Sandy Cheeks vs Sakura Hurano

[BMC1994]

Quoted from kabutos first use :

''Certainly with this chakra scalpel i could have severed all your arteries and blood vessels however during a fight i cant maintain one long and precise enough to penetrate all the way to your arteries and heart muscles.'''

Kabuto vs Itachi doesnt count as the scalpel was enhanced by sage chakra.
So unless sakura has pulled out sage mode while i wasnt looking she isnt able to use it like that.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

You argument on the depth and height is pretty funny. There are several episodes that contradict and puts them casually close to the surface. The fishing lines, the dare of going on land, and even the movie shows this. But it doesn't even matter especially if we take your view on their height. It only solidifies the fact they don't follow our rules. So what makes you think their deep sea equates ours? Several aquatic creatures that don't operate at that depth appear. So either the pressure does not exist or they are not at depth you are suggesting.

I hear a lot of things that I covered previous with the "expanse of land", basically not all of the place is a uniform height/depth as noted by plateaus, rock bottom, etc. The place where they tossed the anchors, iirc, is goo lagoon. Can you provide any proof that what you say applies there?

Can you give me a definate depth for it, or are you just going to propose it without evidence like you've been doing this whole time? If so, save yourself the time. I've got geography on my side. Central Pacific, and sulfur fields occur pretty deep in the ocean, you know.


Next up the anchor. An admiralty doesn't get up to 1-5 tons. That size is usually designated for ships anchors that are never moving. You might wanna check your facts. Real once a month sailor right here. UsNavy say it all together.

I base off my facts on the ideal that its iron cast, and that alone with how heavy iron is and how they would need to be dense enough to prevent the boats from moving. You can be a once a month sailor, but if thats as shallow as your knowledge goes on material weight then you'd have been better left on shore.


Sakura is the Tsunade in feats I see. You forget midway through their fight against Sasori 3rd kazekage puppet she took control of her own movements. Chiyo was the one who said this. Also you do know I am talking about base 2 gaara arc Naruto speed. Anyways porting hardly matters if she can casually dodge and react.

You mean one punch? Also reactions when?
You say all of this, but I need actual evidence of her doing all of this.
Come back when you have some pages.


Sakura's destructive capabilites are obviously higher see bell test part 2 for reference the crater demonstrates that. Not only that I am pretty sure Sasori puppet sent a solid giant block of Iron at her. She sent it flying casually with her punch. Mind you the object was coming at her at highspeed. Sounds better than the the anchor and a building lift. Lifting strength does not equate force you need speed too by the way. I am sure you are aware of this though.

You do realize the anchor took about a second and a half to travel that far with water resistance working against it for people less powerful, yeah? Not to mention with force, lifting can be determined using the force of gravity as acceleration downwards. In their case, its about 50x as much as above the surface until you can disprove it. Also her anchor stayed airborn, or rather, waterborn for about 12 or 15 seconds. With water resistance.

9.81 m/s/s x 50 = 490 m/s/s. To put it short, since she had no real delay in tossing it that far bar her starining for cartoony effect (she had no problem lifting multi-stories, after all). That means her force can indeed be equated by F = MA, with the A being gravity's push, M being the mass of the object, F being the force of gravity itself. Since she could overcome it, her force would indeed be even greater, so much to a degree where she not only picked it up but threw it. As for her own speed, she moves fast enough with 50 atmospheres of water pressure and water resistance to still make fire when she snowboards, go across bikini bottom and flip every building without stopping...

She has also kicked some pretty high-tier weighted stuff around, so if we go by the rule of it that applies off to her speed as well.


But all this doesn't matter because at the end of the day Sakura can just touch Sandy's heart with a chakra scapel and call it a day.

She'd need to aim it pretty precisely, and with how slow her punches are I don't see it hitting. I don't even think it would phase Sandy with her tanking a 114,000 ft free-fall.

Oh, mind you she pulled a huge ship down by its anchor. With like... one hand. Thats fighting quite a bit of physical forces since boats are made to hold up a great deal of weight off of buoyancy alone. I don't want to get into math about it, but until Sakura can match those feats with evidence I don't think you have a case.'


Actually, mr. "Once a week sailor", can you tell me the minimum depth that a ship that large would be at in order to drop anchor and not be at risk of shallow water? Because to my knowledge, ships don't drop anchor in "groves" as you put it. Oh, and as for your statement about the weight, modern anchors weigh several tons and the links alone weigh about 350. Admirality anchors would be lighter, but I'm doubtful they would be able to tether a ship down properly if they only weighted about as much as 5 modern anchor links.



Just rewatched the episode.

She didn't just throw the thing into the air, she kicked it 510 yrds. That means all that force of her legs translates over to speed, if I'm remembering right. And, of course, that just adds even more power since she has equally as impressive lifting feats through her multi-building lifts. Taking into account my equations which you have yet to actually disprove through evidence, that means she can put out about 5 billion N/m^2 of force through her legs alone, and 92 billion N/M^2 through her arms.



