NaruSaku vs. NaruHina

[PrinceofPeace]

the point is its a Plus for NH cuz Hinata did not lie and a minus for NS cuz Sakura lied

I am just saying Naruto ad Hinata are more alike

from the few panels we have seen she did not do anything

well she is not helping Naruto as much as hinata

then everyone is slacking. get ya head in the game

true but its pointless to assume/speculate cuz mine will be the opposite of yours and we would not reach an agreement ya know? Its just your word against mine.

Why would Sakura be considering or paying attentioin to her classmates?? She should be focusing on the battle of Naruto and cheering for him. Naruto did not pay attention to the others reactions and neither did Kakashi. Why would she care of what they think? Their reactions of doubt SHOULD give her more of a reason to cheer LOUDER.
Oh please the sand people had that face for everyone.
She should not have been frowing in the first place. Naruto needed moral spport not another frown.....then why did she look at kakashi then smile again??? You did not comment about that in the latest post yet

so are we done with the chunnin exam thing now??

so your telling me that Sakura's 3 words were more needed and vital and apperciated then Hinata's speech. Your telling me that Sakura's slap was more needed than Hinata's?????
Your tellin me that the Itachi clone was a bigger threat than the Jubbi itself?!?!?!?!

Kishi


1-agreed
2-true... at least I made you lol
3-noooo when did Naruto and Sakura have a moment like that
4-really
5-well a lot would change,agreed
6-i joke
10-why not

nobody supports kibahina

true. Naruto wants her.... but knows to not have her and/or that he cant make her happy

that was off cannon yes?? if not where
Jiryria and Tsuande never happened. Tsuande loved another
it was expaliing why NS would not work
friendship

[koshej]

PoP
Huh???
(Also, you and some others write in HORRIBLE style, where it's nearly impossible to track what is answering what... Just saying.)

[PrinceofPeace]

at least Sag gets me.

Koshej, I am asking you to debat NarutoxSakura4eva
can you do that for me while I debate Sag plz

[Alex storm]

Naruhina!!

[NarutoxSakura4ever]

Nobody said she was or was not. But you led to people believing that only an not sane person would love Saskue still....and Sakura still loves Saskue so.............. Thus Sakura is not sane to you at least.

So, which is it? Nobody or me saying that she wasn't/was sane?

once again you do not know her feelings for him. you are putting yourself in her shoes which is wrong. How about you ask someone who has been in a abusive relationship

In this point in the manga, really NO ONE DOES. Not even you, you're taking pieces of the past and putting it together with present. For all we know, Sakura may have no love interest at all. Well, why don't you put yourself in an abusive relationship. See, what it's like. An abusive relationship has no love, just hate and pain. Sakura would be happy with pain?

ther you go ASSuming again. ALl we know now is that Sakura loves Saskue as crazy as it sounds

And you haven't assumed once in this whole thing? I think Sag has confirmed you have been assuming. No, at this point we don't. Sai's conversation with Naruto about Sakura loving Sasuke was 200 some chapters ago. Right now, we need new confirmation that Sakura loves Sasuke. Because I lack to see her taking any interest or thought in him now. I need present proof, the here and now that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke. Otherwise, I'm not going to believe it.


Not really. It takes two be in a relationship and as you can see, if Sakura still loves Sasuke at this point, there is just her. There is no way Sasuke is (or has) ever going to care about Sakura. He's too wrapped up in himself. Look at what he's done to her. Yeah, you can feel love vibrating from him.

lol that is because YOU repeat yourself a lot wihout using facts.

Hey, that I do. But at least I don't use Sai as a crutch.

Why can you not be like Sag.!?!!?! SHe admits that Sakura loves Saskue and I provided proof. You still have yet to prove that fallen is past tense. IF it was past tense then why would they be shocked??? They all know that Sakura used to love Saskue. I am not not going to use one of the biggest reasons stopping NS. That is just stupid... no offense. THat is like putting a criminal to jail but you are not going to use a fact to get that criminal in jail.
or Sai (who "ships" SasuSaku) to ship NaruHina. That shows lack of... hope and assurance. You absolutely have to have SasuSaku with NaruHina or Sakura looking bad, for NaruHina to even seem genuinely possible.
I have used other facts besides SasuSaku... you know that right. Did you read what I said

Because, I'm not her. XD Proof of the past. Yes. As I had said, I need solid, new proof to be Sakura is still in love with Sasuke in this point in time. Okay? Okay? If you did not read what I said, I said I was wrong about Sai and Naruto's conversation. Learn to read. Huh? I didn't even get what you were saying. Where? I have seen a lot of SasuSaku stuff coming from you. Not NaruHina.

