BG Convo #70: Everyone Loves Pies

[Hipster22]

let's move away from the naruto debate and talk about life. What are your guys goal in life?

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

i live a boring life


Just to be able to do things I want.
Stand up for my ideals.
Be happy and be able to smile everyday, even though some days may suck like no other. Help friends in need.
Be truthful and loyal

[Godaime Kazekage]

Ohh boy, that Hinata vs. Sakura thread-I love it and hate it at the same time. It's rare that we get so much activity and debaters for both sides, but at the same time the wanking and name calling is also getting ridiculous on both sides. I think I need to simmer down myself!

[WishfulFairie]

That thing,Godaime, aggravates me. Just seeing it get posted on, murders a bit of my soul

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by CoolerThanIce

naw you aren't the only who thinks so, this forum isn't representative of the entirety of the fiction fandom at all. Most people here are young guys who haven't read a lot, Kishi gets a lot of flack outside this place.
Good to know.

Danzo is a pretty complex and polarizing character in a good way and I think his motivations and agenda and the method he carried his agenda out make him superior to pretty much all his enemies
Thanks for putting that out, now I'm not afraid (I'm not afraid to speak my mind, but it's just that I'm fed up with getting into a dispute everytime that I utter my opinion about him) to admit that I liked this character as well (he's a pretty hated character). Or well not "liked", but I thought that he was pretty well made and interesting.

Ororchimaru was also a very well done antagonist and in my mind better written than nearly all of akatuski.
Well, he is one of my favorite villains after all. I don't get how people can
choose Madara over this guy. Madara is pretty lame in my opinion.

Gaara has to be the one character who evolved the most over the series, grew the most and has had the best character development in Naruto and probably in all the HSt unless I've missed something from one piece
Exactly my point. Not only is he interesting, but he's also very well made and truly has had the best character development just like you said.

and the irony is.. the only reason why Gaara has that title is because Kishi didn't write it, didn't even plan for it, probably isn't happy with it because it makes his precious Uchihas look bad..it happened entirely off panel and the few scenes and actions he takes on panel show him to have become an amazing person
I...am...shocked...

and the moment Kishi realized..he accidentally created someone truly amazing..what did he do? He intentionally tried to ruin the character by making him have Oedipus complex
When that happens, I just sigh and yawn. That man has a tendecy to destroy good characters

Kishi reminds me a lot of the dude who wrote Eregon basically..they have a lot of the same problems.
Well now that you mention it, I kinda see what you mean. And the movie was just a complete disaster. It had nothing to do with the book whatsoever. But to be fair, all movies that are based on books, suck in comparision to the original. I can't believe that I wasted like one and a half hour of my life to go and see that movie (thank god that they didn't make a sequel!)

In conclusion, I would just like to add that Kishi fails to make good female characters. That has got to be one of the things that bothers me the most.

Another person that likes Danzo???? Will you be my friend. :B

[CoolerThanIce]

@Wooster: Sure

[Devroux]

I was his friend first.
*pushes*

[CoolerThanIce]

@Devroux: Hehe, you can never have too many friends. Ever heard of sharing?xD

@Wishful: You're not the only one who dislikes that thread. I mean, it's great that it activates people, but there are much better characters with much better abilities that you can debate about. Either way, that thread has gotten out of control...

[Sagepain]

Not the first time thats happened >.>

This place needs some drama anyways

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

Drama is for the weak.

[Uchiha Sora]

Originally Posted by Kakashi Hatake_Yamato

Drama is for the weak.

Kakashi is for the weak.

Spoiler:

[Noctis Arashi]

Sora knows what's up. *superspeedhighfive*

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

Meh. Too lazy to pull up my other response to that. Was in the last convo or something.

[LilHinataGirl]

Mehhhhhhh
I'm filling out my application =-=

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I think the reason why Wooster and I like Danzo so much is he reminds us of the cold war and the post cold war landscape...men like Danzo were very common in that era- men who fought for an ideal and fought for their country but realized that sometimes you had to use under handed, violent and even duplicitous means including supporting regimes you may personally find despicable (The Salamander's reign) pull favors, make deals with unsavory people and potential terrorists (like Orochimaru) and use sometimes even less than humane methods to stop a problem even if that means internal revolt.

Danzo isn't a good guy, but he was a good commander and he did his duty as dirty as it was to the best of hid abilities knowing the odds of him ever entering the spot light or being thanked or loved for it were slim..

because of guys like that..idealistic heroes are actually a benefit as opposed to a reckless threat...

in short I don't like him as a person but I understand and respect him and honestly can't say I completely disagree with him.

I wont speak for Wooster but I've got a feeling that, that sums up his feelings on the matter too.

As to Eregorn the book was terrible dude

and..also Hipster,lilhinata girl..Dev and Noctis and Daph

goooodddd aaftterrrrnoon!

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

good afternoon

Kinda sunny and rainy

[WishfulFairie]

I don't get a "good afternoon"...? Wow.

jk
Anyway I'm a Shino fan girl
*disappears*

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by CoolerThanIce

In conclusion, I would just like to add that Kishi fails to make good female characters. That has got to be one of the things that bothers me the most.

The guy who writes fairy tail is good with bad ass females.

Erza alone has more metaforical balls then the entire female cast of naruto combined.

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

Ohh boy, that Hinata vs. Sakura thread-I love it and hate it at the same time. It's rare that we get so much activity and debaters for both sides, but at the same time the wanking and name calling is also getting ridiculous on both sides. I think I need to simmer down myself!

Well atleast the naruto has some actual activity now.

Originally Posted by WishfulFairie

That thing,Godaime, aggravates me. Just seeing it get posted on, murders a bit of my soul

Funny someone else created the thread but pop really made it blow up. :P

Originally Posted by Uchiha Sora

Kakashi is for the weak.

Spoiler:

BURN

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

I think the reason why Wooster and I like Danzo so much is he reminds us of the cold war and the post cold war landscape...men like Danzo were very common in that era- men who fought for an ideal and fought for their country but realized that sometimes you had to use under handed, violent and even duplicitous means including supporting regimes you may personally find despicable (The Salamander's reign) pull favors, make deals with unsavory people and potential terrorists (like Orochimaru) and use sometimes even less than humane methods to stop a problem even if that means internal revolt.

Danzo isn't a good guy, but he was a good commander and he did his duty as dirty as it was to the best of hid abilities knowing the odds of him ever entering the spot light or being thanked or loved for it were slim..

because of guys like that..idealistic heroes are actually a benefit as opposed to a reckless threat...

in short I don't like him as a person but I understand and respect him and honestly can't say I completely disagree with him.

I wont speak for Wooster but I've got a feeling that, that sums up his feelings on the matter too.

As to Eregorn the book was terrible dude

and..also Hipster,lilhinata girl..Dev and Noctis and Daph

goooodddd aaftterrrrnoon!

I kinda have a weak spot for those 'Ill be a total jerk if it can protect the things i care for'/Shadow-ey side of the law characters. Danzo , Akainu from one piece etc. Idk i just like them they are a more realistic approach to your fighter of evil/crime.

[setsun]

^meh FT is meh as a series. Rave master was far superior tho you are right about the characters. I mean at least it isn't sexist like naruto makes itself appear

I also agree the true anti-hero and flawed hero archetypes are much more interesting than the goody two shoes I fightz for mah freendz type that's become so pervasive

Also what happened to the above average inteligence yet totally gar heroes? So few people care about them nowadays. I mean seriously ever since dragonball became popular its been nothing but wimps or or over powered retards filling the pages as protagonists

[Shikamaru Nara]

Hello