Juubi vs HST

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by Narutonamikaze85

lol no, Yama's bankai is just something Kubo pulled out his ass. Each of the powers it possessed were not even impressive. For example, the 10 trillion undead army, there were not 10 trillion, otherwise the soul society would have been overcrowded. They barely could handle 20,000 lol. Last but not least, the undead army didn't even do anything besides walk lol.

And 'bijuu beam/firinlazor/kamehameha' wasnt? Regardless from where its pulled from the temperature of the sun is alot of heat/energy which would wreck the entire planet just by being too close.

No one said yama has too use all 10 trillion (i am aware thats its prob not that much but still he has his personal edo tensei, the last person who had that waged war with nearly the entire verse mostly by himself.

Originally Posted by cnorwood

a serious juubi would wreck all 3 verses casually

The juubi still doesnt have a defense against being roomed(while the other fodders keep him busy, nvm the shinobi alliance is enough as seen in the manga) so aliance distract juubi while the others go seal him/blow him into oblivion.

Originally Posted by cnorwood

A serious juubi could just repeatedly shoot biju bombs, Just because a few miss doesnt mean that much for the hst. Continuous Mokuton spikes+ bijubombs =dead hst. Now a cis juubi could loose, especially since fodder ninja could hold him off.

I dont see how juubi would fall under character induced stupidity. Plot no jutsu offoucrse as he could simply nuke every ninja currently alive and be done with it but its not like the juubi has shown any sign of actual intelligence. Bost bleach and one piece tiers (logias) can tank much worse then wood spikes () casually.

Bijuu bombs could be theorectically send away by minato if he times it right (and he can because he can flippin teleport)

And totsuka should be able to seal juubi.

Offcourse while all the combined fodder off the verses distract him. Hell tobi could just phase for 5 minutes while the others go and seal it.

There barely went outside the narutoverse. And juubis done.

Originally Posted by Ultimate combatant

It doesn't seem like Haki was enough to defeat every single marine at the Marineford, nor was it enough to take out Whitebeard, nor was it enough to beat Admirals, nor was it enough to beat Ace, nor was it enough to beat Marco, nor was it enough to beat Luffy.

In other words, Haki is good for self enhancement but it doesn't do much against any above weakling level opponent!!!

Haki is more of a requirement (in one piece) to fight higher level opponents.

Although not really that comparable its like naruto needed to delve into his wind nature to battle new, more powerfull opponents.

I do agree with you that conquerors haki wont work on anything that isnt weak or fodder.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

Would he?
With what speed feats? We've yet to actually see him move.

Its immature form overwhelmed Bijuu Mode Naruto in speed.

[Devils Lawyer]

You know if Obito unleashed that attack at point blank he would probably ending killing himself. That or releasing his hold it's mind.

[Yami Yuki]

Couldn't Minato just open a barrier or set one up behind Juubi and send the bijuu dama/lazerdama right back at Juubi?

Originally Posted by Ultimate combatant

It doesn't seem like Haki was enough to defeat every single marine at the Marineford, nor was it enough to take out Whitebeard, nor was it enough to beat Admirals, nor was it enough to beat Ace, nor was it enough to beat Marco, nor was it enough to beat Luffy.

In other words, Haki is good for self enhancement but it doesn't do much against any above weakling level opponent!!!

That was a Luffy who was untrained in Haki usage, and he was trying to stop everyone. There is a theory that the more people you try to knockout, the less concentration per person is received. Now against one person (or Juubi) the Haki blast is focus, concentrated on that one target. Now on top of Luffy, add Rayleigh, Shanks, Whitebeard, Dragon, Garp (likely), Hancock, and Ace all focusing on one individual. Think of it as a magnifying glass and a fire, the more focused it is the hotter the point.


Think of that. And all that needs is eye contact; and the Juubi has such a large, ugly monstrous eye.

[BoxHead]

Conqueror's Haki combination is a good theory and is pretty probable, but hasn't been shown yet. You yourself that it's a theory go around. Theory =/= facts.

[Frost ninja]

It redirected it for 2 seconds.

Thats more than enough time to connect its head to the bottom of its foot and so on.
Also noting thats not including Yamanaka Dad, whom is noted to be some tenfold better than most anyone else in the clan. 2 seconds of inability against a few verses worth of supersonic/hypersonic attackers complete with hax and so on is a loss for Juubi.

Also the Juubi didn't make the moon, its even noted by Deva path that the moon is just one huge CT made by Riikudo. I still don't see the thing tanking anything, simply deflecting and out-damaging. And also, I don't see it moving so much as it moving parts of its body.