Then there is no point in me debating with you. I will assign Koseji to debate you. I am not going to waste time on a fangurl who will not admit when wrong and does not believes the facts.

Hell, you're the one that started this. I didn't beg to debate with a NaruHina fan that think he knows it all. But that's pretty typical for a NaruHina fan. I think you meant fangirl, seriously, spell properly if you're going to be in this debate business. No one is going to know what you're saying half the time. I try to see outside the lines, I think outside of the box. That won't change about me.

sakura... and aparently Karin as well. After all she still loves him so its not just Sakura

Karin hasn't been through all the crap Sasuke has put her through. So, it would be understandable why KARIN would.

^^huh that last part was confusing. ALl I know is
Saskue no like anybody
Sakura likes Saskue
Naruto liked (but has not confirmed it in a while)likes Sakura (but wants her to be happy ad he does not make her happy so may not go for her)
HInata likes Naruto

I'm saying, nothing in the manga said Sakura did not love Naruto. Actually if you read the latest data book, there are pages about Sakura having feelings for Naruto. But, yes, she's not sure what they are. There is nothing about her feelings for Sasuke. Don't you think Kishimoto would've written something on Sakura and Sasuke's relationship? If there were anything still there between them?
And here's the thing with SasuSaku, Sasuke doesn't care, love, or even wants to be bothered with Sakura. SasuSaku, like I said, has a slim chance of happening. Here you are assuming." Naruto LIKED (but not comfirmed it in a while) Sakura." So, who are you to talk about me assuming?


Listen you are NOT sakura and you do not know how he makes her feel. It was her first love and she is not the only one to be in love with him after he attacked her. YOU are just assuming and you act like this kind of thing never happened before. WIth that I Have defeated you and I know your not worth debating with if your gonna be like this.

And news flash, you're not either. Now, she may or not love him, but I believe she no longer does, but that's just me. You believe she does, but that's your opinion. You really can no longer state Sakura's love for Sasuke is a FACT. Maybe if were all the way when Sai and Naruto's conversation happened it would be a fact. But we're not. We are in 617, almost 618. Even if Sakura does love Sasuke, Sasuke needs to reciprocate those feelings for SasuSaku to even happen. So, what if it was her first love? Sakura is Naruto's first love and you're saying that Naruto's feelings can change. Pretty much what you're saying is that Naruto is allowed to change his feelings, while Sakura cannot. Just so you know, in debates it's allowed to say your thoughts, not everything needs to be facts.

Kosheji, are you okay with dealing with this person??

Oh, you mean the person that was proving NaruHina would happen with Minato, Kushina, Sakura, Sasuke, and Naruto's name? Seriously? You started this argument with me. I didn't beg to start an argument with you.

[koshej]

Nah, I'm not gonna start arguing TEXT-WALLS...
Too troublesome, you know.
Anyways, the little doubts I had about NaruHina happening, are being blown apart by each new chapter.
And since I'm NOT considering Kishi to be a "troll" (not that I ever thought so seriously) - he's definitely making Hinata join Naruto in action, something that Sakura lacks and lacked most of the time.
So - I HAVE my proof already.

[NarutoxSakura4ever]

This bit - he's definitely making Hinata join Naruto in action, something that Sakura lacks and lacked most of the time.
So - I HAVE my proof already.

Here is the thing... Hinata lacks character development, (I'm not saying she's the only one but she does.) Naruto... he pretty much makes up Hinata's WHOLE character. Since this is true, unless somehow it's not, Hinata needed to be around Naruto to gain any character development.

Also, Lee, Shikamaru, Ino, Choji gained development... Kishimoto is using this war to obviously develop characters. Hinata was one of them. I honestly believe the 'NaruHina' moments are actually Hinata development moments. Hinata, has hardly been in the manga so she needs some development. And some fighting time. Sakura, at the moment is not in the manga. But hey, Sakura can't take the spotlight all the time. Plus, the manga is not over and so she can appear at anytime.

