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Old 12-12-2012, 10:02 AM   #1
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So...I'm interested in knowing who you guys think would win this fight and why. Make the explanation as detailed and developed as possible, please.
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I would say Kurenai but they both have similar abilities. Considering Kurenai caught Itachi in her genjutsu and Shika managed to escape Tayuya's. Also Tayuya is relient on the flute which gives Kurenai's lack of reliance on anything breakable the advantage.

But I'm not that sure of my arguement here.
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Wow I actually had to THiNk for this one!

All in all kurenai wins! When it comes down to it tayuya has not shown the ability to break out of genjutsu. Even a genin was able to break out of her genjutsu. Kurenai broke out of the great itachi's genjutsu!

Tayuya has to stand still to attack which is a perfect time for for tayuya to fall prey to genjutsu. With hair camo kurenai can go though the ogres or hide ten surprise the enemy.
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Another ranged fighter against someone who needs to be close up?

Hows Kurenai gonna deal with the demons and ghosts?

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Even a genin was able to break out of her genjutsu
He was caught first.
And it required Shadow Possession to be used on himself.

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When it comes down to it tayuya has not shown the ability to break out of genjutsu
Right a Genjutsu Type doesn't have the ability to break out.Get real.
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Kurenai broke out of the great itachi's genjutsu!
That was her own Genjutsu, Itachi used it back on her.And he wasn't even trying.Even then that was A BASIC COUNTER.
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Anime only.


Demons solo this easily.
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Even shikamaru dodged them. He em had time to think. The monsters could get put in a genjutsu as well
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Even shikamaru dodged them.

He em had time to think. The monsters could get put in a genjutsu as well
Barely.He was massively cornered and went into hiding.
And even then he needed his entire arms.
He even complimented Tayuyas Intelligence to corner him this much.

Kurenai gonna put 4 people at once into Genjutsu now with her sole canon one requiring to be close?
Nope.Not gonna happen.
Especially against the Ghosts which are pure mental energy.
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Wow I actually had to THiNk for this one!

All in all kurenai wins! When it comes down to it tayuya has not shown the ability to break out of genjutsu. Even a genin was able to break out of her genjutsu. Kurenai broke out of the great itachi's genjutsu!
Isn't it a bit wierd to have a genjutsu user who can't break out of a genjutsu? I mean, she must've learnt the basics (breaking out of a genjutsu) before she started practicing genjutsu. Even Sakura who's not a genjutsu user could break out of it, then it's pretty obvious that Tayuya would be able to as well.
Tayuya has to stand still to attack which is a perfect time for for tayuya to fall prey to genjutsu. With hair camo kurenai can go though the ogres or hide ten surprise the enemy.
Kurenai has to stand still to be able to attack too. What if Kurenai falls prey to Tayuya's genjutsu first? Tayuya could make herself invisible by standing behind a tree and preparing to go into C2 and then catch Kurenai in her genjutsu. Can Kurenai break out of sound based genjutsu?
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The only reason why I think Tayuya could take this is because she's a long range fighter with sound based genjutsu, which means that she can stay out of sight and attack Kurenai when she least expects it. Also, keep in mind that sound based genjutsu is the most dangerous type of genjutsu. It puts you completely off balance. I'm not saying that sight based genjutsus aren't harmful, but they even stated in one episode (can't remember which one) that sound based genjutsu is the worst type of genjutsu that you could possibly be trapped in.
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Barely.He was massively cornered and went into hiding.
And even then he needed his entire arms.
He even complimented Tayuyas Intelligence to corner him this much.
brains do not win all battles and kurenai>>PTs shikamaru
Kurenai gonna put 4 people at once into Genjutsu now with her sole canon one requiring to be close?
lol she only needs to get one person on genjutsu and that is tayuya silly. The monsters are easily dodged and there is amble space to hide
Nope.Not gonna happen.
Especially against the Ghosts which are pure mental energy
that are controlled by tayuya who would get hit by genjutsu
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You guys are seriously underestimating kurenai. With or without anime feats.
Plus kurenai has knowledge of the area so she knows the animals and traps of the forests.
Tayuya is overconfident and she can not control the monsters and use genjutsu at the same time. She can only use genjutsu in CS2. Shukamaru dodged the animals with basic speed.

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-due to sound kurenai would always know where she is. And tayuya did not hide when she fought shikamaru.
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Demonic flute GG?

Even then kurenai is no match for tayuya doki or her ghosts.
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You guys are seriously underestimating kurenai. With or without anime feats.

Plus kurenai has knowledge of the area so she knows the animals and traps of the forests.

Tayuya is overconfident and she can not control the monsters and use genjutsu at the same time.

She can only use genjutsu in CS2.

Shukamaru dodged the animals with basic speed.

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No you overestimate her.

Thats an idiotic point.

True.So?Doesn't change she wins.

Don't be silly.

Thats why he got hit and right afterwards went into hiding?
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Wow great counters (sarcasm)
Can you put actual thought and detail in your post next time please instead of saying simple statements that do not prove anything.
Can you explai. HOW she wins instead of that childish response?
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I recommend you guys drop the petty veiled insults. Also, PoP, stop being so dense.

Tayuya wins with CS2 and Ghosts. The best Kurenai has ever, EVER done, is get a nonchalant itatchi in a genjutsu, which he wanted, and immediately had it reversed on her just as casually.

Tayuya pressured Shikamaru, who for all intents and purposes is a combat genius on an intellectual level, as well as literally, forced him into hiding.
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Demonic flute GG?

Even then kurenai is no match for tayuya doki or her ghosts.
So by that statement your assuming that tayuya will blitz into CS2 and use demonic flute?

As for the doki and ghosts kurenai can hide and dodge them.
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Tayuya would see that she is a jounin so she would go into CS1
While she takes out her flute and summons her monsters

In this time kurenai can dash towards her to close the distance(assuming that the distance is great)

Once the doki are summoned tayuya would start playing her (and iirc the doki do not respond the instant she played at first they were a lil slow)

Overall as soon as she starts playing kurenai would be in range and be able to activate her genjutsu. While in the genjutsu she would be unable to play her flute thus the doki and genjutsu would fail

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So by that statement your assuming that tayuya will blitz into CS2 and use demonic flute?

As for the doki and ghosts kurenai can hide and dodge them.
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Tayuya would see that she is a jounin so she would go into CS1
While she takes out her flute and summons her monsters

In this time kurenai can dash towards her to close the distance(assuming that the distance is great)

Once the doki are summoned tayuya would start playing her (and iirc the doki do not respond the instant she played at first they were a lil slow)

Overall as soon as she starts playing kurenai would be in range and be able to activate her genjutsu. While in the genjutsu she would be unable to play her flute thus the doki and genjutsu would fail
So you're saying that Kurenai would blitz her way into a genjutsu trap and then...what?
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Wow great counters (sarcasm)
Can you put actual thought and detail in your post next time please instead of saying simple statements that do not prove anything.
Can you explai. HOW she wins instead of that childish response?
Already did.You're just too dense.

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So you're saying that Kurenai would blitz her way into a genjutsu trap and then...what?
Nothing.Cause Demons would prevent that.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:50 PM   #17
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Then feel free to counter my points. I am not trying to be dense..... I am just not convicted it would be so easy.

It is OOC for tayuya to use the ghost first. She would have to be angered at least. Plus using ghost would be very hard when tayuya is under genjutsu
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So your saying now that it would be OOC for perhaps the most irritable woman in the series to get angry and use ghosts?

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Why would she get mad bro? She has no reason to.
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Lol am I really a dense or are you guys messin with me cuz I do not see Tayuya winning this at all
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