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Old 01-01-2013, 10:26 AM   #21
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Are you stupid? No really, are you?
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You're making a fool out of yourself as it is and I really don't like fools all that much. Because here you are, being a non-committed pig out of sheer vanity. You want to look good, but you don't want to work for it, that's just plain distasteful. You think that by starving your body of nutrients, your body will be happy for you and will change for you like some clingy girlfriend who doesn't want you to leave her. Well guess what, you will not look good. See the thing is, you are what you eat, and now that you've re-employed your mouth to be your new ass, guess what you'll look like? The first thing you'll lose, is muscles. And only after you've lost the tiny amount of muscle you have you'll start to lose fat. And that's when you'll look like some floppy pancake, with folds that weren't supposed to be there but I guess you're just not all that good at cooking. Instead of eating empty calories, you need to eat GOOD calories that help you feel energetic and enable you to go out and RUN for gods sake. What you lack is proteins, and what you could miss are carbs. I'm guessing you're on a pretty high carb diet. Don't get me wrong, you need your carbs, they give your muscles energy, but too much just leaves you hungry and wanting more. that's where the proteins comes in. They leave you feeling satisfied and help you train your muscles! WHILE you're also losing fat due to your supposed exorcise. There's no other way around it unless you're planning on just losing and regaining for years and years until you turn out like that fat whale that hangs out with that honey boo boo child. So if you don't want to put in the effort of lifting a weight or running a block and sacrificing some sweet ass time to go do some boring ass cardio, then you're just going to be miserably chubby.

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Coming from someone who just slept through high school I don't see how it's such a major time consumer as you're making it out to be.
Okay, I totally understand what you two are saying, that I need to put in work for results/sacrifice time, but you see, I honestly do not have the time. On a regular basis during weekdays, I spend about 10-11 hours at school, sometimes more, due to rehearsals/performances, which I can't skip because this is career prep, and then on top of that about 6 hours of homework a night which is incredibly unhealthy but still leaves me with absolutely no time to even do anything. Also, remember I said this was out of curiosity only.

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I used to be obese growing up, and have been personal training people on the side ever since I got out of it, so take this from someone that's been at a worse place than any of you and did a 180 with it -

- The opportunity costs of a strategy like bulimia, compared to more sensible approaches, are in no way worth it. The second you stop, you revert back and get worse, and it has adverse effects on you that cannot be undone. Particularly at an age where you're in a position to grow. Being 13-21 is like being on steroids in the literal sense. It's a Herculean advantage to take if you can appreciate it. I excelled in power lifting and became a giant buff guy largely because I simply started back then when I was on the natural steroids of being young.

If you wanted something that's easy and does not consume time or much attention on your part to pull off, I'd recommend something like Paleo instead. Same or better weight loss effect, no detrimental side effects that will lower your life span. Depending on you, you will likely even get healthier. It doesn't work for any of the reasons people argue it does, but it does hit alot of underlying fundamentals in a way that's easy to pick up and understand. It's also dirt cheap. It's ideal for people that aren't going to get any gym-oriented or special exercise activity, despite the immense benefits that sort of activity will have.
Okay, well I mean I guess if it's ideal for people who don't have the time to do such things (believe me if I had the time I would in a heartbeat get a gym membership), then I guess I will check out this Peleo diet!
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Okay, I totally understand what you two are saying, that I need to put in work for results/sacrifice time, but you see, I honestly do not have the time. On a regular basis during weekdays, I spend about 10-11 hours at school, sometimes more, due to rehearsals/performances, which I can't skip because this is career prep, and then on top of that about 6 hours of homework a night which is incredibly unhealthy but still leaves me with absolutely no time to even do anything. Also, remember I said this was out of curiosity only.



Okay, well I mean I guess if it's ideal for people who don't have the time to do such things (believe me if I had the time I would in a heartbeat get a gym membership), then I guess I will check out this Peleo diet!
then save losing weight until you do have the time/money. Focus on school and health, not on looking slim. Eat healthy and sleep plenty. Don't go 3rd base with your mouth.
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smh....you don't have the time....really? you're a HS student, you have NO IDEA just how much time you have. I am a grad student who does between 9-12 hours of work throughout the day including my work, doing a lecture and grading...so ya! If I CAN FIND TIME...so can you!

Here are your benefits, I am assuming you live at home right? your parents cook your meal! Telling whoever preps dinner that you want to try to eat a little different, and want to be in shape will probably spark a change in your diet. Parents/Guardians will always look to want to help in their dependents success in getting healthy. When they ask "what do you want to eat" tell them primarily vegetables with a small amount of chicken (grilled/boiled! not fried). This will definitely help you in terms of getting started!