[koshej]

So, the fact that Sakura is the ONLY Rookie NOT present in 617 (and one of the few in 616, and was last seen gawking, etc) - means nothing to her faithful fans.
No prob.
Just don't expect ME to think the same way.
Also, "Hinata's development" somehow COINCIDENTS with "Sakura's absence".
Hmm, nah, just "trolling".
Go Chichi!
Speaking of which.
Funny, but Chichi actually reminded Goku of their marriage WHILE FIGHTING him!
And Bulma was... gawking in the stands!
While Goku immediately acknowledged his own obliviousness... and proposed to Chichi!
Go Chichi!!!

[NarutoxSakura4ever]

She is, but she's not only one that has been missing. Where is her and Naruto's teammate Sai? PLUS, Sakura is a medical nin, it's not her job to be out in the front lines. She needs to stay back with the other medical nin.

I don't expect to influence any NaruHina with what I say, or get them convert to NaruSaku. Though there have been NaruHina's that actually did that.

How is that coincidence? I'm not seeing how Sakura's absence has anything to do with anything, as I said, the manga is not over and so she can appear at anytime.

Chichi?

[NarutoxSakura4ever]

Funny, but Chichi actually reminded Goku of their marriage WHILE FIGHTING him!
And Bulma was... gawking in the stands!

Oh, Chichi, from DBZ... Hmm, funny thing about that is Chichi... really reminds me more of... Sakura than Hinata.

[koshej]

Nope.
Bulma is 80% Sakura, Chichi is 80% Hinata - the remaining 20% of both due to different shows.
I've EXPLAINED this parallel before, so not gonna repeat it, but GC+VB is what made my NH+SS surety, plus Kishi is a fan of DB, so he definitely got influenced.
(Heck, Yonbi!)

[NarutoxSakura4ever]

Originally Posted by koshej

Nope.
Bulma is 80% Sakura, Chichi is 80% Hinata - the remaining 20% of both due to different shows.
I've EXPLAINED this parallel before, so not gonna repeat it, but GC+VB is what made my NH+SS surety, plus Kishi is a fan of DB, so he definitely got influenced.
(Heck, Yonbi!)

And HOW is Chichi like Hinata? Can at least explain that? They are obviously unlike and so MANY ways. Bulma.... hmm, I say Chichi and Bulma are similar characters, not completely, but they are similar.

[PrinceofPeace]

depends? She loves Saskue so to you that makes her insane corect? I think she is sane

2 wrong dont make a right. Yes I have assumed. No were as much as you though. So you need to confirm something ever chap? We need to confirm Naruto is a boy or that Saskue is an Uchiha every chap? We need to confirm that Kyubi is still good or that Hinata still loves Naruto evry chp. NO!!! We go by what was last said. So your just going to live in your perfect lil world that Sakua does not love Saskue?!?!? Fine by me.
But heres fod or thought

Spoiler:

By that lgoic please bring up the last chapter where Nauto said that he loved/like Sakura. That was a long time ago wasn't. his feelings may have changed

Believe what you want. Assume what you wish. But the logic your using is flawed....no offense

all i said is that there is hope

idk why I am being blamed for using the main thing against your argument you would do the same thing but you cant cuz NH does not have a big hold like that.

I already gave NH reasons already in my previous postings. And please
Show me the last NS moment. Prove that Naruto still loves Sakura or vice versa. I want RECENT proof please. Just like you want recent proof.
Recent SS is when Sakura thought of Saskue

then keep assuming... most NS people do to make up for lack of facts and moments.

Saskue put her though more crap and Sakura has seen more of good than bad from Saskue. Bassically they are both in the I LOVE SASKUE EVEN THOUGH HE TRIED TO KILL ME CLUB


I don't really do databooks. Idk where to get them. Anyway Sakura's feelings are feelings of friendship

We cant depend on instant updates on emotions. Afterall there has not been a NS moment in AGES!!! yet you still believe in it

[NarutoxSakura4ever]

depends? She loves Saskue so to you that makes her insane corect? I think she is sane

Depends? No, doesn't make me think that. I find it a LITTLE crazy, but I wouldn't find Sakura insane.


2 wrong dont make a right. Yes I have assumed. No were as much as you though. So you need to confirm something ever chap? We need to confirm Naruto is a boy or that Saskue is an Uchiha every chap? We need to confirm that Kyubi is still good or that Hinata still loves Naruto evry chp. NO!!! We go by what was last said. So your just going to live in your perfect lil world that Sakua does not love Saskue?!?!? Fine by me.
But heres fod or thought

Right! Funny, you're making it seem like it is okay for you. No were? WHERE, no where. Well, I don't know, I haven't read every one of your posts. No, I'm saying that, I'm just wanting present proof. I don't want proof in every chapter, I don't want that at all. I just don't want to hear the Sai said Sakura loves Sasuke. I want to see Sakura, from her own mouth, say she loves Sasuke. These are Sakura's feelings not Sai's, Naruto's, Kakashi's, or yours. I want to see something or read something in the PRESENT chapters that says Sakura is still in love with Sasuke. The Sai thing... just isn't cutting it for me because I know things can change. Feelings can change.

