Kabuto vs Akasuki

[BMC1994]

@Prince
Hes is clearly visible while ghost human path touches him and its over.

As far as i know human path never tried to save anyone (being part of a villains movest and all)

Yes but we are talking about the guy called getting decapitated 'stinging'.
Hakus Ice dome is not fullt sealed it has openings between the mirror. The earth dome i know is only large enough for 2-3 persons.(kitsuchis) and akatsuki could still blast it away. Why would he make an antidote for a poison thats not supposed to be damaging
him?

Mist gets absorbed or shinra tensei'd away so everything is clearly visible.

With the reaction feats of akatsuki it isnt if it wasnt when lee/gai/kakashi could clearly see them through the mist.

[CoolerThanIce]

Kabuto can summon the seven mist swordsman
That would take out he enemies eye sight
That's not gonna help much against Pain and Itachi. Rinnegan and Sharingan can see right through it, just saying.

Kabuto has 12hrs 45min 83 sec of prep
Why so specific?

Which side is Kisame on? The Akatsuki or the Seven Ninja Swordsmen?

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

@Prince
Hes is clearly visible while ghost human path touches him and its over.

As far as i know human path never tried to save anyone (being part of a villains movest and all)
I thought the kages and Madara could not see Dan?? BUt I agree the paths and other sensors of Akasuki

Yes but we are talking about the guy called getting decapitated 'stinging'.
true but Hidan can not effect the Edos much either.

Hakus Ice dome is not fullt sealed it has openings between the mirror. The earth dome i know is only large enough for 2-3 persons.(kitsuchis) and akatsuki could still blast it away.
ture

Why would he make an antidote for a poison thats not supposed to be damaging
him?
are you talking about Hanzo?? Well he does have an antidote and Kabuto can make one with prep and his healing/stamina abilities

Mist gets absorbed or shinra tensei'd away so everything is clearly visible.

With the reaction feats of akatsuki it isnt if it wasnt when lee/gai/kakashi could clearly see them through the mist
Agreed overall mist is useless
.

But how would the akasuki fight against the other plan that nobody countered?

Spoiler:

With prep/knowledge kabuto could make enough Salamander posion/anidtoes

Kabuto can prep holes underneath the ground and make protective barriers or anditodes

During Prep Hanzo can summon his salmander and it would go underground then release the toxins from underground up to the enemies who would not react in time

tHAT IS the only tatic I have atm

@Cool
-lol what do ya think?

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

But how would the akasuki fight against the other plan that nobody countered?

Spoiler:

With prep/knowledge kabuto could make enough Salamander posion/anidtoes

Kabuto can prep holes underneath the ground and make protective barriers or anditodes

During Prep Hanzo can summon his salmander and it would go underground then release the toxins from underground up to the enemies who would not react in time

tHAT IS the only tatic I have atm

@Cool
-lol what do ya think?

Hmmm-apparently you missed what I wrote before. Itachi has sharingan which can see chakra so he'll notice the salamander lying in wait. Sasori is also very knowledgeable about poisons and possibly knows about Hanzo's abilities since he's also a famous poison user and Chiyo fought him multiple times (even creating an antidote to his poison) and she raised Sasori. Akatsuki's reactions also aren't slow. They are intelligent and cautious (well a number of them are) so they aren't just going to walk into a trap unprepared-dear god, this is giving me flashbacks to Hokages vs. Hashirama where you maintained the Hokage would just walk into Hashirama's pre-set Advent of Flowering Trees technique.

And again, it takes specific ingredients to make an antidote and careful mixing which Kabuto wont have the time to find and prepare-certainly not for all of his ET's as well.

[BMC1994]

as far as i know gas is still affected by gravity and thus pain will shinra tensei it away.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

Hmmm-apparently you missed what I wrote before. Itachi has sharingan which can see chakra so he'll notice the salamander lying in wait.
That is only when Itachi is looking at something right??? I mean if Saskue did not look in Dediara's direction (or the direction of the bomb) he would not notice the bomb had chakra in it right. So with that logic (if mine is correct) Itachi would be able to see the Salmander IF! Itachi looks down towards the ground right?
Sasori is also very knowledgeable about poisons and possibly knows about Hanzo's abilities since he's also a famous poison user and Chiyo fought him multiple times (even creating an antidote to his poison) and she raised Sasori.
Sasori does not have prep to make an anditote
Akatsuki's reactions also aren't slow.
AGreed
They are intelligent and cautious (well a number of them are) so they aren't just going to walk into a trap unprepared-dear god, this is giving me flashbacks to Hokages vs. Hashirama where you maintained the Hokage would just walk into Hashirama's pre-set Advent of Flowering Trees technique.
so they would walk into the cave? Doesnt all fights start with the ninja appearing in the arena off the bat?