Once you get into it a bit more, then you can start eating for your workouts! when YOU are incharge of preparing your meals! though you may want to start helping out, it becomes important to learn how to prep your own meals, and believe it or not, it becomes almost therapeutic in terms of helping you unwind before dinner!

Working out, so you can't use the gym at the school? do you live by or in a neighborhood? walk around the block, listen to music and figure out how far or many times you have to walk to reach about 1 mile! that should be your goal...you want to go at least 5-6 miles/week! doesn't matter how you get there or how long it takes, just as long as you make it! Going faster comes with time and you will know when you are ready. As for weight lifting, save up a few dollars and just buy some free weights or resistance bands (they're really inexpensive). There are alot of at home workout communities that help one and other sort out a workout.

Developing an eating disorder will inevitably do more harm than good, and more than that it will alter your personality. If you go into an eating disorder like starving or bulimia you will likely have a worst personality, its just how things work! you become irritable and angry, and that is just an effect of not eating or taking in proper nutrition. Doing it the right way actually improves your personality and makes you a much more easy going person.

At the end of the day..its not worth it, and making excuses is just hurting yourself. If YOU don't believe you can do it, and make reasons why, instead of finding solutions, you just won't do it. And if you inevitably go down this line of an eating disorder, the damage you will do will be irreparable, both mentally and physically...its hard to come back from it.
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smh....you don't have the time....really? you're a HS student, you have NO IDEA just how much time you have. I am a grad student who does between 9-12 hours of work throughout the day including my work, doing a lecture and grading...so ya! If I CAN FIND TIME...so can you!

Except by HS student, you mean performing arts school student which means on top of my shitton of AP class homework, I have 3-4 hour rehearsals almost on a daily basis besides weekends, which is the time that I do make an effort to go outside with my friends and walk around a lot. But literally besides weekends and breaks I have almost no time to do anything, ever. I don't watch TV, nor do I play video games. Really I only come on here and Facebook while trying to procrastinate doing important essays or practicing. It's not as easy to find time as you think for lots of high school students, especially when they don't go to normal high schools.
But I mean if you know of any 20 minute workouts, I'm all ears.

Here are your benefits, I am assuming you live at home right? your parents cook your meal! Telling whoever preps dinner that you want to try to eat a little different, and want to be in shape will probably spark a change in your diet. Parents/Guardians will always look to want to help in their dependents success in getting healthy. When they ask "what do you want to eat" tell them primarily vegetables with a small amount of chicken (grilled/boiled! not fried). This will definitely help you in terms of getting started!

Except not, my parents are also more fat than I am and their opinion on life is that if it tastes good, they don't care, and that other people don't matter because they're happily married. I mean I don't blame them, but it's very detrimental to my eating habits because they're not going to cook any differently just for me, and there's no question of "What do you want to eat?" it's more of "I'm making this and you eat it or starve." My parents really couldn't care less whether I'm a whale or a stick. Anything that they have to go out of their way for is too much to ask from them. Believe me, I've tried.

Once you get into it a bit more, then you can start eating for your workouts! when YOU are incharge of preparing your meals! though you may want to start helping out, it becomes important to learn how to prep your own meals, and believe it or not, it becomes almost therapeutic in terms of helping you unwind before dinner!

I mean, yeah this is possible, but the whole point is that I have to acquire healthy foods. Like, I could probably learn how to cook these foods, but my parents automatically just make dinner every night and they don't go out and buy anything that they don't want to eat. I would if I could, but the thing is I can't.

Working out, so you can't use the gym at the school? do you live by or in a neighborhood? walk around the block, listen to music and figure out how far or many times you have to walk to reach about 1 mile! that should be your goal...you want to go at least 5-6 miles/week! doesn't matter how you get there or how long it takes, just as long as you make it! Going faster comes with time and you will know when you are ready. As for weight lifting, save up a few dollars and just buy some free weights or resistance bands (they're really inexpensive). There are alot of at home workout communities that help one and other sort out a workout.

You see yes, I would do this if I was able to, but not every school as a gym yanno. I mean our school does, but it's reserved for sports team workouts and whatnot because obviously they have priority over other students but I guess I can see myself investing in putting aside 20 minutes to take a walk or jog.

Developing an eating disorder will inevitably do more harm than good, and more than that it will alter your personality. If you go into an eating disorder like starving or bulimia you will likely have a worst personality, its just how things work! you become irritable and angry, and that is just an effect of not eating or taking in proper nutrition. Doing it the right way actually improves your personality and makes you a much more easy going person.

