Most tragic naruto character childhood?

[InnerSakura]

No.

And yes part of Gaara's life was coming back to life. But you cant compare that to Kimi's bacause Kimi didnt come back. Except for when he was revived by edo tensei. But we didnt even get to see him much. He didnt even say anything when he was revived. So apparently there was nothing else in his life that needed to be resolved before his death.

[PrinceofPeace]

Kimmi was being controlled he was not allowed to say much

ALl he knew is that Oro chakra/feeling was different and it was good to see Naruto again.

The point is that Garra is happy now and Kiimmi was never turghfully happy

[InnerSakura]

He was happy. And his life wasnt worse than Gaara's and he was useful and he did have a purpose. And so therefor, he was happy. This is why:

He said that Orochimaru gave his life meaning. (I already told you this, I know) Partly due to the fact that a part of him would live on in Orochimaru's heart. Which is true. Because Orochimaru has a part of his DNA inside the curse mark. Thats why he was able to come out of Anko's curse mark and also out of Sasuke's curse mark. So since Kimimaro had the curse mark, he would still have a part of Orochimaru at all times. He even said that during his conversation with Orochimaru before he fought the sound four. And you cant deny that he was pleased to serve Orochimaru. I believe it gave him happiness. And even now, Orochimaru has Kimimaro's DNA. And Kabuto even summoned him during the fight with Sasuke and Itachi. Kimimaro is not useless to Orochimaru, even now. And even if Kabuto was the one to summon him, Kabuto also has a piece of Orochimaru inside of him. So therefor, you might as well say Orochimaru summoned him. Because Kabuto really isnt Kabuto anymore. He's Kabuchimaru. lol.

Oh yes, and I watched the episodes about Kimimaro and the sound four again, and I realized something. I told you before that Kimimaro had comrades to help him while Gaara had to do stuff all alone. Yes, Kimimaro's comrades were not technically his friends, but they helped him grow stronger. Thats more than Gaara had. He had to leave his comrades and join the regular troops. Everyone despised him and he had to do stuff all on his own. Atleast Kimi's comrades, no matter if they hated him or not, were able to fight by his side and he grew stronger. Yes, his illness took him at the end, but that doesnt change the fact that while Kimimaro was a part of the sound five he felt needed even more by Orochimaru. Because him and the other sound ninja were Orochimaru's strongest shinobi. While Gaara, on the other hand didnt really feel like he was needed until he finally made it to Kazekage. But then, even that success was rudely interrupted when the Akatsuki came and abducted him. Yes, he was revived after that. But my point is, both KImi and Gaara had horrible lives. And tragic childhoods. Gaara had the better outcome, but his overall life wasnt any better than Kimi's. Can you agree to that?

My point is that yes, Gaara's life's outcome was better than Kimi's. But he suffered much more setbacks in his life than Kimi. Even when he succeeded at becoming Kazekage, he was set back by the stupid Akatsuki. And now, even after he finally received medicine from his father, he was set back again by Madara. And now he and the other kage's are somewhere mortally wounded. Gaara had the worst life because he's alive. Kimi cant say his life was bad, because he isnt even alive anymore. He is dead, so therefor he can rest in peace. While Gaara has to go through this awful war, and suffer the losses of many of his villagers.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by InnerSakura

He was happy. And his life wasnt worse than Gaara's and he was useful and he did have a purpose. And so therefor, he was happy. This is why:
Garra also had/has a purpose. He is protecting and loving with other people. Garra had tears of joy Kimmmi never had tears of joy. Kimmi showed less emotion and nobody truely cared for Kimmi as much as they do for Garra

