Spoiler Doesn't anyone else see a giant loophole in Tobi's (Kishi's) explanation?

[Souret]

SHHH Kishi relies on people not noticing these things :P

[e710]

Originally Posted by Yami Yuki

Kishi IQ: 80
Average Human IQ: 100
My IQ: 108

Kishi is looking at this and crying. But he looks at your bank out and laughs. Who is the smarter one?

[Jakropha]

Originally Posted by Wooster

But it makes no sense. Kishi would have been better of not trying to explain this drawn out battle than offer an explanation that is just flat out wrong and frankly insulting.
That shouldn't be hard; See Spot Run is ten times better than Kishi's.

Kishi loves doing that.

And Home Alone has a 50 times better plot than Naruto

[Maruko]

Originally Posted by Yami Yuki

Kishi IQ: 80
Average Human IQ: 100
My IQ: 108
Wooster's IQ: 115?

Since average IQ in Japan is 105, your standards would make Kishi a retard. lol

[Phariah824]

Obito is the one who summonned the Juubi. he is also attached to the Juubi to control it. if he left Madara most likely couldnt control it alone w/ the summoner gone. also if Obito left an came back after a hude attack by Juubi w/ Madara destroyed waiting to reform and Obito gone no one would than be controlling the Juubi thus freeing it.

dont see any plotholes unless you know more of the mechanics behind the juubi and its summons/ control.

[JLI2infinity]

Another rant against Kishi stomped out. Thank you members of this forum who actually think about the chapters carefully before just going "[RAGE] Kishi plot hole. Kishi iz bad Riter gaiys" Unlike some of the posts below.

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

I am going with idiot this go around. At this point he created a story he can probably barely control. He no longer uses any of his characters aside for a handful. He should just end this arc a go full blown nuke fest.

Originally Posted by Vornmusion

The plot in Naruto is like Swiss cheese. Hard to keep up with it anymore.

Originally Posted by joon61

I swear my storys won't have these problems. I am going to make a story just like naruto and it will be 10 times better.

Originally Posted by Wooster

But it makes no sense. Kishi would have been better of not trying to explain this drawn out battle than offer an explanation that is just flat out wrong and frankly insulting.

That shouldn't be hard; See Spot Run is ten times better than Kishi's.

@Devil's Lawyer Since there is some validity to this criticism I'll leave it alone but Kishi just demonstrated last chapter that he has a general strategy involving all the ASF to defeat the Juubi and he's been making pretty good use of everyone's abilities recently

@Vornmusion Actually, not really. Since several fans basically predicted and explained the mystery behind Tobi over a year before his identity was revealed his timeline is pretty well explained. The biggest mistakes I've seen from Kishi have been drawing errors which leave fans confused (forgetting to take out A's arm and having Gai use Hirudora when it isn't clear if he's turned off the gates or not). I've had very few problems following the plot.

Most criticism of Naruto at this point involves separate people's tastes and dislikes about recent developments not legitimate confusion about the storyline.

@joon61 LOL "Yeah I bet I can take this guy's idea, premise, major characters as well as their powers and abilities, plot and make a way better story than he did." That's basically what you're saying right now. It's a lot harder to start from scratch and build this empire. Have you seen the original pilot chapter for Naruto. Originally it was going to be set in some city with a kid who could transform into a tiny demon fox going around fighting crime, and he molded that idea into the story you see before you.

@Wooster I agree. See Spot Run was so good that you created an account and joined a forum to discuss its characters and create threads about it and post thousands of comments logging what probably comes out to weeks of time over the years typing them all up. Not to mention the time you spend reading its newest updates and watching its animated series.... Oh Wait.

[Vornmusion]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

I've had very few problems following the plot.

Because you don't have logical literary standards. But that's ok, neither does the majority of the forum.

[Hakuren]

To those who have problems following the plot....

Spoiler:

Try harder.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

what are you ranting about again? You're wrong this time! so no, kishi is not an idiot and this' not a plot hole... if u wanna continue debating, i'm so in the mood cuz i'm pissed at neji's death to begin with

Your trolling is not needed.

Originally Posted by Yami Yuki

Kishi IQ: 80
Average Human IQ: 100
My IQ: 108
Wooster's IQ: 115?

That low?

Originally Posted by Fuuin

Obito probably doesn't have enough chakra left to warp outside of the blast radius.

Nonsense.

Originally Posted by Souret

SHHH Kishi relies on people not noticing these things :P

Then why explain it at all?

Originally Posted by Jakropha

Kishi loves doing that.

And Home Alone has a 50 times better plot than Naruto

True.

Originally Posted by Maruko

Since average IQ in Japan is 105, your standards would make Kishi a retard. lol

He really is. o.O

Originally Posted by Phariah824

Obito is the one who summonned the Juubi. he is also attached to the Juubi to control it. if he left Madara most likely couldnt control it alone w/ the summoner gone. also if Obito left an came back after a hude attack by Juubi w/ Madara destroyed waiting to reform and Obito gone no one would than be controlling the Juubi thus freeing it.

dont see any plotholes unless you know more of the mechanics behind the juubi and its summons/ control.

Doesn't matter.
Madara can't be killed. Tobi warps away. Juubi does what Juubis do. Madara suicide bombs. Alliance dies. Tobi warps back. Tobi rides dat Juubi P:< World of peace. The End.

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

I'm sorry, but correct me if I'm wrong. Again, why would a Juubi Bijuu Bomb pointed at the alliance kill Tobi too?

They can either go far enough so that the blast radius doesn't catch them, or they can concenctrate the Juubi's TBB power so it doesn't kill them, or they can launch several small ones.

