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Kisame and Tobirama 2 28.57%
Madara 5 71.43%
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:28 PM   #61
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"Itachi and Saskue did not appear to focus that much. Especially a raging brother (saskue) attacking the kages. Saskue used it willy-nilly. SPamming it in fact."

They activate mangekyo sharingan pick a target and focus chakra to ignite it. Sasuke is the most proficient with the flames so presumably he takes the least time but we have seen that there is a delay between Itachi activating his MS and using his flames. Hence Sasuke was able to evade them by running and then prep a substitution. Also Nagato had time to warn Naruto and Bee that the building pressure in the surrounding air was a signal that Itachi was going to use the technique.

"how do water clones help? Madara can tell which one is real thanks to sharigan."

Wrong. Sharingan cannot distinguish between clones and the original, that was a fluke back during part 1. All the clones appear as identical masses of chakra to the sharingan. This is why we have seen Sasuke get confused by clones numerous times. Madara also didn't know whether or not he was attacking clones or originals.

"Sugietsu has hydrofication technique which makes him regenerate... the sharks do not. Once the shark has been critically hit (like a shadow clone) it is destroyed and down for the count. You believe that the sharks can survive but when has a shark survived a strong attack?"

Kisame's normal shark summons will poof if critically hit but Kisame's Giant Shark Bullet is just a mass of water and chakra travelling at a target. What you're doing is like saying Madara could stab Daytime Tiger or a fireball. It's not a summon it's a ninja technique. I would possibly agree that he can cause it to implode early by hitting it by he doesn't have intel so he is unaware that the technique steals chakra. In other words your strategy doesn't work.
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:53 AM   #62
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"Itachi and Saskue did not appear to focus that much. Especially a raging brother (saskue) attacking the kages. Saskue used it willy-nilly. SPamming it in fact."

They activate mangekyo sharingan pick a target and focus chakra to ignite it. Sasuke is the most proficient with the flames so presumably he takes the least time but we have seen that there is a delay between Itachi activating his MS and using his flames. Hence Sasuke was able to evade them by running and then prep a substitution. Also Nagato had time to warn Naruto and Bee that the building pressure in the surrounding air was a signal that Itachi was going to use the technique.

Not gonna talk about amaterasu anymore since he never did it, I am placing my bets on PS
Wrong. Sharingan cannot distinguish between clones and the original, that was a fluke back during part 1. All the clones appear as identical masses of chakra to the sharingan. This is why we have seen Sasuke get confused by clones numerous times. Madara also didn't know whether or not he was attacking clones or originals.
yeah I get the sharigan abilities and bykugan abiliteis mixed up some times. But Madara di d a great job tellng about the shadow clones from Naruto's. THe clones are just a weak nuiscane that can not do much besides water prison.

Kisame's normal shark summons will poof if critically hit but Kisame's Giant Shark Bullet is just a mass of water and chakra travelling at a target. What you're doing is like saying Madara could stab Daytime Tiger or a fireball. It's not a summon it's a ninja technique. I would possibly agree that he can cause it to implode early by hitting it by he doesn't have intel so he is unaware that the technique steals chakra. In other words your strategy doesn't work.
It does not matter if he has intel or not. It is an attack and Madara would not stand there and let it hit him. After all with the Gunbai Madara can blow the jutsu away. Madara just has to avoid the mouth and then slice n dice it to pieces.
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:13 PM   #63
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It does not matter if he has intel or not. It is an attack and Madara would not stand there and let it hit him. After all with the Gunbai Madara can blow the jutsu away. Madara just has to avoid the mouth and then slice n dice it to pieces.
I hardly see why you're talking down about water prison since no one has ever broken out of it without the help of someone else. Also the PS isn't all that fast so will it even be able to slice SWSB before it can drain his chakra?
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:23 PM   #64
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I was not talking down on water prison ur hat Jutsu will not help also neji escaped from water prison by himself
With the distance and the fact that the shark is not in water PS has enough time
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It does not matter if he has intel or not. It is an attack and Madara would not stand there and let it hit him. After all with the Gunbai Madara can blow the jutsu away. Madara just has to avoid the mouth and then slice n dice it to pieces.
Madara has stood there and gotten hit by plenty of things. Dust Release, Lava Release, punches, grabs he's not exactly a master of evasion. And without intel he doesn't know to avoid the mouth or that Susano'o can't tank the attack which is what he usually does with that technique...tank things.
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:11 PM   #66
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Oh come one bro he was and EDO. He could afford to tank attacks. He did not care cuz he knew he could regnerate
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Madara has stood there and gotten hit by plenty of things. Dust Release, Lava Release, punches, grabs he's not exactly a master of evasion. And without intel he doesn't know to avoid the mouth or that Susano'o can't tank the attack which is what he usually does with that technique...tank things.
You do realize that Madara was trolling them the entire fight?

He even purposefully got hit by a Dust Release on his chest so Hashirama's face would demoralize them.

This is not completely viable evidence on the count of a serious Madara.
The time Madara actually applauded them was when Onoki made a gigantic Dust Release cubicle that destroyed 25 susanoos.
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