for household protecttion in the case that cop not make it in time. but only good adult should key to the gun case. also agree becuz what if teacher go berserker or do cruel unusla punishment on bad child with gun

[WishfulFairie]

I'm in favor of people having handguns and/or hunting rifles. But in my opinion, no one needs an AK-47. But that's just me. Plus the teachers having guns in schools, scares me. A teacher could just lose it one day, or a student may find the gun [because the teacher was careless one day]. I'd prefer that they get an officer or armed guard to be in schools rather than have armed teachers

[FireShadow]

i agree. handgun good enough or appropate guns for hunting :]

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

my cousin recently got a handgun
He always wears it around his house.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Ninja of Cao

So you claim that murder is the right thing to do?

that depends if it's a criminal trying to kill somebody on the street? No if its a mother blowing the brains out of a guy trying to kidnap her child? Absolutely

Originally Posted by Ninja of Cao

There is no way to justify murder, but criminals will only be vengeanceful if punished harshly.

their absolutely is and criminals can be as vengeful as they want to be if their put down like a rabid animal they can't exactly commit any more violent crimes.

besides punishment for a crime when you're an adult should be horrible the object of punishment at that stage should not rehabilitation it should be making a painful and terrifying example to society of what happens to you if you dare take a life..or break the law in a violent capacity.

minors still at certain points have a chance at being saved, their brains are still developing while Heinleins nuts in that he thinks a public beating is the answer, they should be punished hard but also given every possible means to help them...the idea is to make it known "it's not okay to do this but if you have some kind of legitimate problem we'll do everything we can to help you but you need to be made aware you do not have the right to do this"

Originally Posted by Ninja of Cao

There are psychological reasons behind most crimes, so it should be to mental hospitals and not prisons that we send murderers, rapists and child abusers.

that's lovely "most criminals have mental problems" what a load of nonsense..the mentally ill who commit a crime should be helped

the average prisoner should not be afforded that type of hand waving and justifications

Originally Posted by Ninja of Cao

Psychological treatment is the answer, not prison. Because seriously, what is the point of locking a criminal up for 25 years and then letting him/her out so he/she can commit more crimes? It is better to give criminals the treatment they need to understand that what they did was wrong, why they should not do it again, as well as removing any aggression in their behavior.

i'm gonna come right out and say if you seriously believe this then you don't live on planet earth...

you don't cure an emotionally stable criminal by giving him therapy..there is nothing to cure he does this because he lacks morality..he lacks a conscience.. these are not things you can cure

Originally Posted by Ninja of Cao

If one person punches you and you blow his head off and call it "self-defense", then you are no better than fellow murderers.

yes that would certainly be an abuse of self defense and outright murder..not that this has anything to do with anything said in this thread because the example you cited is so ludicrous and insane it literally has nothing to do with the main points of those in favor of self defense and gun possession

nice try at a redherring thopugh

Originally Posted by Ninja of Cao

There are other ways to defend oneself than killing -

why do I have a feeling you're going to say something incredibly racist and patronizing and elitist right now?

Originally Posted by Ninja of Cao

locking doors and windows at night,

yes because this totally stops a determined criminal

Originally Posted by Ninja of Cao

live close to a police station, or

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...what?! yeah totally dude..every human being in existence has this option totally...what you just said was entirely reasonable and not the oblivious rhetoric of someone with zero real world experience..or any concept about how things work.

pro tip not everybody can afford to live near a police station in the burbs and on the other extreme some police stations are in neighborhoods that are so violent..so dangerous, that the cops themselves are all but useless

Originally Posted by Ninja of Cao

better still: live in a developed country where the risk of being subject to crime is low.

what you just said was so arrogant..so offensive and so elitist sounding I'm genuinely tempted to neg the crap out of you for it..and I hope Jinchuriki and the others come in here and see this and eat you alive for what you just spewed.

"screw you! you live in an impoverished country leave it! Don't create laws to protect yourself! Don't defend your home just flee!! you don't have the right to defend yourself..you are the problem not the criminal you need to leave your country!"

you just implied criminals have more rights than the residents of places east and central Africa, Mexico, parts of Asia and India and hell Europe as well. What you said was so stupid so suggestive of you having zero idea what you are talking about, zero idea of what life is like that I may never take you seriously again.

What the hell is wrong with you? Are you insane? Or are you someone who's lived in privilege and wealth you're entire life and sits in your ivory tower in Northern Europe with no god damn clue what the rest of the world is actually like?

Originally Posted by Ninja of Cao

Murderers and those who kill in self-defense are the same;

No they aren't, this is not only offensive but its absolute nonsense

Originally Posted by Ninja of Cao

people who take the lives of other people. And don't start saying "I have a right to kill in self-defense", because you don't.

that is a natural right of any animal in mortal danger, just because we're high functioning animals doesn't mean we have the right to enact oppressive laws that give more power to criminals than they do victims..

