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Old 01-07-2013, 11:07 PM   #1
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Ok it has been proven that things have been taken out of the bible, But and this is a big but. Why does evryone say 'Oh God is a wonderful person and wouldn't hurt a fly' He friken destroid the old Isreal for defing him.

Ok I am a Christian, but some things confuse me. I am really about to go to church stand up and say things like that. People don't seems to see the Bible the way it is. I know I don't, but nobody explains this in church. Just like the one with out sin be the one to throw the stone. That I think might be judgment. I don't know, but thinks like isreal and why is satan only banished for x amount of years after ruling the world. And why does everyone say christmas is a christian holiday? Fist off, it isn't. Their is no proof what so ever that Jeseus was born on the 25th of dec. Some think it was in Aug.

It has no meaning any more, it is all christmas lights and trees with presents. Why not make it if you are a christain to help the homeless and give away some food or money. I mean do you really need presents? I think anyone not just christians should celibrate this holiday, because it have no meaning to Jesues anymore. Same with easter, what the heck is the rabbite and eggs for?

I don't mean to put down any of this, but could someone explain this?


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Ok it has been proven that things have been taken out of the bible, But and this is a big but. Why does evryone say 'Oh God is a wonderful person and wouldn't hurt a fly' He friken destroid the old Isreal for defing him.

Ok I am a Christian, but some things confuse me. I am really about to go to church stand up and say things like that. People don't seems to see the Bible the way it is. I know I don't, but nobody explains this in church. Just like the one with out sin be the one to throw the stone. That I think might be judgment. I don't know, but thinks like isreal and why is satan only banished for x amount of years after ruling the world. And why does everyone say christmas is a christian holiday? Fist off, it isn't. Their is no proof what so ever that Jeseus was born on the 25th of dec. Some think it was in Aug.

It has no meaning any more, it is all christmas lights and trees with presents. Why not make it if you are a christain to help the homeless and give away some food or money. I mean do you really need presents? I think anyone not just christians should celibrate this holiday, because it have no meaning to Jesues anymore. Same with easter, what the heck is the rabbite and eggs for?

I don't mean to put down any of this, but could someone explain this?


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Simple. Because a God that "wouldn't hurt a fly" sells better than
the one in the Bible. People don't really read the Bible and really
it's a bit of a challenge to do so. Then some who do read it see
the passages of a God that appears shall we say not so all-loving
and they are repulsed by it. Which when you think about it is a
pretty natural reaction. The bible gives it to you raw.
It does not sugar coat.

What honest Christian ISN'T confused by some things?

There's a lot of worthless "churches" out there.

Interesting questions I'll have to get back to you on those.

True Christmas and Easter are in no way Christian holidays.
But I don't think it's really problematic that people celebrate
them as so.
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The bible isn't actually an acurate representation of original christianity. Christianity became far more militaristic after Constintine made it the official religion of the Roman empire. People like Augustine created theodicies involving original since a Constintine scrapped large abounts of the orriginal scripts in order to give the church more control. Not all of the bible will make sence due to the not only the culling of some of the books but also because whenever something is written by many different people you will not get complete consistency. Also it is hard for people to tell which parts of the bible are parables and which are suposedly based on fact.

As far as Christmas is concerned the 25th of December was chosen as Christians wanted to celebrate the birth of Jesus but did not know the real date. For this reason they chose and already important date.
Christmas has become far more of a cultural event rather than a relegious one there are still families who treat christmas as a time for giving to those who need it, but modern society has turned it into something for all people not just Christians, hence many atheists celebrate it anyway.

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Oh it is fine, It helps alot.
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Ok it has been proven that things have been taken out of the bible, But and this is a big but. Why does evryone say 'Oh God is a wonderful person and wouldn't hurt a fly' He friken destroid the old Isreal for defing him.
From what I've been taught and what I think....is that, yeah, God was an angry person...but he, in a way, "grew" from that and Jesus was here to tell us that...he isn't a meanie anymore...

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Ok I am a Christian, but some things confuse me. I am really about to go to church stand up and say things like that. People don't seems to see the Bible the way it is. I know I don't, but nobody explains this in church. Just like the one with out sin be the one to throw the stone. That I think might be judgment. I don't know, but thinks like isreal and why is satan only banished for x amount of years after ruling the world. And why does everyone say christmas is a christian holiday? Fist off, it isn't. Their is no proof what so ever that Jeseus was born on the 25th of dec. Some think it was in Aug
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The he who is without sin cast the first stone, means since we are all born with sin, we have no right to judge others. And true..no one knows what date Jesus was born in. But if people want to celebrate it as a Christian holiday, they can.