He said that Orochimaru gave his life meaning. (I already told you this, I know) Partly due to the fact that a part of him would live on in Orochimaru's heart.
Nothing in Oro's heart lives on in Oro. Saskue nor kimmi is apart of him.
Which is true. Because Orochimaru has a part of his DNA inside the curse mark. Thats why he was able to come out of Anko's curse mark and also out of Sasuke's curse mark. So since Kimimaro had the curse mark, he would still have a part of Orochimaru at all times.
But its useless because he is sick and an edo. So it does not even matter. Garra also had a purpose which was to kill but now he is happy and knows that was wrong so he is onto bigger and better thgns
He even said that during his conversation with Orochimaru before he fought the sound four. And you cant deny that he was pleased to serve Orochimaru.
True.... but that does not change the fact that Oro did not care for him any more and that Kimmi failed to bring Saskue to Oro and taht Kimmi failed to have a good vessel for himself
I believe it gave him happiness.
it did. But kimmi is NOWHERE NEAR as happy as garra. Did kimmi every cry tears of joy. DIDN't think so
And even now, Orochimaru has Kimimaro's DNA.
huh how why??? Does not matter cuz Oro does not want nor need it
And Kabuto even summoned him during the fight with Sasuke and Itachi.
just bercause of his abiltities. Kimmi was strong.
Kimimaro is not useless to Orochimaru, even now.
that is why Oro did not say one word about Kimmi when he was revived
And even if Kabuto was the one to summon him, Kabuto also has a piece of Orochimaru inside of him. So therefor, you might as well say Orochimaru summoned him.
lol NO! That is like saying ORo battled Itachi/Saskue and Oro used edo tensei. NO WAY. Just because Kabuto had oro dna does not mean he is ORO. Oro is with saskue. That was all kabuto and his details. That is like saying Tayuya,jiryrobo,kidmaor,kimmiaro,Oro,Sakuon/ukon, and kabuto did edo tensi
Because Kabuto really isnt Kabuto anymore. He's Kabuchimaru. lol.
so you are going to ignore the sound 4????

Oh yes, and I watched the episodes about Kimimaro and the sound four again, and I realized something. I told you before that Kimimaro had comrades to help him while Gaara had to do stuff all alone. Yes, Kimimaro's comrades were not technically his friends, but they helped him grow stronger.
kimi wanted love not power
Thats more than Gaara had.
that is like saying Garra had lee or the assiasins to make him strongeer
He had to leave his comrades and join the regular troops.
so the troops helped him. ANd you say comrades like they cared about Kimmi. They would have prefered if he died.
Everyone despised him and he had to do stuff all on his own.
cuz he was inspired by Naruto
Atleast Kimi's comrades, no matter if they hated him or not, were able to fight by his side and he grew stronger.
all off-cannon you are making it up
Yes, his illness took him at the end, but that doesnt change the fact that while Kimimaro was a part of the sound five he felt needed even more by Orochimaru.
the sound 4 would prefer it to stay that way
Because him and the other sound ninja were Orochimaru's strongest shinobi. While Gaara, on the other hand didnt really feel like he was needed until he finally made it to Kazekage.
see when he became kazekage and after his life was way better
But then, even that success was rudely interrupted when the Akatsuki came and abducted him. Yes, he was revived after that. But my point is, both KImi and Gaara had horrible lives.
true. But his people helped Garra. They did not let Garra fight all alone. They tried to prevent it from happening while Nobody cared when Kimmi died
And tragic childhoods.
true
Gaara had the better outcome, but his overall life wasnt any better than Kimi's. Can you agree to that?
that makes no sesne. If he had the better outcome then he had the better life. Garra is tottally happy now and it looks like he has no more issues so it will only get better

My point is that yes, Gaara's life's outcome was better than Kimi's. But he suffered much more setbacks in his life than Kimi.
but Garra gained so much more
Even when he succeeded at becoming Kazekage, he was set back by the stupid Akatsuki.
no even during the akasuki the sand people fought to save him
And now, even after he finally received medicine from his father, he was set back again by Madara.
not really he was happy to help protect his people
And now he and the other kage's are somewhere mortally wounded. Gaara had the worst life because he's alive. Kimi cant say his life was bad, because he isnt even alive anymore. He is dead, so therefor he can rest in peace. While Gaara has to go through this awful war, and suffer the losses of many of his villagers.

But Kimmi was stolen from his peaceful slumber to be an edo. Kimmi did not like it at all.

Plus Garra is helping his loved ones. Its just like kimmi being in a war. He is happy to do it for the people he loves

Just because Kimmi had a purpose does not mean his life was better. Especially when he did not COMPLETELy fullfill that purpose

[InnerSakura]

Still more points I can argue with you on.

For 1: Orochimaru does possess Kimi's DNA. How do you think Kabuto summoned him? Because during the time Kimi was around Orochimaru they got his DNA. I suppose they obtained it from the numerous blood tests that they did on him trying to find a cure for his illness.

and 2: When Gaara died, there was people who didnt even want him to be retrieved. The council talked about him like trash. (And I hate them)
They refused to let any of their shinobi go out and search for Gaara. Instead they stuck them all on some stupid border patrol. The ninja that were at his side when he awoke had arrived too late. If it hadnt been for Chiyo, the ONLY person from the sand that actually helped retrieve Gaara, he would have died.
And you are also making references to the anime when you say that the villagers helped Gaara fight Deidara. No they didnt. He had to do it all by himself. The villagers just stood there and watched in the manga. In the anime they fired arrows, but not until it was too late and Gaara had already passed out. Baki could have sent the orders to the other sand shinobi to protect Gaara, but he was too busy worrying about erecting a barrier around the village to protect it. As if Gaara wasnt capable of protecting it himself. None of them had any faith in Gaara's abilities. Except a few of the younger villagers who were cheering for him.