Originally Posted by Ninja of Cao

You have no more right to kill a murderer than he have to kill you, and no matter how a human being acts he is still a human being with human rights.

that's lovely in a situation where someone is going to kill me and the only way for me to save myself to use lethal force..I don't have any right to do that .. so I should lay down and let myself get killed

further more in ninja od Caos messed up hell world I'm morally the villain here because I'm being murdered by a poor misunderstood creature who could be cured of all his evil deeds by a firm scolding and being hugged and given medical treatment... and there should be a law that totally prevents me from defending myself!

or you know..I should totally leave my home country..hoping I can even afford to do that in the first place without making an incredibly dangerous and illegal move to do so...because criminals are such victims of society that you should not be apart of that society if the thought of even remotely defending yourself comes into play!

Originally Posted by Ninja of Cao

No one is more valuable than anyone else, and no one has the right to answer crimes with crimes, or murder with murder. Some may say that self-defense is a good reason to kill, but it really isn't. Murderers also claim to have good reasons for their crimes, most commonly vengeance I believe.

except in any country that doesn't morally bankrupt laws run by dangerously clueless idiots...there is nothing criminal about defending yourself

[Ninja of Cao]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

that depends if it's a criminal trying to kill somebody on the street? No if its a mother blowing the brains out of a guy trying to kidnap her child? Absolutely



their absolutely is and criminals can be as vengeful as they want to be if their put down like a rabid animal they can't exactly commit any more violent crimes.

besides punishment for a crime when you're an adult should be horrible the object of punishment at that stage should not rehabilitation it should be making a painful and terrifying example to society of what happens to you if you dare take a life..or break the law in a violent capacity.

minors still at certain points have a chance at being saved, their brains are still developing while Heinleins nuts in that he thinks a public beating is the answer, they should be punished hard but also given every possible means to help them...the idea is to make it known "it's not okay to do this but if you have some kind of legitimate problem we'll do everything we can to help you but you need to be made aware you do not have the right to do this"



that's lovely "most criminals have mental problems" what a load of nonsense..the mentally ill who commit a crime should be helped

the average prisoner should not be afforded that type of hand waving and justifications




i'm gonna come right out and say if you seriously believe this then you don't live on planet earth...

you don't cure an emotionally stable criminal by giving him therapy..there is nothing to cure he does this because he lacks morality..he lacks a conscience.. these are not things you can cure



yes that would certainly be an abuse of self defense and outright murder..not that this has anything to do with anything said in this thread because the example you cited is so ludicrous and insane it literally has nothing to do with the main points of those in favor of self defense and gun possession

nice try at a redherring thopugh




why do I have a feeling you're going to say something incredibly racist and patronizing and elitist right now?


yes because this totally stops a determined criminal

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...what?! yeah totally dude..every human being in existence has this option totally...what you just said was entirely reasonable and not the oblivious rhetoric of someone with zero real world experience..or any concept about how things work.

pro tip not everybody can afford to live near a police station in the burbs and on the other extreme some police stations are in neighborhoods that are so violent..so dangerous, that the cops themselves are all but useless



what you just said was so arrogant..so offensive and so elitist sounding I'm genuinely tempted to neg the crap out of you for it..and I hope Jinchuriki and the others come in here and see this and eat you alive for what you just spewed.

"screw you! you live in an impoverished country leave it! Don't create laws to protect yourself! Don't defend your home just flee!! you don't have the right to defend yourself..you are the problem not the criminal you need to leave your country!"

you just implied criminals have more rights than the residents of places east and central Africa, Mexico, parts of Asia and India and hell Europe as well. What you said was so stupid so suggestive of you having zero idea what you are talking about, zero idea of what life is like that I may never take you seriously again.

What the hell is wrong with you? Are you insane? Or are you someone who's lived in privilege and wealth you're entire life and sits in your ivory tower in Northern Europe with no god damn clue what the rest of the world is actually like?




No they aren't, this is not only offensive but its absolute nonsense




that is a natural right of any animal in mortal danger, just because we're high functioning animals doesn't mean we have the right to enact oppressive laws that give more power to criminals than they do victims..



that's lovely in a situation where someone is going to kill me and the only way for me to save myself to use lethal force..I don't have any right to do that .. so I should lay down and let myself get killed

further more in ninja od Caos messed up hell world I'm morally the villain here because I'm being murdered by a poor misunderstood creature who could be cured of all his evil deeds by a firm scolding and being hugged and given medical treatment... and there should be a law that totally prevents me from defending myself!

or you know..I should totally leave my home country..hoping I can even afford to do that in the first place without making an incredibly dangerous and illegal move to do so...because criminals are such victims of society that you should not be apart of that society if the thought of even remotely defending yourself comes into play!



except in any country that doesn't morally bankrupt laws run by dangerously clueless idiots...there is nothing criminal about defending yourself

I am not even going to try to reply to all sections of your post, and besides that I find numerous of your comments offensive and threatening.

