Right to bear arms

[sasu_girl]

I accidentally clicked on the wrong thing in the poll. I clicked "No." instead of "Yes.". ._.

I think people should, because I believe that it would create just more crime than we already have.
Looking at the Prohibition, the ideas of the women pushing for anti-liquor laws were good, but the results were not what they were aiming to achieve. It would probably help the black market grow.

Feel free to correct me. I'm open to being wrong. ^.^

[Shisko Shi]

Originally Posted by Obito

Teacher's aren't stupid, they're teachers.

That isn't a valid argument. I have actully seen teacher who arn't the that smart. Just enough to teach that class. YOu can't say that because if you are a science teacher. You are saing that you arn't dumb, which is true but doesn't meen you can easly take out a man with a gun. That is unless you are an ex-SEAL. The problem isn't the right or government. It is the people, We make the choice. The killers are the ones making a choice.

[Jinchiruuki]

Originally Posted by sasu_girl

I accidentally clicked on the wrong thing in the poll. I clicked "No." instead of "Yes.". ._.

I think people should, because I believe that it would create just more crime than we already have.
Looking at the Prohibition, the ideas of the women pushing for anti-liquor laws were good, but the results were not what they were aiming to achieve. It would probably help the black market grow.

Feel free to correct me. I'm open to being wrong. ^.^

Well said sasu.

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

That isn't a valid argument. I have actully seen teacher who arn't the that smart. Just enough to teach that class. YOu can't say that because if you are a science teacher. You are saing that you arn't dumb, which is true but doesn't meen you can easly take out a man with a gun. That is unless you are an ex-SEAL.

Intelligence has nothing to do with any of it. It'd have more to do with moral conduct and code than anything.

[sasu_girl]

I was praised by Jinnie. ;~;
MY LIFE IS COMPLETE.

[Shisko Shi]

Originally Posted by Jinchiruuki

Well said sasu.


Intelligence has nothing to do with any of it. It'd have more to do with moral conduct and code than anything.

It takes intelligence to reliase right and wrong, how to do stuff. A soldier, they have War, and gun Intelligence to use their guns. If you have no intelligence then you have no moral conduct. Your brain is the center of control were that is stored. andthat is intelligence. But yes the moral is a big part. But most of all it is your decision to do what you do.

[Jinchiruuki]

Originally Posted by sasu_girl

I was praised by Jinnie. ;~;
MY LIFE IS COMPLETE.

xD

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

It takes intelligence to reliase right and wrong, how to do stuff. A soldier, they have War, and gun Intelligence to use their guns. If you have no intelligence then you have no moral conduct. Your brain is the center of control were that is stored. andthat is intelligence. But yes the moral is a big part. But most of all it is your decision to do what you do.

What is right and wrong? We judge right or wrong based on what? Our beliefs and opinions. Intelligence does not determine between right and wrong morally. It takes conviction and integrity and WISDOM to know when to use a gun and when not to. It is our divine right, or God Given right (whichever religion or spiritual view you carry) to defend ourselves. That's all there is to it.

"If you have no intelligence then you have no moral conduct."

You could not be more wrong. A majority of people with mental disablity are more peaceful than the average intelligent person. Soldiers do not have intelligence for the most part. They obey orders, and they have the intelligence of how to USE the tool that is a gun. However some have the intelligence to know when to disobey an order or not to. Your argument is completely invalid in that sense.