[Devils Lawyer]

It's faster than the entirety of Naruto redirecting the beam was impressive. But note that was its weaker form. If unleashed its current bijuudama right now they all die. Right now the juubi is only using physical attacks. Which is also powerful hachibi attacks are docile compared to it. Which by the way the juubi tanked. As far as the moon go it may have been Rikudo. But I know for a fact it created continents. So the moon power come from that.

[Yami Yuki]

Originally Posted by BoxHead

Conqueror's Haki combination is a good theory and is pretty probable, but hasn't been shown yet. You yourself that it's a theory go around. Theory =/= facts.

I don't get that.

[BoxHead]

Weird. I meant to say, "You yourself said that part of the info is a theory"

I dunno why I put go around

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by Nigoyukai

How is Yama soloing? Almost all of his most powerful techniques in Bankai requires physical contact, something Yama most definitely won't be doing against the Juubi's firepower.
East: Not tagging him. Yama gets BB'ed and one-shotted.
West: What's that gonna do? It's only going to take out the part of the Juubi he's touching. Juubi either smacks him away or he gets BB'ed and one-shotted before he can even approach him.
North: From where? The area that the superheated stream of air took up only a portion of Royd's chest. A very small area compared to the size of the Juubi. The only way he's taking the Juubi down with it is if the Juubi has a vital point in his head or something and Yama somehow hits it, but that's only if he's several meters away from it at an even elevation. And that's assuming if the Juubi's endurance/regen capabilities are anything less than great. The power of North from a significantly higher distance is unknown.
South: Useless. An army of the undead used to do nothing but hold down someone on the level of Royd Llyod isn't going to hinder Juubi one bit. Not to mention that the name of the technique is misinterpretated. It has been shown he can only produce nothing more than a few dozens of those skeletons. The 10 trillion refers to the kanji for the "land of the dead" which the technique resembles or something.

All of the above techniques can be dealed with with a simple "BB before Yama can touch him."

Ummm Yama casually flash steps behind the Juubi whenever it tries to fire a blast.

How on Earth is he going to get tagged, when he's one of the fastest characters in the Bleachverse which has some of the best physical stats in the HST. With a few flash steps Yama can be miles away in another direction. The Juubi will never be able to hit him.

All Yama has to do is point the tip of his sword to use Zanka no Tachi: North. The Juubi has demonstrated no regen. abilities just like none of the bijuu have (except Gyuki over a long period of time). North vaporizes anything in the direct path that's been pointed to. Yama points it at the Juubi's eye, there goes it's vision, even worse aiming than before. After that he can just cut the Juubi to shreds with Zanka no Tachi: East. Kenpachi was slicing skyscrapers in half one handed with his eyepatch on back in the SS arc. Gin's bankai was able to clear multiple city blocks with a single slice. Yama's sword slash in bankai on the Juubi's neck will be like slicing through warm butter with a battle axe.

[Vivi]

I wonder how Spiritual Pressure affects Juubi, those not used to it end up like Nanao.

[Uchiha Sora]

Chakra=Reiatsu?

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by Uchiha Sora

Chakra=Reiatsu?

It's more complicated than that.

Reiryoku is the energy and Reiatsu is the pressure.
Reiryoku is what used to channel Kido and a Zanpakutos power.
Reiatsu is the physical force that the energy releases.

So it should be more Chakra = Reiryoku.
For example what Nanao felt was the physical force not the energy.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by Vivi

It's more complicated than that.

Reiryoku is the energy and Reiatsu is the pressure.
Reiryoku is what used to channel Kido and a Zanpakutos power.
Reiatsu is the physical force that the energy releases.

So it should be more Chakra = Reiryoku.
For example what Nanao felt was the physical force not the energy.

I thought reiatsu is the energy, or is that a common misperception.

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

I thought reiatsu is the energy, or is that a common misperception.

Misperception.
Reiatsu is simply the pressure released.
Hence how people die when for example being close to Aizen or Starrk with the Hollows or how when Ichigo first struck Zaraki it didn't do a thing except busting his own hands.
Reiryoku also means "Spiritural Power" and Reiatsu "Spiritual pressure"

However, I leave that up to others to decide if they wanna use this or not.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by Vivi

I wonder how Spiritual Pressure affects Juubi, those not used to it end up like Nanao.

Well Juubi was considered the natural force of the planet.


This also brought up notions that Bijuu uses Natural energy theories.