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Well of course it has no meaning anymore. How else are business's supposed to make their money? Also, a majority of people are materialistic and everyone would like to get something. So it's not really a surprise this happened. But not everyone [completely] forgot that Jesus is the reason for the season (my school so funny). And people do give out money or do charitable work. Plus schools do drives (be it food/toys).
For the Easter thing...I never understood it. I guess the eggs symboliz new life like Jesus' ressurrection...(?)
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Meh. It's fine. Plus you have to remember, most of the things written down in the Bible is exaggerated and it contains both myths and legends. That's just how things were written back then. So it's best to take things with a pinch of salt. Also, there's no real way to explain to this. Everyone has their own interpretation of the Bible.
There are some things I may or may not agree with in the teachings, but others do.

And also whatever Souret said
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Every religion has their "God" every god to every religion is differential compared to other religions.
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Well, I have read Revelations alot and I saw smething that is like what!

It says after all the destruction Satan or Lucifer will be sealed for X amount of years, I cna't remember I think 10k but why only so many years?
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Well, I have read Revelations alot and I saw smething that is like what!

It says after all the destruction Satan or Lucifer will be sealed for X amount of years, I cna't remember I think 10k but why only so many years?
I heard it's because that after he gets out (I guess God wanted to give him one more chance at being good?), he tries to take over one more time. God wins again and then the world finally ends for sure, no more tries and we're judged one last time. Because Heaven and Hell can only so many souls
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I don't view the bible as a book of laws. I see it as a book of motivational stories.

There are a lot of 'laws' God created that you would find ludicrous if someone tried to make them so now.

Take for instance God telling Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac. Who the hell would go with the idea of sacrificing their son if someone just told them to?

Or how about when God told Samson to never cut his hair or he would lose his power. Who would actually think that losing hair would cause one to lose power?

What about the story of Lot's wife? She was told not to turn back and look at Sodom and Gomorrah or she would be turned to salt. Who would honestly believe that from anyone?

It's not a book of laws, it's a book of stories about God testing his believer's faith. Judas denied Jesus and failed his test. Adam and Eve partook of the fruit and failed their test. Noah passed his test by building an arc.

These are all instances of God giving laws to individuals to test their faith. They are not instances of God making concrete laws that everyone has to follow.
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I heard it's because that after he gets out (I guess God wanted to give him one more chance at being good?), he tries to take over one more time. God wins again and then the world finally ends for sure, no more tries and we're judged one last time. Because Heaven and Hell can only so many souls
If you notice it never actually says God releases Satan from his prison.

I think instead...it will be people who commit this deed.

Of course God will allow it. Why? Free Will.

If God does not allow Satan to be released then it is the equivalent
of forced worship. However I do not think God will open up Satan's
cage and let him loose as then that would be equivalent to God
deceiving the people. Instead the people decide they rather
worship Satan then God and God allows it. Satan and his
followers do battle with God and lose.
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I'd just like to think that people just enjoy to twist religion and holy texts to match their beliefs and try to use it out of context as proof of their convictions' accuracy.
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I'd just like to think that people just enjoy to twist religion and holy texts to match their beliefs and try to use it out of context as proof of their convictions' accuracy.
This is sadly true.
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Not particularly but I think to degree we're all guilty of it in some way.

What I mean is I think we all do things we know are wrong
and we try to rationalize them away and think it's okay to do.

For instance we might lie to avoid trouble.
We will tell ourselves it was ok to lie
even if we know it is actually not.


It's a small example and you may think
what's the big deal of one measly lie?
Well actually...nothing really.

However the problem arises when we make such things
a habit. When we go from lying to becoming a liar.
Eventually it will cause us problems and sometimes
it will lead to worse things.

Many people think that being a good moral person is as simple
as not murdering others. But I don't think it works like that.
I don't think a good person suddenly decides to murder someone.
There is a process that first occurs and there is a build up of
moral compromise that eventually leads to murder.

Now don't get the wrong idea and think I'm saying if
you lie then you'll grow up to be a murderer.
But realize every time you do wrong and rationalize
it as being ok you open doors to doing more wrong.