And again, it takes specific ingredients to make an antidote and careful mixing which Kabuto wont have the time to find and prepare-certainly not for all of his ET's as well.
12 hours is not enough time to make an anditote??

with Prep Kabuto can get use Kimmi's and Tayuya's powers to use Demonic flute!
Audio genjutsu is the best kind of genjutsu IMO and with senjutsu it will only be even stronger

with the prep Kabuto and Mangetsu can also gain enough water to become boss like!!

[Uchiha Sora]

With prep/knowledge kabuto could make enough Salamander posion/anidtoes

Kabuto can prep holes underneath the ground and make protective barriers or anditodes

During Prep Hanzo can summon his salmander and it would go underground then release the toxins from underground up to the enemies who would not react in time

Pretty sure that breaks the rules of prep.

Prep time: Neither side receives any notable prep time before the starting bell. Neither side may take any offensive or defensive actions before the starting bell. Planning is allowed and powers that are automatic or 'always on' can be up, but actions such as setting up forcefields, taking flight, or consciously activating powers is not. For example, Batman cannot shove together an 'anti-Avengers spray' before the fight.

[PrinceofPeace]

Ight well the flute is the only option ... then im done

Spoiler:

Wow prep really sucks then

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Ight well the flute is the only option ... then im done

Spoiler:

Wow prep really sucks then

Drown out sound waves with wind style or stop with water dome. Itachi will recognize the technique too and can quickly break out others with Tsukuyomi should the other counters fail.

[PrinceofPeace]

whose wind style??? Also this is SENJUTSU the wind style would have to be VERY powerful to drown out the sound like that.

Also I doubt Itachi can tell Kisame about the jutsu in time for Kisame to react before they caught in an Instant genjutsu. Plus the edos will not stand there as Itachi uses a lot of chakra breaking out his foes.

and once they are broken out of with genjutsu they get back in... right?

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

whose wind style??? Also this is SENJUTSU the wind style would have to be VERY powerful to drown out the sound like that.

Also I doubt Itachi can tell Kisame about the jutsu in time for Kisame to react before they caught in an Instant genjutsu. Plus the edos will not stand there as Itachi uses a lot of chakra breaking out his foes.

and once they are broken out of with genjutsu they get back in... right?

Senjutsu doesn't change the physics of how sound waves work-it only deals with the strength of the genjutsu (which by the way isn't even confirmed for Snake Sage Mode, just widely accepted). Kakuzu and Nagato can both use wind style. Kabuto needs a bit of time to get the melody going anyway and Itachi can break people out in an instant. If Kabuto wants to keep them in the genjutsu after they break out he'd have to stand still and keep playing which makes him an easy target for Ammy, Iron Sand, BT etc.

Sasori may not even be susceptible to genjutsu as he does not have a nervous/sensory system...how the heck did he talk to Sakura and Chiyo with just a "heart" anyway?!?

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

Senjutsu doesn't change the physics of how sound waves work-it only deals with the strength of the genjutsu (which by the way isn't even confirmed for Snake Sage Mode, just widely accepted). Kakuzu and Nagato can both use wind style.
correct but they do not have the knowledge that Itachi does. And by the time Itachi tells them it would be too late. And Nagato's wind ninjutsu is weak
Kabuto needs a bit of time to get the melody going anyway and Itachi can break people out in an instant.
with edo's shielding or blocking the view of Kabuto (with or wihtout mist) it would be hard for Itachi to do so. Itachi can not save all of them and Itachi would be endagered himself
If Kabuto wants to keep them in the genjutsu after they break out he'd have to stand still and keep playing which makes him an easy target for Ammy, Iron Sand, BT etc.
edo's say hello

Sasori may not even be susceptible to genjutsu as he does not have a nervous/sensory system...how the heck did he talk to Sakura and Chiyo with just a "heart" anyway?!?

And the edos would deal with him accordingly or at least keep him busy.
Itachi needed help to break out of the genjutsu as well so who will help him?

[Uchiha Sora]

Still sticking with bansho tennin>Totsuka sword.


I mean Bansho tennin goes off before Kabuto can really do anything.

[PrinceofPeace]

the mist may not be a perfect way to blind the foe but the other kiri ninja (who is not the swordsman) can use frosty mist to blind foes as well.

And chakra concentration to the ground prevents being pulled right??? iirc Tsuande did it but I guess Nagato was not trying

Earth wall or bones in the ground would hold up Being pulled. Plus edos will know to attack quickly and the strongest ones

kabuto can control the area to grab him from being pulled or intercept by summoning snakes

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

And the edos would deal with him accordingly or at least keep him busy.
Itachi needed help to break out of the genjutsu as well so who will help him?

Demonic flute is a melody genjutsu-so multiple notes and a time period are needed to put the enemy under genjutsu. As soon as Itachi hears the beginning of the melody he knows to warn the others or throws a paper bomb at close range to interrupt the melody. You seem to really like to argue around single techniques, (Hidden Mist Jutsu and Demonic Flute here, Advent of Flowering Trees in Hashirama threads, etc.) but to paraphrase Itachi every technique has a weakness and can be countered. Also, if they are caught Itachi doesn't need to save everyone-just one, then it's freeze tag time. Sasori is also possibly immune to the genjutsu. Edos aren't going to stop any of the techniques I mentioned except for Ammy by being a human shield.

