Is Lucifer really evil?

[Shisko Shi]

Ok, before you hateme calling me a Satanic person relaise this is how I see things and putstudd to gether.

SO the story goes that Lucifer was created as the most Beautiful Angel of all, with jeweals of all kinds around him. He did not agree with God and basicly rebelled, He wanted to be God.

SO I guess What I am saying is, How do we know that Lucifer was bad? What if it was more like Politics? Lucifer that his way was beter, aka a party, and God that or new his is better aka onther party. If so SHouldn't it be more like feel some what bad for Lucifer? IF you met him would you try to change his heart? He can't be all bad, I am sure ther is a reason for what he did, not saying it is right.


OR what is When Lucifer rebelled ( and this I find highly unlikly but) and God actully lost and Lucifer tricked everyone. Or what if Jusues was really Satan tricking people. I don't believe that, but has that thought eve come across anyone? Just like what if I am being decived.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

Actually, in my books I make Lucifer a misunderstood character. I actually believe that Lucifer wasn't originally bad but that something he disagreed with made him flip. I express that through my books by having him disagree with the creation of humanity. Though, that's really just a fictional idea and may not be what really happened or even close.

[Saiyan]

Hell yes

[Souret]

Lucifer is my favorite name.

I'm not religious so I can't judge to well but if he started good and your treating his existence as fact it is more that highly probably he has a good side.

[WishfulFairie]

Spoiler:

Yes and No.
Temptation is one gift we'd like to return. Technically, he was a good angel before. But he wanted to "overthrow" God and such because he thought he was better.....So God kicked him out. [gave him a kingdom called, "Hell" as a parting gift] And in retaliation Lucifer goes after us. (that's just the simpler way of telling the story)
But he punishes the bad guys so...he can't be completely bad....

[Shisko Shi]

@Maik That how I was thinking! lol

@Wishful I don't know, I mean the bible doesn't really explain anything to use about thattime, just very little of it.

[Noctis Arashi]

I believe that he was never originally malevolent in the way people describe him. And that he really isn't either. Is he bad, yes? But I have no way to prove that. God punished him for his ambition, which I don't "agree" with, but I also don't really have an opinion on it. After being condemned to what is literally supposed to be the worst place in the universe because you wanted something more, and thought your boss wasn't satisfactory, would make me a little bitter too. But, don't go quoting me on this because my knowledge on the finer aspects of religion are limited.

[Shisko Shi]

Originally Posted by Rouge Uchiha18

yes he is evil.Witch moron stands up to god?

Well that is like me saying you are bad, becaus eyou sin everyday even after Jeseu died for you. You still sin even after doing it and saying you wont do it again. He isn't perfect.


@Noctic yea that makes sence.

[WishfulFairie]

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

Well that is like me saying you are bad, becaus eyou sin everyday even after Jeseu died for you. You still sin even after doing it and saying you wont do it again. He isn't perfect.

Maybe it's because Adam and Eve weren't around to eat the forbidden fruit that gave us Original Sin yet? I dunno... It's just a thought... Don't take it seriously
I wish, the Bible gave more facts about the story...perhaps it did but when they were getting the Bible all set up and set in stone, that story was part of the many stories they jettisoned.

[Shisko Shi]

Originally Posted by WishfulFairie

Maybe it's because Adam and Eve weren't around to eat the forbidden fruit that gave us Original Sin yet? I dunno... It's just a thought... Don't take it seriously
I wish, the Bible gave more facts about the story...perhaps it did but when they were getting the Bible all set up and set in stone, that story was part of the many stories they jettisoned.

I agree with you a bit, but He didn't give use sin We choose it. I mean don't get me wrong If I saw atalking snake I'd freak out also. But I think God is just testing use. Like wiht Abraham and other and the tree with the fruit. He is seeing our wrongs and to fix it. I mean why else would a guy put a tree their and say don't do it. That is like putting a cookie jar infront of kids with vegitables and saying don't eat it. He is testing us.

