Right to bear arms

[ObitoUchiha]

Yes, this is because of the School Shooting but it has made me think.

Who should be allowed to have guns, and where?

While putting a bunch of guns in schools may seem idiotic, I understand it. I mean, it's not like they are saying, 'Teachers, at the start of each school day, give each kid this loaded pistol, and if....' no.

They are telling teachers that they are allowed to conceal weapons on their person in case of emergency. Children will not be allowed to bring guns, for that would truly be dumb.

But let's think on a wider scale. Why not just outlaw guns? Why not stop making guns, and then nothing can happen, right? Well... two things.

One, hunters will be distraught and wouldn't allow this to happen. And if shotguns are allowed, well... crime scenes will be messy.

Two, and much more importantly... think. Who causes crimes, mass killings, etc. Are they your average joe, law abiding citizen performing his/her civic duty to follow the law? No. Outlaws. Think bank robbers, murders, etc. If you outlaw guns, will criminals walk up and freely give their guns to the government?

Yeah, no.

That is my opinion as to why outlawing guns is the wrong move. While I am a Christian... and wouldn't bring myself to shoot a person with a gun in self-defense myself, keeping all people from defending themselves would create Arkham City. Just saying.

I would personally go with the crowbar approach myself. I would do whatever I could to knock the person unconscious, but not kill them. But that doesn't mean I will just keep others from owning guns because I won't use them.


So what is your view on the right to bear arms?

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[Wooster]

Shouldn't this be in the debate section?

[ObitoUchiha]

One: That was FAST.

Two, um... I mean... it could be, but all the school shooting stuff is here... and I thought anything non-naruto related could be posted here.

If this must be moved, I will oblige, but it would be nice if I could keep it here.

[Blue Flame]

I personally think that it is only good to own guns for self defence, or target practice, or hunting, (NOT ON CHILDREN).
Btw should be in debate section

[Souret]

I'm slightly torn on this topic, I think people like police officials should be able to carry guns. But normal citezens carrying guns seems like an risk we don't need to take. The harder guns are to get hold of the safer people are. Then again I'm not anti-hunting so long as you have qualifications and permission.

[megabbaut]

I always thought this was a stupid amendment TBH. The only people who should be in possession of a gun are the police, and even then guns shouldn't exist at all because they just make it easier for one person to kill another.

[Souret]

^ I agree that guns were a bad if idea to start with traditional methods are deadly enough without making it easier

[BMC1994]

Like i do with all gun threads ima quote chris rock.

- We dont need no gun control we need some bullet control

-''Bullets should cost 5000 dollars''

-You know why? Because if a bullet cost 5000 dollars there will be no more innocent bystanders.

-And people would think before they kill somebody '' Man i would blow your ****in brains out if i could afford it.

Seriously chris rock shouldve been the first black president.

[Souret]

^then you get charming people attempting to make there own

[BMC1994]

^just put a crap load of taxes on the material needed to make bullets and problem solved

[Souret]

you think people wouldn't get hold of the materials if they really wanted to tbh you'd have to ban an awful lot of stuff to stop people being able to make them

[BMC1994]

Dont have to banned just make them expensive as **** as soon as things cost above 10 dollars people think twice about buying it.

For the guy who repped me and never heard it:

[Souret]

again there are an awful lot of things that are generally harmless that can be used you can't make everything expensive to avoid some mentally unstable people who would use it for the wrong reasons

[Dub]

Let's talk politics right after a national tragedy.

[ObitoUchiha]

Umm... hello Dub.

Am I meaning to disrespect this tragedy? No, I am meaning to express my view on this discussion that has been brought up. People are simply asking whether outlawing guns would stop crime.

I am just saying no, it will help in no way.

[Souret]

After a tragedy is always the time when politics are discussed because it's when people are most likely to feel strongly. I am not putting down how serious resent events were in anyway.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Dub

Let's talk politics right after a national tragedy.

Even better let's glorify this killer, so more people will copy him.

[Shisko Shi]

Well This is hard for me to think of, but I say yes. but make it more stricked. YOu own a gun you must have yearly or monthly siciatric apointments to make sure they are stable enought to even have one. I mean would you sell a gun to a guy with heavy clothing a face that looks like he hasn't shaved in a wile but with the look like somthing had been bothering him? You woulnd't now if something was unless a profesional looked him/her over imo. could be wrong through.

[ObitoUchiha]

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

Well This is hard for me to think of, but I say yes. but make it more strict. You own a gun you must have yearly or monthly psychiatric appointments to make sure they are stable enough to even have one. I mean would you sell a gun to a guy with heavy clothing a face that looks like he hasn't shaved in a wile but with the look like something had been bothering him? You wouldn't now if something was unless a professional looked him/her over IMHO. However, I could be wrong.

Aha.

This brings me back to the, 'criminals wouldn't follow the rules' category.

Criminals/ Wannabe criminals would simply lie and say they do not own a gun, and would only buy a new one with stolen credit cards/ licences.

Also, there would not be a way to make a law for who to sell a gun to in that manner. You couldn't make a law stating, 'Only clean shaven men who look professional may buy a gun,' as that view may vary between people.

Now, if you were to say that guns may only be sold to those with a clean criminal record, that would be better, but not good enough. Then you would just have many people buying guns and handing them off to friends or being threatened to buy guns for those who wish to use them for harmful intent.

[Dub]

Originally Posted by Souret

After a tragedy is always the time when politics are discussed because it's when people are most likely to feel strongly. I am not putting down how serious resent events were in anyway.

Knee jerk reactions are always the best route.