If you say that people should have guns to defend themselves, then explain why in the United States (a country where civilians may have guns for self-defense), an average of 17,000 people are murdered every year. Meanwhile, in Norway (a country that completely prohibits civilian ownership of guns), an average of 35 people are murdered every year. The difference is clear.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. So the problem is clearly in the majority of the populance, and if you want to keep guns in your country then that's fine. But keep guns out of Sweden and Norway, because these nations have proven that there are far less murders without guns in civilian hands. Guns should be restricted to those who will only use them when absolutely necessary, and won't go on a killing spree all of a sudden. Different cultures and different history will of course cause people in different countries to have various opinions in this matter, but it is the principle of democracy that we must respect each others' opinions whether we like them or not.

[setsun]

So let me get this strait cao you say its universally wrong to take a life right?

Well that's have some examples:

Some nut job is going on a real GTA style massacere rampage with high powered weapons and killing innocent civillians including children

It is impossible to get close enough to apprehend him without being mowed down by high velocity rounds fired from his weapons

A member of the swat team has a clear shot to put him down and save many people from being murdered by this man who is killing just for shits and giggles

Is it morally right to put down the mass murderer to prevent the deaths of a large number of people?

Example two:

A a mother and her young children are home alone while their father/husband is working at night to support them, they live out in the country(like on a farm or ranch) the house is set upon by a handful of drug addicts that have verbally stated that they are going to rape and murder her and her children and are in the process of breaking through the door and windows

She has a hand gun and a hunting shotgun. In the house and enough time to load them. She has called 911 but the police will definitely not make it in time before the drug addicts get inside

Is it morally right for her to kill the people who going to harm her and her children?

[Ninja of Cao]

Originally Posted by setsun

So let me get this strait cao you say its universally wrong to take a life right?

Well that's have some examples:

Some nut job is going on a real GTA style massacere rampage with high powered weapons and killing innocent civillians including children

It is impossible to get close enough to apprehend him without being mowed down by high velocity rounds fired from his weapons

A member of the swat team has a clear shot to put him down and save many people from being murdered by this man who is killing just for shits and giggles

Is it morally right to put down the mass murderer to prevent the deaths of a large number of people?

It is never right to take a life, no. Shooting him is the right thing to do for the police, but they should to the best of their ability shoot only to disarm and not to kill. That is how the Swedish police acts in armed situation. Besides that, no such thing has ever happened here: the worst mass murderer in Swedish history killed 4 people and wounded a dozen, and the police didn't need to kill him in order to shoot, disarm and capture him. By surviving he could spend the rest of his life in prison, suffering a long punishment rather than instantly being killed.

But in another country, where the situation you described could realistically happen, then the police should kill him. And I do believe that the Swedish police would too; but as I said that is a very unlikely event.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Most places in America don't use the death penalty too much.

[setsun]

Please also reply to the second example I gave as well

[Ninja of Cao]

Originally Posted by setsun

Example two:

A a mother and her young children are home alone while their father/husband is working at night to support them, they live out in the country(like on a farm or ranch) the house is set upon by a handful of drug addicts that have verbally stated that they are going to rape and murder her and her children and are in the process of breaking through the door and windows

She has a hand gun and a hunting shotgun. In the house and enough time to load them. She has called 911 but the police will definitely not make it in time before the drug addicts get inside

Is it morally right for her to kill the people who going to harm her and her children?

It is necessary (not the same thing as morally right), for her to shoot (not the same thing as killing) the attackers in order to protect herself and her family. But this is also a highly unlikely event, especially for me who lives in a country where mass murders have not happened for decades and drug-related sieges has never happened.

[Shisko Shi]

Here we go a guy walks into a gun shop.

"I am looking for an AR-15."

"WHat do you plan to use them for?"

"Hunting or house protection."

"No... "

"Why"

"You don't use a AR-15 for hunting and it is no better then a pistol."
See if you don't know what it is or dumb reason you don't get it.

[setsun]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobile...n_1186096.html

[Hando Craap]

I don't believe anybody needs an automatic weapon.I don't believe you need multiple weapons.Being a Marine no longer active duty,there was a philosophy when shootig a weapon.
1 shot 1 kill.I have a M1903-A3, 30/06 rifle.It is enough to do the job if I feel my family is threatened.There should be better gun laws that require better backgroud checks.In all of these recent rampages that have been going on, most of these weapons belong to other family members.THEY need to be held accountable. I can honestly say,Yes I suffer from PTSD but I have never wanted to go and shoot innocent people.
All these NRA reps are going all ballistic because all of that money the Automatic Gun Makers have been giving them,is now going to stop if they pass the laws that are need to keep weapons from stupid people.