The more doors you open the harder it becomes to draw the line.
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In my case i disregard the bible because it does not need to change your life for example if your family is catholic so what? it doesn't mean you have to be. you can be whatever you believe in. or even be a more logical person.
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Ok it has been proven that things have been taken out of the bible, But and this is a big but. Why does evryone say 'Oh God is a wonderful person and wouldn't hurt a fly' He friken destroid the old Isreal for defing him.

Ok I am a Christian, but some things confuse me. I am really about to go to church stand up and say things like that. People don't seems to see the Bible the way it is. I know I don't, but nobody explains this in church. Just like the one with out sin be the one to throw the stone. That I think might be judgment. I don't know, but thinks like isreal and why is satan only banished for x amount of years after ruling the world. And why does everyone say christmas is a christian holiday? Fist off, it isn't. Their is no proof what so ever that Jeseus was born on the 25th of dec. Some think it was in Aug.

It has no meaning any more, it is all christmas lights and trees with presents. Why not make it if you are a christain to help the homeless and give away some food or money. I mean do you really need presents? I think anyone not just christians should celibrate this holiday, because it have no meaning to Jesues anymore. Same with easter, what the heck is the rabbite and eggs for?

I don't mean to put down any of this, but could someone explain this?


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Awesome post, dude. Yeah it does really bother me too that people disregard or sugarcoat certain things in the Bible. Actually, those disregards are what made me think all Christians are hypocrites and I wanted nothing to do with them. But I learned that there are still legitimate people out there who ask and answer similar questions, both for themselves and others. There are many false or misled churches out there, but there are still good Bible-teaching churches out there.
As for things being removed from the Bible, I'm not so sure about that. I personally haven't researched the Bible's history of translation and I plan to, but my pastor who I trust tells me that there has been nothing added or subtracted to the Bible; that everything is the same all the way to the original Hebrew manuscripts. Unless a particular church "doctored" the Bible? Either way, i'd like to hear more on this. (And I'm not one to believe something because "it is written," I just trust the Bible as the truth after learning about it so long.)
And you're right about it being bull that "God wouldn't hurt a fly." God IS love and He doesn't want to hurt anyone, sure, but He's not afraid to dish out tough love or punishment if it is deserved. I was reading Proverbs the other day, and Solomon explained it very well: "My child, don't reject the Lord's discipline, and don't be upset when he corrects you. For the Lord corrects those he loves, just as a father corrects a child in whom he delights" (3: 11-12). And there are people who blame God for suffering in this world, or they at least question why. God doesn't do this and he doesn't wish suffering on us; it's Satan who does this. People also ask why God doesn't stop it. The answer is that God's waiting for the right opportunity when the last person that chooses him does so. I will admit, though, that I don't know much about the Old Testament and that I feel like God was more harsh back then (although my heart has been put as to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.) But my opinion may change the more I learn about it.
Also, with Satan being banished for limited time rather than eternity, I dunno who told ya that but you can rest assured that it will be eternity. Some people think it's unfair that people will be in Hell for eternity, but when you think about it, Hell wasn't made for us, it was made for Satan, and his prison is needs to be an eternal one. Anything less would be unfair because then we'd have to be subject to his evil again.
Finally, I'd have to disagree and say that Christmas IS a Christian holiday. You're right that nobody really knows in what season Jesus was born and that the holiday has become so secularized that most people have forgotten the meaning of the holiday, but think about it this way: Christmas is just a celebration of the birth of Jesus; it doesn't matter when it happened. And even though people have made the holiday what it's not, it doesn't mean YOU have to do it that way too (same for Easter). As for me, I like the whole Santa and Easter Bunny stuff, but I just don't want it to take the spotlight, ya know? And celebrate in the way you think glorifies God. Think you should do charity or missions work instead of presents? Go ahead. Want to get the family gifts to show your appreciation? Go ahead. Both? Go ahead. It's all in the Christian spirit! (Sorry for the long post. Hope I helped and I'll be to answer more if you have anything.)
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Ok it has been proven that things have been taken out of the bible, But and this is a big but. Why does evryone say 'Oh God is a wonderful person and wouldn't hurt a fly' He friken destroid the old Isreal for defing him.
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God definitely is wonderful. The fact that he allows rebellious humans to continue to exist and provides for us whether we deserve it or not is proof of that.


"that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous." (Matthew 5:45)



That part about him not hurting a fly is not based upon what the Bible says. As you stated above, he executed the ancient Israelites for defying him. Why do you find that objectionable?


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