[Hando Craap]

Own an automatic weapon...no
Own a weapon...yes
Own multiple weapons...no

My problem is with these parents who have these kids with problems and ot doing anything about it till they go out and kill somebody.Like the spouse or friend of somebody who has multiple D.U.I.'s
Parents need to be held accountable.Charge them with accessory, give them some prison time.I don't think kids need to have access to any weapon at any time.Not until they reach 16.Most don't understand the concept of what a weapon will do when pointed at themselves or someone else.Too many kids think it's cool to shoot a weapon. My Senior D.I. told us killing someone is as easy as pulling the trigger,it's living with it that is hard as hell.
There should be better laws,stricter laws.Ones that protect all my ninja's here in the Land of Forums,and my family here at home....well especially here at home.Why you ask?If some nut job or jobs hurt my wife or daughter,I would go after every single person who touched their miserable lives...in other words this planet WILL burn.Then I'd go after them.You can laugh but I am a Marine,I ain;t joking about the welfare of my family.
It's called accountability.And as soon as the courts and Govt. decide to use it to punish more A**holes,I think they would see a drop in crime rates. Castrate rapists,abusers,pornagraphers, of women and children.Troubled teens don't get 30 strikes before seeing a jail cell.Criminals get a mandatory of 10 years at least with there 2nd felony. I could go on and on and I'm sure there are a few who think it's wrong to think this way,but haven't we tried the lets give him another break for long enough.What if it was your kid,mother,father,sibling,family or friend that just died,would you want to cut that killer some slack after he has already bee in/out of jail,or has a history of mental problems,or any other excuse the defense lawyers can think of?

[Devils Lawyer]

As the great poet Waka flocka said"no martial arts I am just bustin at em"

[Obito]

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

That isn't a valid argument. I have actully seen teacher who arn't the that smart. Just enough to teach that class. YOu can't say that because if you are a science teacher. You are saing that you arn't dumb, which is true but doesn't meen you can easly take out a man with a gun. That is unless you are an ex-SEAL. The problem isn't the right or government. It is the people, We make the choice. The killers are the ones making a choice.

Haha, teachers have to spend 4-8 years in college studing books after books after books, they have to take a test to even be allowed to teach students, even have to go into training as a sub to even know if they're eligible to teach, teachers don't become teachers like that, now if you're talking about sub teacher's, different story compared to a teacher who's got a teaching degree.

And taking out a man with a gun doesn't justify a TEACHER not being smart, that's irrelevant, and do you honestly believe the goverment doesn't have anything to do with people killing other people? That people in a society that's so messed up because the society is broke and people have to buy guns, rob people, and even kill people because their society isn't how it should be and you say the Goverment isn't to blame?

[BoxHead]

Even if guns are outlawed, the criminals will still be able to get some. Guns shouldn't be outlawed, just harder to get.

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by BoxHead

Even if guns are outlawed, the criminals will still be able to get some. Guns shouldn't be outlawed, just harder to get.

Sounds about right, there are always methods to get guns.

[Jinchiruuki]

Originally Posted by BoxHead

Even if guns are outlawed, the criminals will still be able to get some. Guns shouldn't be outlawed, just harder to get.

Harder to get for everyone including government then? Gun Control precedes Genocide, we have seen that with the Third Reich and numerous other countries with similar issues in the past.

[Shisko Shi]

@ Obito No I don't feel its the governments fault, If I go and shoot poeple at my work is the gorvenment to blam at all? no it was all my fault I have full control over what I do. Pluse did I say teachers are stuiped? No Ididn't but they wont be most of the time as asoldier would. If you walk into a school with a gun you bust open the door. Who you going for first? students or teacher?

@Jinchiruuki Good point.

[Obito]

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

@ Obito No I don't feel its the governments fault, If I go and shoot poeple at my work is the gorvenment to blam at all? no it was all my fault I have full control over what I do. Pluse did I say teachers are stuiped? No Ididn't but they wont be most of the time as asoldier would. If you walk into a school with a gun you bust open the door. Who you going for first? students or teacher?

@Jinchiruuki Good point.

I only pointed out to you that teacher's with degree's arn't stupid, you didn't describe which level of education that teacher's are stupid, so I assumed you meant in general, most of them. People do have control over what they do, but there's always reason behind the things they do, some bloke don't just go into a school and blast every kid or teacher he see's without a reason, there's always reason, now I ask you this, if the government had made society better, gave him or her a job he or she liked, well pay, and had a nice home, because society was stable and gave opportunities that the government made society balanced, would you give more credit to the person or the government?

