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Old 01-04-2013, 06:40 PM   #21
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The mist swordsman would blind all of the enemies perfectly... besides Nagato

when the other edos were in the mist they fought perfectly as if they could see in the manga/anime

Itachi and the Human path could try to seal them but that would be hard when one can not see their foe

Itachi is a HUGE threat so Don could solo him from under or behind

Torune can simply touch Hidan and Hidan would be out since Hidan does not have to worry about Hidan's weapon

Manda II takes out Zetsu or fodder paths

Idk how the enemies would counter Salamander posion in such a small place

Kimmi n Pakura/Gari can take out some of Kakazu hearts

the mist ninja would easily sneak up on others

Plus Kabuto is hard to kill and has multiple ninjutsu
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It says so around chapter 580. Still Akatsuki Could seal away Kabuto in the Gedo statue to try and stop him.
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In that small compact area? Kabuto can go underground and is fast enough to dodge plus in this mist it is hard to see
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It says so around chapter 580. Still Akatsuki Could seal away Kabuto in the Gedo statue to try and stop him.
Statements aren't valid evidence. Otherwise I could say the Sharingan evolves from the Byakugan.
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I mean Pain ccould just ST everything away, mist included

Also Tobi is included in the akatsuki...
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The mist swordsman would blind all of the enemies perfectly... besides Nagato

Itachi and the Human path could try to seal them but that would be hard when one can not see their foe
Preta path could absorb the jutsu over time and Zabuza is the only one who can use the jutsu, so as soon as they take him out it's done. Alternatively, Kakuzu and Nagato blow away the mist with a large scale combination wind attack, Kisame puts Kabuto's side in Water Dome. Nagato links with the Gedo Maza and uses Soul Dragon taking out most if not all of the Edos right away. The Akatsuki have lots of counters.

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Itachi is a HUGE threat so Don could solo him from under or behind
So I guess Itachi just sits there and lets himself get hit Somehow I don't think it would be that easy with all of the Akatsuki looking out for each other. We also have no confirmation that the jutsu can't be resisted as it's only been used on an unconscious person in the manga.

It's always hard to judge battles with large numbers of combatants, because there are endless amounts of jutsu combinations and strategies that could be used. The Akatsuki have been working together for years though so they would have the advantage in coordination and teamwork.

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Hahaha,That is true as Madara awakened the rinnegan right before he "died"
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^Mega said Sharingan came from byakugan, not Sharingan evolves into rinnegan.
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It says so around chapter 580. Still Akatsuki Could seal away Kabuto in the Gedo statue to try and stop him.
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To be honest i didn't even know there was a page before this one. I was referring to this

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Statements aren't valid evidence. Otherwise I could say the Sharingan evolves from the Byakugan.
because of that I never read the real OP either. whoops.

Anyway, what stops Bansho Tennin? I don't think SM naruto could even resist it.
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Preta path could absorb the jutsu over timeand Zabuza is the only one who can use the jutsu, so as soon as they take him out it's done.
Easier said then done. Zabuza can keep the mist active while it is being absorbed. Plus it would be hard to find Zabuza
Alternatively, Kakuzu and Nagato blow away the mist with a large scale combination wind attack,
before or after Dan goes into his spirit form to attack him ?
Kisame puts Kabuto's side in Water Dome.
what good does that do?? if anything it helps Kabuto cuz Kabuto=Sugeitsu!!! THEY BOTH ARE WATER
Nagato links with the Gedo Maza and uses Soul Dragon taking out most if not all of the Edos right away.
Not in that small cramped space
The Akatsuki have lots of counters.



So I guess Itachi just sits there and lets himself get hit
Dan is intanglibe so how can his teammates help?
Somehow I don't think it would be that easy with all of the Akatsuki looking out for each other.
Dan is also invisible in spirit form so how would they find him
We also have no confirmation that the jutsu can't be resisted as it's only been used on an unconscious person in the manga.
Dan does not need to take over the body. He can strike them with a kunai. Dan is intangible and invisible so it will be harder to fight. Nobody has been able to resisit him and the others do not have feats to fight back

It's always hard to judge battles with large numbers of combatants, because there are endless amounts of jutsu combinations and strategies that could be used. The Akatsuki have been working together for years though so they would have the advantage in coordination and teamwork.
Yet Kabuto has the advantage in knowledge, prep, mutliple abilities, and a zombie army
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we could always try listing stratgies

The akasuki enter the mist
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The mist swordsman would blind all of the enemies perfectly... besides Nagato

when the other edos were in the mist they fought perfectly as if they could see in the manga/anime

Itachi and the Human path could try to seal them but that would be hard when one can not see their foe

Itachi is a HUGE threat so Don could solo him from under or behind

Torune can simply touch Hidan and Hidan would be out since Hidan does not have to worry about Hidan's weapon

Manda II takes out Zetsu or fodder paths

Idk how the enemies would counter Salamander posion in such a small place

Kimmi n Pakura/Gari can take out some of Kakazu hearts

the mist ninja would easily sneak up on others

Plus Kabuto is hard to kill and has multiple ninjutsu
Hypotectically human path could remove dan from itachi as he can absorb/remove souls. He will be nothing but a walking buffet for human path.

Hidan is immortal i doubt poison bugs would do much.

Manda II doesnt even fit in a cave -.-

Salamander posion in such a small space would also affect kabuto and edos.(seeing as hanzo was immobilized by his own poison. Also pain could just shinra tensei it away.

Shinra tensei > Soulsteal > pakura , gari and other edo fodder.

Gk pretty much adressed the rest.

Although in the manga both kakashi , Gai and Lee have displayed that its still possible to see enemies in the mist if they are close enough. Anyway mist does not matter as Nagato was a sensor i think. He atleast had his raining technique.