I do see this happening, and I really wasn't genuinely considering throwing up, I was just curious about what other people had to say.

At the end of the day..its not worth it, and making excuses is just hurting yourself. If YOU don't believe you can do it, and make reasons why, instead of finding solutions, you just won't do it. And if you inevitably go down this line of an eating disorder, the damage you will do will be irreparable, both mentally and physically...its hard to come back from it.

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It doesn't work because the body will absorb what it needs before you throw up.

Might as well let the intestines do their work. On the other hand, anorexia works gangbusters.
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You see yes, I would do this if I was able to, but not every school as a gym yanno. I mean our school does, but it's reserved for sports team workouts and whatnot because obviously they have priority over other students but I guess I can see myself investing in putting aside 20 minutes to take a walk or jog.
With 20 minutes you wont get like bodybuilder results or something but 20 minutes like two times a week is plenty of exercise to lose weight. There are like thousands of 5-20 minute home exercises on youtube.
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Did you even read my post? As a fellow theatre student, WITH A JOB, AND on a sports team, AND in AP classes, AND applying for scholarships there is still time to do crunches and jog with my dogs. If you have 5 minutes you're not doing anything, do a few jumping jacks. And I know you do have free time because you spent 7 hours last night drunk and webcamming. Also, all that drinking is countless empty calories, by the way.
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On the dietary part, I can am surprised and then not so much. Nutrition is hard sometimes for people, and everyone has their own take on it. Being in that environment can make it hard to pick up good eating habits. I got the theater part, and while it still adds, you have to look for any time you can, even if that cuts into your fun time a little (eventually this becomes enjoyable).

I will go back and look at different places, but there are definitely workouts structred even around 10 min/day, but you have to do them every day! I think you can get in shape and look the way you want, personally I think you got the desire and you have the drive! The eating part will be tricky because really, diet is 75% of the formula. With that said, I guess here you can only do so much, so try and pick/choose what you eat when you eat. Sometimes when portions are huge, the best option is to eat about half! Just do your best, keep up with theater and remember, no matter how "big" you might get, its still better than the effects! I got faith you can do it though, just remember, focus on one step at a time (every pound you lose is a victory)
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You see the whole issue is that I am a very busy person. I don't have time to go to the gym on a regular basis, nor time to get a job to pay for a gym membership. I'm not just gonna go running around town because I don't know the area around me well. Nor do I honestly have that much time to do that. Like I can't just go out and change my whole diet either because I can't really afford that, either. I know this sounds kind of obnoxious but I really am a full time high school student. I can't even join sports if I was good enough to do so because my time is being dedicated to musical ensembles and theatrical performances. I totally get how it can lead to sickliness and stuff, but compared to continually gaining weight, I mean it's a hella lot quicker to just vomit than to run a mile. But still I see how bad the side affects are. This was totally out of curiosity, by the way.

I'm not going to bother telling you what to do with your life.
I think if you really wanted to you could find some time but
again the key point is you have to WANT TO.

Your problem isn't lack of time. It's lack of want.
You don't want to get in shape enough to do
what it takes. You want to take the easy way out.
I don't blame you. But if it sounds too good
to be true...It probably is.

I'm not saying this to be condescending.
I don't really have that much "want" either.
I don't exercise and I have three reason why

1. I'm lazy
2. I lack self discipline
3. I'm shy

Now the first two reasons are pretty obvious why they don't lead
me to exercising. But the last one may be more confusing. What
does being shy have to do with exercise? A HELLUVA LOT.

While of course I could exercise in the confines of my own room
it becomes very easy to put off like so many other things.
Despite all the crap you hear from Health magazines let's face it:

Exercise
is a drag.

There is nothing FUN about running, lifting weights, stretching, cardio,
push ups, sit ups, curls. Now for running it may be fun to "see the world"
but the act of running itself is NOT fun. Now some will argue and say
that these things are fun but that is because they are insane and
are confusing the feeling of accomplishment with the work itself.
Of course without the work there is no feeling of accomplishment.

Exercise is painful, boring, and most of the time you don't see the results.
Don't listen to in shape people who talk about how you'll feel great after you'vesay run a mile while being completely and utterly out of shape.
You won't. You WILL feel like crap and it will seem like a complete
and utter waste of time which it will be...IF you don't STICK TO IT.

This is why having a goal is important. And a realistic one at that.
Don't try and do everything at once. You'll only discourage yourself.

This of course easier said than done. Not everyone has this
kind of will power. That's why personal trainers exist.
However aside from the obvious expense this is where shyness
comes into play. It takes a great deal of courage to say

"Hi. I'm lazy and lack self discipline and am weak. Teach me Sensei!"