[TRcommander]

Originally Posted by Obito

Haha, teachers have to spend 4-8 years in college studing books after books after books, they have to take a test to even be allowed to teach students, even have to go into training as a sub to even know if they're eligible to teach, teachers don't become teachers like that, now if you're talking about sub teacher's, different story compared to a teacher who's got a teaching degree.

Originally Posted by Obito

I only pointed out to you that teacher's with degree's arn't stupid, you didn't describe which level of education that teacher's are stupid, so I assumed you meant in general, most of them.

Being a teacher and intelligence aren't related. I know plenty of incompetent teachers and plenty of amazing ones as well. The world is full of idiots and, while taking the time to study for a college degree can help, it doesn't completely weed out all of them. There are idiots in every profession, including teachers, so there's no point trying to generalize any of them because even someone with a college degree can turn out bad.

People do have control over what they do, but there's always reason behind the things they do, some bloke don't just go into a school and blast every kid or teacher he see's without a reason, there's always reason, now I ask you this, if the government had made society better, gave him or her a job he or she liked, well pay, and had a nice home, because society was stable and gave opportunities that the government made society balanced, would you give more credit to the person or the government?

How many of these people committing mass murder do think are mentally healthy and would actually be affected by any of that? A happy family doesn't mean much to a sociopath. While these killings might technically always have a reason, telling the victims' families that they died because some random person had a chemical imbalance in their brain doesn't do much in the way of comforting.

[Ninja of Cao]

It saddens me deeply to look at the poll and see that so few people have an understanding of the fact that the ownership of guns only causes more murders and more sadness. It would be better to completely prohibit guns in civilian ownership, because then the criminals would not be able to arm themselves and would pose less of a threat.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Actually without guns there would be alot less dead people in war as it takes way longer to kill someone with swords/bows/bare hands.



Because the weapon industry is the only source of jobs?

But when there are other countries using nuclear weapons and guns, we're all going to be dead.

And did you not read my post when I said that the top three items in the black market are guns, drugs and animals? Or did you omit that just like you omitted the fact that other countries have guns and we need them to protect us from terrorism, attacks, war, etc.?

Originally Posted by Jinchiruuki

Like I said, if it MEANT protecting people then I am all for it. Tools such as guns are always going to be abused. Same with cars. Same with airplanes. People make the weapon not the tool itself.

Shika, given your agreement on that last statement of mine, I would be more than happy to share information with you, that will take you so far down a rabbit hole you will understand EVERYTHING.

And so, you think it's good to give people who could potentially be having a rough patch in their life or people who are unstable, which is definitely not uncommon, and not uncharacteristic for anyone, really...you want to give them a gun around children? That just doesn't seem like a good idea to me, especially given the fact that having a gun in a classroom around kids raises a number of safety concerns, even if it's not a crazy teacher shooting up a school, no matter how uncommon it might sound.

I would love to hear it.

Originally Posted by Ninja of Cao

It saddens me deeply to look at the poll and see that so few people have an understanding of the fact that the ownership of guns only causes more murders and more sadness. It would be better to completely prohibit guns in civilian ownership, because then the criminals would not be able to arm themselves and would pose less of a threat.

It saddens me deeply to look at your post and see that you don't realize that the ownership of guns is also dependent on you, your family, and pretty much everyone else on the world, depend on guns. Unless you're a vegetarian or vegan, you're eating dead animals. Which are killed by guns. It also saddens me to see how ignorant your view of legal civilian ownership is. May I remind you that people obtain cocaine, marijuana (in states where it's illegal), ketmine, cooking meth, acid, shrooms...? The list goes on, and while the number may be lower, it wouldn't be lower significantly, considering most gun ownership is most likely illegal.

[Obito]

Lol, okay.