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Statements aren't valid evidence. Otherwise I could say the Sharingan evolves from the Byakugan.
They are if backed up by actual evidence hence madara having the flippin rinnegan. And sharingan was derived (if the translation i read was correct) from the byakugan not evolved.
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Hypotectically human path could remove dan from itachi as he can absorb/remove souls. He will be nothing but a walking buffet for human path.
Dan could attack Human path as well. Due to Rinnegan Human path would be able to see him but Dan has multiple opponents to attack and Human path can not get Dan in time. Dan was fast enough to go to Tsuande almost instantly at rapid speeds. ANd he was able to save Tsuande from Madara. Human path could not save anyone in time

Hidan is immortal i doubt poison bugs would do much.
But Hidan would be suffering in pain right???

Manda II doesnt even fit in a cave -.-
Agreed! Same with Gedo Maze

Salamander posion in such a small space would also affect kabuto and edos.(seeing as hanzo was immobilized by his own poison. Also pain could just shinra tensei it away.
ice dome or Earth Wall blocks posion
Kabuto has enough prep to bulid an anditode especially with his knowledge and prep

Shinra tensei >
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hard to see in mist. Especially when Dan is going for the suprise attack
> pakura , gari and other edo fodder.

Gk pretty much adressed the rest.

Although in the manga both kakashi , Gai and Lee have displayed that its still possible to see enemies in the mist if they are close enough. Anyway mist does not matter as Nagato was a sensor i think. He atleast had his raining technique.
True but in most cases when it is too close it is too late. Using the rain only makes Kabuto and Mangetus stronger and due to rinnegan the paths can already see though the mist
With prep/knowledge kabuto could make enough Salamander posion/anidtoes

Kabuto can prep holes underneath the ground and make protective barriers or anditodes

During Prep Hanzo can summon his salmander and it would go underground then release the toxins from underground up to the enemies who would not react in time

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Hanzo can surrond the field in ice mirrors for her to get ready to attack her foes with.

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Kabuto can get the area moist or very wet for himelf and Hozuki to morph into a huge aqua monsters
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Dan can basicially solo anyone
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Kimmi can get his bones ready and finger bullets at the start
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Well he had both Sharingan and Rinnegan, that's not evolution otherwise Rinnegan would've replaced EMS. He has to switch between the two, so yeah. It's like having Sharingan and Byakugan.

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Anyway, what stops Bansho Tennin? I don't think SM naruto could even resist it.
I remember debating this some time ago and I don't really want to type everything up so I'll just put this here. Credit goes to JL12Infinity btw.

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On top of that Kabuto has more intel than anyone else in the ninja world and he's brilliant, he would figure out Pain's abilities much faster than Pain would figure out his, and he most likely already knew some of Rinnegan's abilities from his research with Edo Tensei and Oro.

Have I made my point.
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@PoP: First off, you really need to stop this Dan solos everyone in the Narutoverse BS. He doesn't have the feats to do what you suggest. The only person he's been shown possessing on panel was Tsunade and she was unconscious when he did it. She didn't make any attempt to resist the possession either for obvious reasons so you can't make the assertion that he can easily possess whoever he wants and they will be at his mercy. There is even a precedence for high level opponents breaking out of possession jutsus easier/faster than others as seen with Shikamaru's shadow bind and Ino's mind transfer. Also, Dan is not invisible in spirit form-where the hell are you getting this? He's sparkly and even had a conversation with Choza. Him saving Tsunade from Madara would be a lot more impressive if it could be gauged against the movement of anything else (Madara did not know he was coming and the Kage were not moving until Madara had already started his attack).

Next, Akatsuki can easily make the space to summon Gedo Maza (ST, Iron Sand), heck, Gedo Maza was halfway underground anyway when Nagato summoned it against Hanzo.
-Water Dome stops most of Kabuto's ET's which was what I was countering.
-12 hrs. is not enough time to make an antidote considering you'd need to find the ingredients and make enough for multiple fighters. The Akatsuki also have a poison specialist who would likely know about Hanzo's tricks (Chiyo fought against Hanzo all the time and she raised Sasori).

@mega: Where are you getting the idea that Madara switches between EMS and Rinnegan? After he activated it against Naruto the EMS hasn't been shown at all and he's been seen using his sharingan techs while Rinnegan is activated.
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@mega: Where are you getting the idea that Madara switches between EMS and Rinnegan? After he activated it against Naruto the EMS hasn't been shown at all and he's been seen using his sharingan techs while Rinnegan is activated.
What Sharingan techs? After he absorbed FRS he dropped a meteor on everyone.
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What Sharingan techs? After he absorbed FRS he dropped a meteor on everyone.
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Just looked back at the chapter. Noted what Muu said. Never mind then.
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Deva uses BT to pull Kabuto in, Kabuto absorbs the stab from the rod and receives no damage thanks to hydrification. Kabuto stabs Deva Path through the chest with his chakra scalpel. Everyone else is screwed. OR while getting pulled in Kabuto uses a water technique to blow Deva Path backwards. OR he uses Muka Tensei and shifts the battlefield in his favor OR he uses White Rage and blinds all the paths at once OR he uses Kidomaru's web to trap Deva Path while he's being pulled in OR he uses Jidanbo's Earth Release to create a wall to jump off of OR Kabuto lets himself get grabbed by Preta Path then sheds his skin while Preta tries to hold him and kills Preta while he scrambles to react OR he uses Kimamaro's finger bullets and fires them at high speeds into Deva's skull during the five second recovery period OR...
First off, all of those things JLi listed require hand signs. They cannot be made during Bansho tennin. SM Naruto couldn't resist it despite his insane strength. Second of all, hydrification won't matter to the totsuka sword.
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