About BT: We don't know if the chakra in the feet would even be effective. If it is, Kabuto will still be rooted in one spot and an easy target for other techniques.

[Sir Michael]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

Where in the manga did it say that the Rinnegan evolves from the MS?

Nowhere. It evolves from the EMS.

Sharingan > MS > EMS > Rinnegan

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

Demonic flute is a melody genjutsu-so multiple notes and a time period are needed to put the enemy under genjutsu. As soon as Itachi hears the beginning of the melody he knows to warn the others or throws a paper bomb at close range to interrupt the melody.
The effects of the genjutsu are instant (it took about 2 small panels for the sound to travel and take effect. The genjutsu was so fast Itachi could not even finish his sentece. So how can he warn his friends in time???)

Spoiler:

You seem to really like to argue around single techniques, (Hidden Mist Jutsu and Demonic Flute here, Advent of Flowering Trees in Hashirama threads, etc.) but to paraphrase Itachi every technique has a weakness and can be countered.

Also, if they are caught Itachi doesn't need to save everyone-just one, then it's freeze tag time.
At best he could save one... but who??
Sasori is also possibly immune to the genjutsu. Edos aren't going to stop any of the techniques I mentioned except for Ammy by being a human shield.

About BT: We don't know if the chakra in the feet would even be effective. If it is, Kabuto will still be rooted in one spot and an easy target for other techniques.
the other edos can be shields or counter

So far the battle would go like this IMO

-Kimmi makes the bone flute and in this time Kabuto pulls out Tayuya
-Kimmi gives the flute to Kabuto and he plays his genjutsu which is just about instant

Itachi was not able to finish a sentense so Idk if he can get out a kunai and a paperbomb and attach it and then throw it to set off a MINOR explosion that would not stop the effect of the sounds that much.

As far as we know Chakra concentration is stopping From being pulled in by Nagato

The edos should be able to take a hit for Kabuto or at least counter while the Kabuto is activating genjutsu

Sasori should be the only one to surive the genjutsu. Now its just an edo gang and kabuto vs Sasori. the edos and Kabuot would not let Sasori release everyone easily. Even if Itachi could free someone who would he save???

then it would be Sasori and (insert character name here) vs Kabuto w/ edos

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

So far the battle would go like this IMO

-Kimmi makes the bone flute and in this time Kabuto pulls out Tayuya
-Kimmi gives the flute to Kabuto and he plays his genjutsu which is just about instant

Itachi was not able to finish a sentense so Idk if he can get out a kunai and a paperbomb and attach it and then throw it to set off a MINOR explosion that would not stop the effect of the sounds that much.

As far as we know Chakra concentration is stopping From being pulled in by Nagato

The edos should be able to take a hit for Kabuto or at least counter while the Kabuto is activating genjutsu

Sasori should be the only one to surive the genjutsu. Now its just an edo gang and kabuto vs Sasori. the edos and Kabuot would not let Sasori release everyone easily. Even if Itachi could free someone who would he save???

then it would be Sasori and (insert character name here) vs Kabuto w/ edos

Apparently you disregarded what I had wrote before. It's a melody genjutsu so the victim has to hear multiple notes before it goes into full effect-do you understand what a melody is? It's not one sound and they're down. You can't use panels as an accurate measure of time-it just shows what action is happening. One panel to show that Tayuya is playing the flute and then another to show that the sound is travelling. Unless you want Kishi to put a panel for each finger movement Tayuya is making when she plays the flute. Some of the "music" had already passed by Itachi while he was talking to Sasuke. Shikamaru was able to quickly recognize what was going on, throw his kunai and make multiple other movements before he was immobilized. The Akatsuki are also "huddled together" according to your OP so they're pretty much all out of the genjutsu at the same time after Itachi puts someone in Tsukuyomi because all they need to do is touch each other to get out.

-Paper bombs cause explosions which impair hearing and would certainly interrupt the pattern of sounds (melody) that the people are hearing at the time.

-Kabuto can't make the bone flute and pull out Tayuya at the same time-he can only have one clone body coming from his stomach at the same time. He wouldn't need to do this anyway as he could have just prepped a flute before battle anyway though-don't make things harder on yourself.

-Again, we do NOT know that chakra concentration stops being pulled in by Nagato and Edos can't shield large scale AOE like Iron Sand, Water Dome, ST, or Kakuzu's elemental attacks.

[PrinceofPeace]

*Admits defeat*

[Ninja of Cao]

I think that Pain can solo the entire Edo army, to be honest... huge Shinra Tensei or Planetary Devastation is all that's necessary for Kabuto's army to be annihilated. Itachi is proven to be superior to Kabuto and with all the Akatsuki at his back, this will be an easy fight.

Final conclusion: Akatsuki victory.