[WishfulFairie]

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

I agree with you a bit, but He didn't give use sin We choose it. I mean don't get me wrong If I saw atalking snake I'd freak out also. But I think God is just testing use. Like wiht Abraham and other and the tree with the fruit. He is seeing our wrongs and to fix it. I mean why else would a guy put a tree their and say don't do it. That is like putting a cookie jar infront of kids with vegitables and saying don't eat it. He is testing us.

I agree with you. I was just saying, Lucifer got out of heaven before Adam and Eve bit the fruit. (in response to the sin talk and how he wasn't perfect).

And yes, God did test them with the tree. But if he was using/controlling the snake for that, then why punish it? So, I'm guessing, that's where the snake got portrayed as an agent for Lucifer or something.

[Shisko Shi]

YEs that or God and Lucifer were seeing if we were ready for it or something. Then saw that we didn't listen. Comeon women do you have to eat everything? lol Im jk, but yea it is just mind blowing. I almsot feel bad for Lucifer. I know if he stood in front of me I'd vouch for him and try to change him, what he has done is nothing compared to what we humans have done over the thousands of years.

[WishfulFairie]

A woman's gotta eat.
True, but he's still an angry man....and I don't think you can change a person after millenniums filled with rage and forever growing grudge...Just try not to get manipulated in the process...but don't worry...I'll save you anyway

[BMC1994]

/not an expert.

But according to the story hes bad mmmmmmmkay.

[Shisko Shi]

^ lol well you convined me.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

Ok, before you hateme calling me a Satanic person relaise this is how I see things and putstudd to gether.

SO the story goes that Lucifer was created as the most Beautiful Angel of all, with jeweals of all kinds around him. He did not agree with God and basicly rebelled, He wanted to be God.

SO I guess What I am saying is, How do we know that Lucifer was bad? What if it was more like Politics? Lucifer that his way was beter, aka a party, and God that or new his is better aka onther party. If so SHouldn't it be more like feel some what bad for Lucifer? IF you met him would you try to change his heart? He can't be all bad, I am sure ther is a reason for what he did, not saying it is right.


OR what is When Lucifer rebelled ( and this I find highly unlikly but) and God actully lost and Lucifer tricked everyone. Or what if Jusues was really Satan tricking people. I don't believe that, but has that thought eve come across anyone? Just like what if I am being decived.

Satan: GOODY LITTLE TWO SHOES (REPEAT A LOT)

BANG!!! (God shoots Satan)

"Good....Bad....I'm the God with the gun."




But seriously you may not like this answer but it really comes
to a matter of faith. You could have all sorts of reasons as
to why God is good and Lucifer is bad but if you don't
have faith then those reasons won't matter.

Here's how I see it. You got 3 "options":

There is no God. We die and that's it. Enjoy life while you can.

There is a God who is evil and we are screwed.

There is a God who is good and there is hope.

[JLI2infinity]

LOL

@Shiko Shi

Someone's about to take a journey. Here's what I see...

Gradual Rejection of Christianity--> Shift to Deism --> Shift to Agnostic Deism --> Atheism

I took the journey myself, takes different times for different people. For me it was about three years, although I was in a very religious household (well by modern standards I suppose).

In response to your question, just a funny little piece of trivia. God most likely killed more people in his rage after Jesus's crucifixion than Satan did throughout the whole Bible. Anyways keep asking the tough questions, eventually you'll see that friends, family members, and even church leaders are unable to adequately answer them. That's when you'll start seeking information out on your own.

[Akatsuki_Fighter]

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

Ok, before you hateme calling me a Satanic person relaise this is how I see things and putstudd to gether.

SO the story goes that Lucifer was created as the most Beautiful Angel of all, with jeweals of all kinds around him. He did not agree with God and basicly rebelled, He wanted to be God.