Believe what you want. Assume what you wish. But the logic your using is flawed....no offense

And you do the same.

all i said is that there is hope

Are you serious? There is no hope for SasuSaku. I'm sorry, but there is slim to none chance this will happen in the end.

idk why I am being blamed for using the main thing against your argument you would do the same thing but you cant cuz NH does not have a big hold like that.

Well, I was commenting on Sag and then you popped out of no where and put your two cents in. Huh? I did not understand a word. And honestly I try to avoid you when you're on. Not because I'm intimidated, you can ask anyone who knows me, it's rare when I'm intimidated, but it's because you always want to be right. You don't think outside the box, or look in between the lines.

I already gave NH reasons already in my previous postings. And please
Show me the last NS moment. Prove that Naruto still loves Sakura or vice versa. I want RECENT proof please. Just like you want recent proof.
Recent SS is when Sakura thought of Saskue

Last NS moment was the hug. I'm not going say there was another after that. Prove that Naruto is in love with Hinata and it's a done deal. I never said Sakura loved Naruto. But what I'm getting from the data book, I'm understand that Sakura is beginning to feel something towards Naruto. PLUS look at Naruto's nindo, he never goes back on his word. So what does that say? Naruto is going to continue to love Sakura, no matter what. Plus, Naruto is still trying to fulfill his promise he made for Sakura. Proof? Last page of 617, he and Sasuke appear and clearly he's thinking about bringing Sasuke back still. He still loves Sakura and wants her to be happy.
Oh, what about Sai and his proof of Sakura loving Sasuke? Where did that all go? If you look at Sakura's expression when she thinks of Sasuke, it's not a happy one. She's not thinking, 'I love Sasuke, I will bring him back and we will have a lovey dovey relationship together.' or blushing or anything, like that. This lacks proof.

then keep assuming... most NS people do to make up for lack of facts and moments.

HAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Are you serious? NaruHina lacks, moments, facts, development, conversation, love (on Naruto's part) and interaction. Are you serious?

Saskue put her though more crap and Sakura has seen more of good than bad from Saskue. Bassically they are both in the I LOVE SASKUE EVEN THOUGH HE TRIED TO KILL ME CLUB

.... -Facepalm-


I don't really do databooks. Idk where to get them. Anyway Sakura's feelings are feelings of friendship

Haha, you should, some good information. OH, assuming! Assuming! Assssssuuuuummmmiiiing! But that's okay for you right? Just as long as I don't assume?

We cant depend on instant updates on emotions. Afterall there has not been a NS moment in AGES!!! yet you still believe in it

I don't believe in NS just because of the moments, I believe it because of the bond, the relationship Naruto and Sakura have together. That is the foundation of NaruSaku that NaruHina lacks tremendously.

[PrinceofPeace]

Agreed

Tobi told of the history of uchiha and what he said was true. He was not mascara but his words and stry were true. We have nothing to deny this fact if what sai said. Sai has never been wrong about emotions. You have no prof that things changed


Your opinion without facts. If there was no hoe ten neither would like each other

Anyone can do that but it's kinda silly too since everyone's views differ. It can't be proven


Can't prove Mario's love but you can not prove what sai said was false


Which is why you lack facts right?

Where am I assuming. Not as much as you though

Which is why I believe in NH for the moments

[NarutoxSakura4ever]

Agreed

WHAT? You're agreeing wow... That's just incredible.

Tobi told of the history of uchiha and what he said was true. He was not mascara but his words and stry were true. We have nothing to deny this fact if what sai said. Sai has never been wrong about emotions. You have no prof that things changed

Now, what does that have to do with me wanting present proof of Sakura's feelings? That may be true about Sai, but he hasn't really been around Sakura since he claimed he loved Sasuke. No, wait! He's reading her mind from afar!


Your opinion without facts. If there was no hoe ten neither would like each other

????

Anyone can do that but it's kinda silly too since everyone's views differ. It can't be proven

What can't be proven?