Originally Posted by TRcommander

Being a teacher and intelligence aren't related. I know plenty of incompetent teachers and plenty of amazing ones as well. The world is full of idiots and, while taking the time to study for a college degree can help, it doesn't completely weed out all of them. There are idiots in every profession, including teachers, so there's no point trying to generalize any of them because even someone with a college degree can turn out bad.

Someone who goes to college and studies for 4-8 years and gets approved by the board of education, is not an idiot, I don't care if you had teachers who you saw in your eyes did a horrible job at being your teacher, maybe your learning ethicalities weren't able to be taught by the person doing the teaching. You calling your teachers, or teachers you've met that are idiots is just your biased opinion about teachers you probably didn't get along with, someone could say something totally different about how that teacher taught them. Sure, there are idiots in the world, teacher's who act like an idiot, but generally, to be called an idiot in a teaching profession, is to be teaching your students something that they're not required to learn, and teacher's can't help if the students don't want to learn anything that their teacher's are teaching, student's fault not the teacher's.

How many of these people committing mass murder do think are mentally healthy and would actually be affected by any of that? A happy family doesn't mean much to a sociopath. While these killings might technically always have a reason, telling the victims' families that they died because some random person had a chemical imbalance in their brain doesn't do much in the way of comforting.

It's common sense, if someone were happy, they wouldn't go and do something so insane as to go into a school and murder 26-28 kids and teachers because he or she wasn't happy with their family? What? A person who's not happy with his family doesn't go into a school and do those horrible things, a person who's angry with his or her family would probably do terrible things to his or her family, not other families, your logic is wrong. Now, mentally, you have a point, someone screwed up mentally, have insane thoughts, that's a point I can agree with you.

[Ninja of Cao]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

But when there are other countries using nuclear weapons and guns, we're all going to be dead.

And did you not read my post when I said that the top three items in the black market are guns, drugs and animals? Or did you omit that just like you omitted the fact that other countries have guns and we need them to protect us from terrorism, attacks, war, etc.?


And so, you think it's good to give people who could potentially be having a rough patch in their life or people who are unstable, which is definitely not uncommon, and not uncharacteristic for anyone, really...you want to give them a gun around children? That just doesn't seem like a good idea to me, especially given the fact that having a gun in a classroom around kids raises a number of safety concerns, even if it's not a crazy teacher shooting up a school, no matter how uncommon it might sound.

I would love to hear it.



It saddens me deeply to look at your post and see that you don't realize that the ownership of guns is also dependent on you, your family, and pretty much everyone else on the world, depend on guns. Unless you're a vegetarian or vegan, you're eating dead animals. Which are killed by guns. It also saddens me to see how ignorant your view of legal civilian ownership is. May I remind you that people obtain cocaine, marijuana (in states where it's illegal), ketmine, cooking meth, acid, shrooms...? The list goes on, and while the number may be lower, it wouldn't be lower significantly, considering most gun ownership is most likely illegal.

The civilian ownership of guns is the same thing as the government asking for more murders. And all animals I eat are not killed by guns but by sedatives for a more humane and painless death. So you are incorrect; I am in no way dependent on guns. Animals can be slaughtered without a hunt, disputes can be won without wars, and you can defend yourself against an intruder without guns. I completely oppose the civilian ownership of guns, as do my government, and the common sense of humanity.
Violence solves nothing.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Originally Posted by Ninja of Cao

The civilian ownership of guns is the same thing as the government asking for more murders. And all animals I eat are not killed by guns but by sedatives for a more humane and painless death. So you are incorrect; I am in no way dependent on guns. Animals can be slaughtered without a hunt, disputes can be won without wars, and you can defend yourself against an intruder without guns. I completely oppose the civilian ownership of guns, as do my government, and the common sense of humanity.
Violence solves nothing.

Disputes can't be won when there is war and one side doesn't have guns.
And that is true, about the sedatives. My research is outdated.

I think they still shoot rabid animals, though, which are a health hazard.