SO I guess What I am saying is, How do we know that Lucifer was bad? What if it was more like Politics? Lucifer that his way was beter, aka a party, and God that or new his is better aka onther party. If so SHouldn't it be more like feel some what bad for Lucifer? IF you met him would you try to change his heart? He can't be all bad, I am sure ther is a reason for what he did, not saying it is right.


OR what is When Lucifer rebelled ( and this I find highly unlikly but) and God actully lost and Lucifer tricked everyone. Or what if Jusues was really Satan tricking people. I don't believe that, but has that thought eve come across anyone? Just like what if I am being decived.

It's natural to want the truth man. Don't sweat it. Lucifer is bad though. If God is who he says he is (and learning about him for this long, I believe he is), then he is love and justice and is perfect. God's rule is by no means unjust and nobody could do his job better than him. He's perfect lol. But despite being God's most beautiful angel in charge of worship, Lucifer lusted for power . Lucifer was also disgusted at God's creation called "mankind" and rebelled. He and his followers were then banished to Earth and sentenced to Hell (when the judgement rolls around). See, Luc always hated humans and he became the embodiment of evil. Just as God is love, Luc is evil. Lucifer is also mentioned many times as a thief, a bloodthirsty lion, ect. All he wants to do to humans is "kill, steal, and destroy." Do I wish there was a happy ending with Luc? Yeah, sure I do, but they are the ultimate enemy and will not relent from evil and from enticing people to be dragged to Hell with them.
So anyway, there was no "political party" type thing, or at least not in the way that God's "party" would have been bested. What about Lucifer tricking us into thinking he lost. That's what you mean, right? Well, it was a good thought, but it just doesn't make sense. I mean, why would he trick us into thinking he's evil and needs to be stopped if he's already on the throne? Or if you meant that God is tricking us into thinking Luc is evil, that makes a little more sense. But still, looks at God's actions, especially in your life if you have a close relationship to him, and you will see love, not evil.
Also about Jesus being Satan or tricking peeps, people have thought of that too. In fact, the Pharisees testified falsely against Jesus that he was using demonic power instead of God's. The problem is that Jesus was healing people, performing righteous miracles, and exercising (not P90X) demons. Jesus countered by saying something along the lines of: "A house divided cannot stand. What could the devil stand to gain if Satan casts out Satan?" Again, you could say that maybe the writings in the Bible are tricking us, but again I say look at Jesus' actions. Jesus also said something like (sorry, don't have these memorized): "Determine a person's fruit (aka honesty) by their actions rather than words." Meaning, people can say a lot, but true nature is revealed the more you observe their actions. Hope I helped. Like I said before, I'll answer any other questions you may have.

[Akatsuki_Fighter]

Originally Posted by WishfulFairie

I agree with you. I was just saying, Lucifer got out of heaven before Adam and Eve bit the fruit. (in response to the sin talk and how he wasn't perfect).

And yes, God did test them with the tree. But if he was using/controlling the snake for that, then why punish it? So, I'm guessing, that's where the snake got portrayed as an agent for Lucifer or something.

As long as people don't mistake "test" for "tempt" lol. God wasn't trying to use reverse psychology there. As for the snake, I heard that some people think the snake was influenced by Lucifer or was him, but I don't really know...

[NaruSaku200]

Explain to me how bloody Lucifer got into the Eden Garden first. Did God have him come or he sneaked in there? Both seem bizarre to me. Besides, I think the original sin is about the end of childhood and starting to grow up, Lucifer and God or whomever had nothing to do with it, it was a choice made by mankind. And can it be that choosing to understand our world and what is right or wrong be an actual sin? Because if it was really the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, it simply makes no sense that we are encouraged to grow up and understand by the Bible as well. God and the Bible are two disconnected things I believe. The first is about belief and faith and the other is a human invention or such even if it does have I think, some divine influence, but it was mostly written by sinners. And yes, it's not like a support the guy or anything, but I just think Lucifer has a different point of view. Good and evil are relative, and one does not exist without the other. It's all a matter of perspective.