As if that wasnt bad enough, Baki even told Kankuro that they needed to come up with a contingency plan in case Shukaku emerged. He had no faith in Gaara the whole time he was fighting Deidara and thought he would lose control. Kankuro was the only one who knew Gaara wouldnt hurt any villagers by unleashing shukaku. And do you even know what a contingency plan is? If Gaara wouldve lost control and turned into Shukaku, they most likely would have attacked him. And we all know that nobody in the sand village were ever able to stop Shukaku's rampages except the fourth Kazekage. Without him there, they probably would have called in the sealing team and sealed Shukaku back inside the tea pot. The result: it would have killed Gaara.

And even after Gaara had Shukaku removed, he has been disrespected so many times. During the meeting with the five shadows, he was interrupted numerous times. And Mifune even had the nerve to say to him that he didnt have much pull with other lands, and his title of Kazekage was inadequate. Onoki was the one who gave Gaara the most trouble, constantly degrading him during the meeting and insulting him on his inability to control Shukaku. But I like Onoki now. Gaara asked him if he had forsaken himself, and finally Onoki realized that despite Gaara's young age, he is very capable as Kazekage.

You cant say that Gaara had it better than Kimi. Like I said, stuff could have really turned around for Kimi if he just would have lived. But he didnt. And thats because Kishi didnt want him to. Gaara had more sad stuff in his life that needed to be resolved. And Kimi didnt. So Kishi ended Kimi's story and continued Gaara's.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by InnerSakura

Still more points I can argue with you on.

For 1: KABUTO!!!! does possess Kimi's DNA. How do you think Kabuto summoned him?
Kabuto summoned him !!! Kabuto has his DNA
Because during the time Kimi was around Orochimaru they got his DNA. I suppose they obtained it from the numerous blood tests that they did on him trying to find a cure for his illness.
kabutomaru is just a joke... you know that right?

and 2: When Gaara died, there was people who didnt even want him to be retrieved.
You miss the point. So what if Garra was not loved by EVERYBODY. So what if few people did not like him. the MAGORITY of his village loved him before he died. The MAGORITY of the village fought to save him during/after the akaskui battle
The council talked about him like trash. (And I hate them)
SO!!!!! Boo-Hoo a few people do not like him. More people liked Garra then they liked Kimmi
They refused to let any of their shinobi go out and search for Gaara. Instead they stuck them all on some stupid border patrol.
They are old farts! Not everyone agreed with him. His sensi and his bro said no and the magority of the sand people went against the elders to look for him
The ninja that were at his side when he awoke had arrived too late.
and do you think Garra cared??? NO!!!! He was just happy people cared and that they were there and taht he was alive
If it hadnt been for Chiyo, the ONLY person from the sand that actually helped retrieve Gaara, he would have died.
Everyone helped in their own way. There was a sand army tryiing to defeat garra. Do you REALLY think Garra holds that against his people?
And you are also making references to the anime when you say that the villagers helped Gaara fight Deidara. No they didnt. He had to do it all by himself. The villagers just stood there and watched in the manga. In the anime they fired arrows, but not until it was too late and Gaara had already passed out.
We were talking about Kiimmi's anime past thought.
Baki could have sent the orders to the other sand shinobi to protect Gaara, but he was too busy worrying about erecting a barrier around the village to protect it. As if Gaara wasnt capable of protecting it himself. None of them had any faith in Gaara's abilities. Except a few of the younger villagers who were cheering for him.
See people did care for him. you say it yourself^^

As if that wasnt bad enough, Baki even told Kankuro that they needed to come up with a contingency plan in case Shukaku emerged. He had no faith in Gaara the whole time he was fighting Deidara and thought he would lose control. Kankuro was the only one who knew Gaara wouldnt hurt any villagers by unleashing shukaku.
At least someone believed in Garra. Nobody believed in kimmi
And do you even know what a contingency plan is? If Gaara wouldve lost control and turned into Shukaku, they most likely would have attacked him. And we all know that nobody in the sand village were ever able to stop Shukaku's rampages except the fourth Kazekage. Without him there, they probably would have called in the sealing team and sealed Shukaku back inside the tea pot. The result: it would have killed Gaara.
Garra would have wanted it that way. He always wanted what is best for the village. It was game over if the beast was let loose. Ebisu was just planning for the worst.