[Maruko]

^It wouldn't kill Madara, he's an Edo Tensei.

[DrKage]

Would the explosion of a nearby detonation hurt/damage the juubi though?

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Your trolling is not needed.


That low?
Nonsense.

Then why explain it at all?

True.

He really is. o.O

Doesn't matter.
Madara can't be killed. Tobi warps away. Juubi does what Juubis do. Madara suicide bombs. Alliance dies. Tobi warps back. Tobi rides dat Juubi P:< World of peace. The End.

lol... after two days of thinking, this is what u come up with?... a typical loser's remark...

ps... and I get downrepped for my ingenuity cus someone got bitter...what a coward... bahahaha

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

Originally Posted by Maruko

^It wouldn't kill Madara, he's an Edo Tensei.

I meant Tobi.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by Vornmusion

Because you don't have logical literary standards. But that's ok, neither does the majority of the forum.

Yes, give a general criticism of my ability to comprehend written works rather than providing examples. These are my favorite types of responses. But I understand, because if rants like these are all you got people will continue to tear you a new one.

It's ok kalmeast I uprepped you for just tearing through this poor rage thread and I'd do it again if it wasn't for viz's distribute the rep policy.

LOL Wooster came in with that CultofPersonality response. Typical signs of a defeated man.

Madara can't be killed. Tobi warps away. Juubi does what Juubis do. Madara suicide bombs. Alliance dies. Tobi warps back. Tobi rides dat Juubi P:< World of peace. The End.

OR The ASF finds a way to stop Madara's suicide bomb and the Juubi ends up fully transforming and getting loose with no one to control it and ridiculous power. Tobi loses his ultimate weapon which is really the only thing that stopped Kakashi and Naruto from beating his ass a few chapters ago and Madara is stuck in his zombie body unable to complete his plan.

[MrNarutowatcher]

umm from the way I understand it he doesn't want to kill them all at once because he's a reanimated shinobi through ET and thus it might undo his summoning if he killed everyone or perhaps kabuto would undo it to try to usurp orbito but I think it had more with him wanting to be brought back to the actual living with rennei tensei and him not wanting to put his ET in jeopardy

[paradigm1977]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

@Vornmusion Actually, not really. Since several fans basically predicted and explained the mystery behind Tobi over a year before his identity was revealed his timeline is pretty well explained. The biggest mistakes I've seen from Kishi have been drawing errors which leave fans confused (forgetting to take out A's arm and having Gai use Hirudora when it isn't clear if he's turned off the gates or not). I've had very few problems following the plot.

I don't think Tobi's timeline is well explained. We don't know where he got all his Uchiha knowledge from. The Obito=Tobi backers from a year ago talked about training in the other dimension or tsukuyomi. That way Kishi could explain the 1 year power jump. We didn't see training or learning. The best we can do is go out on a limb and guess the hashi clones taught him the Uchiha knowledge.

Major mistakes might be Obito's height when he meets Pain. He should be kid size. The clone can't make him taller unless it gives him herman munster/frankenstein platform shoes or a super sakura forehead. Pain would notice he's a kid.

Itachi not giving Shisui's eye to Naruto after he was freed is another. For characterization, even if he didn't know that koto could be used again by a uzumaki, the eye has other powers. And Itachi trusts Naruto. It didn't make sense to destroy the eye. I can forgive both. The whole thing with Madara assumed to be plugged into the mazou when pain summoned it to fight Hanzo is arguable, since we reasonable assume he left the cave to give his eyes to Nagato. 12-15 years earlier. We don't know when he plugged in.

As for following the plot, this isn't even a game of thrones, so I agree that the plot isn't hard to follow.

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

paradigm, Kishi certainly has problems with ages. >.>

[Rikudo Sage]

Originally Posted by paradigm1977

I don't think Tobi's timeline is well explained. We don't know where he got all his Uchiha knowledge from. The Obito=Tobi backers from a year ago talked about training in the other dimension or tsukuyomi. That way Kishi could explain the 1 year power jump. We didn't see training or learning. The best we can do is go out on a limb and guess the hashi clones taught him the Uchiha knowledge.

Yeah! I agree! Obito's power and knowledge jump does not really add up and wasnt explained though im still hoping Kishi will redeemed himself once Kakashi started talking..

Originally Posted by paradigm1977

Major mistakes might be Obito's height when he meets Pain. He should be kid size. The clone can't make him taller unless it gives him herman munster/frankenstein platform shoes or a super sakura forehead. Pain would notice he's a kid.

I forgive Kishi for this because it was shown that Obito borrowed Zetsu's body at that time. So height and size arent a big factor in my opinion.

Originally Posted by paradigm1977

Itachi not giving Shisui's eye to Naruto after he was freed is another. For characterization, even if he didn't know that koto could be used again by a uzumaki, the eye has other powers. And Itachi trusts Naruto. It didn't make sense to destroy the eye.

Maybe that eye is intended only for kotoamatsukami. Naruto wouldnt able to utilize it properly had Itachi decided not to destroy it unless it is implanted in naruto's own eye socket. So the best option would be destroying the eye to avoid other's from stealing it and using it for other purposes.

[and17y1]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Soo, Madara can't kill the entire alliance all at once for one because they can't control the Juubi completely..okay fine.

For two because Madara doesn't want to kill Tobi for various reasons and can't go on a suicide attack. Umm, can't Tobi instantly warp anywhere in the world? So is Kishi an idiot or is Tobi lying to Madara.

YOU DECIDE!!!

The question is one. Madara cant control Juubi properly without Obito's help. If Juubi gets out of their control it would be nearly impossible for them to capture it again and also if that happens Madara risks Obito to get killed while being near the Juubi's roamfree.