Nobody likes admitting to their own weakness and error.
I sure as hell don't.
I don't like being judged and
I'd wager a guess that I'm not alone.

This goes beyond personal trainers of course.

Why do you think the physical fit people are often the popular ones?

It's because most sports require at the very least being around
other people and the ones that don't you usually need to be
taught by another person. Going to the gym? Not a chance.
Why? Because I know I'd look like a total spazz and I'm
paranoid enough to think anyone actually cares. They don't
of course but these kind of things are difficult to be objective about.

Sooner or later though you have to suck it up one way or another.
If you're too shy then learn you some self discipline and do whatever
exercise you can in the confine of your own room. Even if it's just
push ups. You don't need a Total Workout Gym to exercise.
Though you won't build (much) muscle without lifting weights.
Of course you can improvise.

But maybe you're not shy and even if you are you're
not as shy as I am. In fact I'm probably borderline paranoid.
I would say "If I can do it then so can you" but then
I'd be lying since I haven't done it. But I think you can.

You just got to want to.
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Red wanted to avoid artificial exercise situations due to time constraints, so this is more directed at sticky than him. Red would be better off with atleast a little exercise, but if it's not in the cards right now, doing anything I described is better than the alternative of nothing if it's a choice between the two. Priorities are always trade offs. Sometimes you don't have the luxury of options in the short term if your life isn't entirely under your control, or you're already heavily invested in something else that can't budge at the moment.

Discipline is over rated. Having started into exercise and the like as someone that couldn't do a push-up or run, being circus strong now with more than decent lap times, I think exercise not being fun for many people is because they think they suck at it, or aren't consistent enough with it to go beyond the awkward stages of learning. I know plenty of people I see in the gym on a daily basis that didn't have a colored past like mine but simply enjoy health, and they have honest fun with it. They're not being forced to do it, or dragging themselves through anything, they just love. Being good at it now, it's also fun for me too, and a source of deep enjoyment. It'd be harder for me not to do it at this point, having done it for so long and developed the love of it.

It's a different kind of fun than being on the computer or playing video games. It's a physical, endorphin driven thing that you can an actual payoff from in the moment in the feeling of it, and in the long term in the sense you can be improved in various ways if you do it right for whatever goals you have in mind. Viewing it as 'sucking it up' seems detrimental to me in making it a part of your life if it's something you're serious about. You'd do better to realize that many of the things you think are 'fun' are likely quick-fix things that make you happy for the moment but dead on the journey.

If you let that mentality bring you to only doing things that are immediately gratifying without any long term payoffs to you, it'll send you down a path of life I'd rather be dead than live. I didn't enjoy most of the things I enjoy now when I first started, whether it be exercise or drawing or writing or reading. I am happy I got into every single one of them. I can still enjoy a good game, and regularly do . Some are artful to the point of life changing in the same way any good book or experience can be. They're also great social centers, particularly across long distances. But spending too much time on any one thing like that isn't a recipe for a well balanced life. It's shallow at best. Dangerous at worst.

Many people like exercise-related things from day one. But if you don't, and you're not debating the benefits of it in your life for whatever reasons you're working out, then you might need to develop finer tastes in what you like. It isn't discipline if you realize that maybe your tastes in the moment are wrong, or at the very least unhealthy. Changing after that is harder NOT to do than it is to pull off.
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Obviously it works. Most of the people I've seen with it are super small.
However... why would you want that image? Its not attractive.
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Obviously it works. Most of the people I've seen with it are super small.
However... why would you want that image? Its not attractive.
Not without consequences though. Also, people are attracted to a variety of body types, even the smaller figures.
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You can also be what's considered 'fat' in the US and still be perfectly healthy. Simplifying alot - Living healthy, eating healthy and all that kind of thing give you the benefits of being healthy fairly quickly, your status as a fat guy/gal aside. It's hard to remain overly obese or anything if you live and eat better, but the appearance of yourself isn't directly tied to your constitution.

Plenty of fat guys that are full of energy and enthusiasm get plenty of friends, girls and opportunities if that's your sole motivation. Other cultures aren't as hung up on certain things regarding males as the US, so frequenting another for a mate can make that alot easier if you're worried about that. Look at Mexican TV - the women can look alot like the US standards, but the men are all over the place.
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There's nothing wrong with being petite, small or even a tad skinny. But as soon as it's unhealthy, or acquired in bad way, then it gets "unattractive". A lot of skinny girls have virtually no muscle but a decent amount of fat. It makes for a weird figure with it's bumbs and in some places lack thereof.
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