And even after Gaara had Shukaku removed, he has been disrespected so many times. During the meeting with the five shadows, he was interrupted numerous times.
So bo-ho he was cut off big deal. Garra did not show andy remorse. He proved himself in the end.
And Mifune even had the nerve to say to him that he didnt have much pull with other lands, and his title of Kazekage was inadequate.
Garra was the least experience kage. he was the young blood. the nube. He did not even know his village'ss history. He was inadequate.
Onoki was the one who gave Gaara the most trouble, constantly degrading him during the meeting and insulting him on his inability to control Shukaku. But I like Onoki now. Gaara asked him if he had forsaken himself, and finally Onoki realized that despite Gaara's young age, he is very capable as Kazekage.
Garra proved himself in the end. Plus Mei backed-him up. You make things sound so bad.

You cant say that Gaara had it better than Kimi. Like I said, stuff could have really turned around for Kimi if he just would have lived.
YOU ARE ASSUMING!!!! YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT!!! IT COULD HAVE TURNED WORSE!!!!
But he didnt. And thats because Kishi didnt want him to. Gaara had more sad stuff in his life that needed to be resolved. And Kimi didnt. So Kishi ended Kimi's story and continued Gaara's.

Do I need to bring up the list again

[Spectual]

Too much to read :/

[InnerSakura]

Maybe you shouldnt read it. lol. Its getting confusing. :/

I dont make it sound so bad, I'm just stating facts. Overall, Gaara has to carry the stress of protecting an entire village. And now they are all getting killed in the war. Atleast Kimi only had to protect Oro. Gaara has to protect everybody. Kimi never had that kind of stress.

And yes I know that Gaara was very happy that his villagers were there beside him. And he is definitely very happy that they cared. But the sad part about it is that under different circumstances, the decisions of the council and all of the people who disliked Gaara could have costed him his life. But thanks to the friends he made, he survived. Gaara had to overcome lots more obstacles than Kimi did to get where he's at in his life today. Therefor, his life is better only because it was worse and he had to fight harder.

[InnerSakura]

Kabuto summoned him !!! Kabuto has his DNA

I know Kabuto has his DNA. But the point is, Oro can use edo tensei, also. And if Kabuto has Kimi's DNA, why do you not think Oro has it too?

You miss the point. So what if Garra was not loved by EVERYBODY. So what if few people did not like him. the MAGORITY of his village loved him before he died. The MAGORITY of the village fought to save him during/after the akaskui battle

Im not missing the point. You're missing my point. My point is that Gaara was detested for a longer period of time than Kimi. People disliked Gaara for a long time. Nobody hated Kimi. And dont even say that the sound four hated him. They didnt despise him like that. They didnt look at Kimi with cold eyes. They served him. They had no other choice. They respected Kimi because they had to. But of course, the villagers respect Gaara now, but they didnt always

Everyone helped in their own way. There was a sand army tryiing to defeat garra. Do you REALLY think Garra holds that against his people?

A sand army? There wasnt a sand army trying to defeat him there were two akatsuki members trying to defeat him.

At least someone believed in Garra. Nobody believed in kimmi

Well atleast Kimi didnt have a whole village full of people who hated him. He was locked up away from his clan. They never even interacted with Kimi. But Gaara had to walk around and deal with people's hateful glares and their harsh words behind his back and also to his face.

Garra would have wanted it that way. He always wanted what is best for the village. It was game over if the beast was let loose. Ebisu was just planning for the worst.

Ebisu? Dont you mean Baki?

YOU ARE ASSUMING!!!! YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT!!! IT COULD HAVE TURNED WORSE!!!!

You are assuming too, though! It could have turned better!

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by InnerSakura

Maybe you shouldnt read it. lol. Its getting confusing. :/

I dont make it sound so bad, I'm just stating facts. Overall, Gaara has to carry the stress of protecting an entire village.
Now your assuming again. Garra ACCEPTED the job of his own free will. Please show me where he said he was stressed out.
And now they are all getting killed in the war.
yes but that is war. He is fighting for the greater good. He is a hero. He accepted this fate. He lived in an imperfect world just like Kimmi
Atleast Kimi only had to protect Oro.
kimmi failed to do just that
Gaara has to protect everybody. Kimi never had that kind of stress.
what stress