Can't prove Mario's love but you can not prove what sai said was false

Oh here's Sai again... and Mario shows his love towards Peach. How did Mario even get involved in this????


Which is why you lack facts right?

Lack facts NaruSaku you mean? I think I've done a NaruSaku fact thing before. You just weren't paying attention.

Where am I assuming. Not as much as you though

That Sakura's feelings that she beginning to feel toward Naruto are just friendly ones. Really, if you think about it, how could be feeling friendly feelings towards Naruto, when... they are already friends? Haha, that's pretty childish don't you think, 'Well, you're assuming more than me!'

Which is why I believe in NH for the moments

Which there has been two whole, (one more meaningful than the other) NaruHina moments in the entire series. Hinata's confession and the hand holding. Quite a lot to believe in.

[koshej]

OK, the (ah so hopefully) LAST time...
Main specifics of these four character comparisons.
Naruto = Goku: Main guy; never giving up; goofy; oblivious to romance; Kishi openly said he based Naruto off Goku a lot.
Sasuke = Vegeta: Main guy's rival-friend-enemy (any order or all at once); a survivor of a clan/race massacre; seeks revenge and trains for it; accepted power boost from a bad guy but later betrayed him (Oro=Babidi, a lot).
Sakura = Bulma: Initially main heroine (not anymore in DBZ); officially smart; a weak fighter; offensive and abusive female; loud mouth; loves the "bad guy" above despite his evilness and shortcomings.
Hinata = Chichi: Secondary female character; either already canonically married to the main guy (Chichi) or very implied to do so in the future (Hinata, and I mean it); a princess; polite and shy (young Chichi is); a decent fighter (in DB, in DBZ any non-alien is nothing); met and fell in love with the main guy in childhood (I think that Kid Goku ALSO saved Chichi in some situation); comes to claim her man at a world-importance fight arc (Piccolo at Tenkaichi, and I predict NaruHina after Tobidara's defeat); the main guy is oblivious to her feelings but accepts them when she presses him (Naruto is slowly gravitating that way, seen in recent chapters).
Technically, NOT exact comparison, obviously due to separate series.
But, hey, the SIMILARITIES are striking.
Heck, Hinata even looks like Chichi a lot (though Sakura doesn't look like Bulma, unless you count UNNATURAL hair per se).
Anyways, point made and repeated.
The rest is your stubbornness.

OH!
And to knock off the claim that Naru=>Saku has no parallel in Goku=>Bulma.
Sure, but, ehem, WHO did Goku first see... without... ehem... you know...

[NarutoxSakura4ever]

Wow... Couldn't you have broken that up? I almost went cross eyed...

What got to me is how... you said Hinata and Chichi looked the same. XD It was an interesting feat.

While some of this may be correct, let me remind you, Kishimoto is not copying DBZ to the letter. I mean, he's got his own imagination you know? :/

Chichi is really nothing like Hinata. Hinata is shy, quiet, soft spoken, just the total opposite of Chichi.

Chichi is WAY more similar to Sakura than Hinata. Chichi is loud, somewhat abusive, and puts Goku into check. Which is what Sakura does with Naruto. Unless you've been watching a whole different version of DBZ I don't know about.

Well, maybe should stop using that to support NaruHina, and actually support them with um, well, facts and proof they are going to happen in the actual Naruto manga, not another manga.

[koshej]

Um, I'm speaking about the DB Chichi, not the DBZ one.
That one was even slightly blushing when interacting with Goku, and she was pretty nice (she smacked him unintentionally, not to HIT him away).
And yeah, not EXACT copies - but the major points are still there, for ALL FOUR of them.
Actually, more important thing is how Goku and Chichi MARRIED (a secondary girl from nowhere comes and suddenly marries the main guy - the main debunker to NaruSakus claiming "Sakura is the MAIN, so she gets the MAIN"), not so much their personalities.

As of READING - you're the one to speak about CLEAR and READABLE posts, yeah right...

[NarutoxSakura4ever]

Originally Posted by koshej

Um, I'm speaking about the DB Chichi, not the DBZ one.
That one was even slightly blushing when interacting with Goku, and she was pretty nice (she smacked him unintentionally, not to HIT him away).
And yeah, not EXACT copies - but the major points are still there, for ALL FOUR of them.
As of READING - you're the one to speak about CLEAR and READABLE posts, yeah right...

Well, why not DBZ, also? I mean, DB goes into DBZ.

Huh? What are you saying there?

Um, okay. I guess so?

Huh? Again.