And yes I know that Gaara was very happy that his villagers were there beside him. And he is definitely very happy that they cared. But the sad part about it is that under different circumstances, the decisions of the council and all of the people who disliked Gaara could have costed him his life.
You have to put in in their persepectives.
The sand village is one of the weakest village
the last time they tried to find their kazekage the whole village suffered
The role of the kazekage is to protect the people not himself. So they thought of 1,000 people instead of just one
The council did not know Garra as well as Kaknkuro did
Ebisu(their sensi I forget his name) was preparing for the worst. HE did not want to kill Garra in fact he got a team ready to help support him

Please excuse the sand village for being RATIONAL instead of letting their emotions get the better of them
ALso Temari n Kankuro assembled a lot of shinobi to go after Garra. ANd many were fanguriling over him.... KIMI WAS NEVER FANGURL'd OVER
But thanks to the friends he made, he survived. Gaara had to overcome lots more obstacles than Kimi did to get where he's at in his life today. Therefor, his life is better only because it was worse and he had to fight harder.

for someone to conquor more obstacles and be successsful now would make someone's life better not worse

Kimmi did not overcome all of his obstacles.

[FireShadow]

sakura because she gets to no screentimes. haha

[PrinceofPeace]

more than Kimmi

[InnerSakura]

Nope Sasuke even said to Naruto in the final valley that they are both so powerful because they know the pain that solitude brings. Gaara and Kimimaro both know solitude. But the worse predicament you are in, the harder you will fight to get out of it. And Gaara obviously had to fight his whole life. Just like Kimi, but harder. And it made him stronger. Thats the only reason why he made it to Kazekage. His success is proof of how many obstacles he had to overcome. His success still does not conceal the fact that he suffered along the way. More than Kimi did.

[konhamaru23]

Haku , Naruto, Sasuke, Gaara, Kisame Neji(sort of), and also hinata

[PrinceofPeace]

if his success did not overcome the pain than Garra would not be satisfied/happy/content right now... BUT HE IS

Garra has no more obstacles nor emotional trauma. He is complete everything he wants he has

ON THE OTHER HAND

Kimmi still has unfinished business he failed
-He DID NOT overcome his illness
-He DID NOT have someone who truely loved/cared for him
-He DID NOT give Saskue to Oro in time for Saskue to be his vessel
-He DID NOT get to see Juugo again

[InnerSakura]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

for someone to conquor more obstacles and be successsful now would make someone's life better not worse

Kimmi did not overcome all of his obstacles.

He didnt have as many obstacles as Gaara in the first place. This is supposed to be a thread about "who had the worst life/childhood." Not "who had the best future". Obviously Gaara had the best future, but he also had the worst childhood/life.

[PrinceofPeace]

Well Gaar's life is not over and atm he is happier than kimmi ever was. His happiness outmatches his saddness

[InnerSakura]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

if his success did not overcome the pain than Garra would not be satisfied/happy/content right now... BUT HE IS

Garra has no more obstacles nor emotional trauma. He is complete everything he wants he has

ON THE OTHER HAND

Kimmi still has unfinished business he failed
-He DID NOT overcome his illness
-He DID NOT have someone who truely loved/cared for him
-He DID NOT give Saskue to Oro in time for Saskue to be his vessel
-He DID NOT get to see Juugo again

It doesnt matter. Its kind of like what Naruto said about Neji. He may be dead, but his will isnt. Kimi may be dead, but he influenced a lot of people during the course of his life. He may not have been able to see Juugo again, but Juugo was able to overcome his murderous rampages because of Kimi. Kimi made an impact on his life. And even if Sasuke wasnt there in time to be Oro's vessel, Kimi contributed many things to Oro. Even his own DNA. Which Oro and Kabuto could then use to summon him via edo tensei. And Oro is still alive. And Oro meant everything to Kimi. As long as Oro is alive, I'm sure Kimi would be happy.

So lets just say they both had a horrible life and be done with it.

[PrinceofPeace]

Juugo HAS NOT overcome his rampage
-he went cra cra and attacked Sugeietsu not to long ago
-Saskue uses genjtusu to calm him
-he can not help his rampage he collects energy from the world which is his ability

STOP SAYING ORO AND KABUTO!!! IT was Kabutoo and kabuto alone! If your gonna say Kabuto and Oro then you would have to include the sound 5 which is riduiculous.

Kimmi not only wants Oro to be alive he wants saskue to be his vessel which was his goal... which he failed

please stop sayin Kabuto/Oro... IT WAS ONLY KABUTO. That is like saying I hate a piece of Oro's hair so now I am Pop/Oro

[e710]

After the recent Shippuden episode I concur that Gaara's childhood is the saddest in the series. Right now he is not a child though he is a teenage/village leader.