Now, though, we can consider the depth.
12 seconds of rise and fall, within a 510 yrd. span. Assuming it never left the water.
Not counting frontal resistance despite that taking so much speed and force off of it, being the anchor flew and landed with its entire body facing frontwise. Assuming theres is no water pressure as well (basic atmosphere, for example), then anchor would be falling a 9.81 m/s/s. This means the time it rises has to allow for it to fall long enough to end out at 12 seconds despite the increased speed.

But viewing the show gives a definate change to this. Namely, the anchor throughout the 10 seconds makes a falling cartoon noise, indicating a lowering altitude. This means that the anchor reached its maximum height after only 2 seconds, and had fallen 10 seconds thereafter. This, mind you, COULD be in part to frontal resistance but since its all underwater theres no reason to assume theres any momentum lost from the changing atmospheres like in most cases.

So after 10 seconds of falling at normal atmospheric. 9.81 m/s/s



9.81
19.62
29.43
39.24
49.05
58.86
68.67
78.48
88.29
98.1

539.55 meters fallen


This means, despite what you claimed, they were indeed at LEAST 500 meters deep in the goo lagoon.
Which means, yes, 50x normal atmosphere. I've proven the depth of it, meaning her strength feats and now her speed feats equal out. But to also note, I ended up miscalculating and the anchors are around the area of 10-15 ft tall, if not more.

Now then, now that we know the minimal depth with the normal atmosphere, you have to consider that it isn't applying the extra water pressure, and the object would fall even faster with the extra weight on it.

However, I'll take this as it is now. In order to kick it that high in 2 seconds, her legs are doing a minimum of 269.5 m/s of force. Minimum. Thats about mach 0.8, or just under supersonic. Note, Sakura had to rely on Chiyo's puppet arms to avoid sasori's iron sand needles. Debatable supersonic minimum since they left little sonic booms when they fired. She had no reactionary avoidance whatsoever. I don't believe she even has any transonic feats, which is what sandy is on the minimum right now.

[Vivi]

Just saying, Anchors weight do vary but 1-5 tons is BS.

There are some that weigh 60 Tons.

That's not even including chains.

Navy Sailors should know that best.

[Devils Lawyer]

For one that wasnt a modern anchor. Next 60 tons wouldnt be used on moving vessels that sounds like a permanant anchor for a stationed ship. So don't see the purpose of bringing up that fact. Two different types of anchors. Just pointing that out for now. The anchor sandy used is essentially an antique.

[Frost ninja]

You've got some reading to do, DL.
Or some surrendering, since I just debunked your entire argument about the depth and Sandy being slow.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by Vivi

Just saying, Anchors weight do vary but 1-5 tons is BS.

There are some that weigh 60 Tons.

That's not even including chains.

Navy Sailors should know that best.

DL is right on this one about them being old.
Iron Cast.
10-15 ft minimum.
No chains.

1-5 tons is a safe bet. Its all I needed for my point anyways, I could easily amp it up more but theres no need to.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

Just to note, even if they were so much as a tenth of a mile below the surface it would be 16.9 atmospheres of pressure, or basically 249 pounds of extra weight packed onto everything per square inch. This is being generous as, near continental shelfs, the water can dip as low as 3 miles. Considering they are in the Pacific ocean as well, the shelfs are actually low down. Bikini Atoll, the area that Bikini bottom is right underneath, is in fact towards the central Pacific. We can deduce from that exactly how deep Bikini bottom actually is, being in the area of ~500-1000 meters. This is generously low, being that the pacific ocean itself is about 13000m at its deepest.

This means its anywhere in the neighborhood of 700+psi to beyond 1000 psi. Even if they were the size depicted in the many "on shore" appearences, this only leads to be even more impressive as it means they are dealing with about 1400 lbs of pressure being only a meager 2 inches in height. Mind you, 15 psi shatters the human skull. We have creatures here dealing with some 47 times more psi at minimum, and throwing anchors 500-600 yds just off of power alone.

That means that the anchors are about (given the size of a normal anchor) 2500-3500 lbs (just over 1 ton, just under 2 tons) and standing at about 5-7 feet tall. If you apply 700 lbs per square inch of that structure, and then throw it 540 yrs, its comparable to throwing the same object without the pressure a total of 42000 yrds. This means the anchor weighs in the area of about 8400 lbs pressure included (height only) , or just over 4 tons.

To put it in better terms, The amount of force needed to throw an object that far under that much pressure, weight included... is in the area of 10 million N/m^2. It only takes about 1000N to decapitate someone. Food for thought, since the N of a 36 psi is in the area of about 165,000N in order to provide such power. Mind you, this is the minimum amount, going off of 500m. If we assume its about 1000m, give or take, the power goes far upwards.

Don't even get me started on the weight of boat-cars and buildings at that depth.


Every lb is equal to about 4.44N, and an atmosphere is equal to about 14.7psia. Since they are about 50 atmospheres down, this means the total psi for their reletive depth is about 735. Applying 735 psi to a 5ft object (once again, only going off of height) is equal to 735 x 60 or about 44,100 lbs of weight. Adding this to the base weight of the anchor (2500), it equals out to about 46,600 lbs, or about 23 tons.

46,600 x 4.44 = 206,904 N in one atmosphere of depth. Note again, they are about 50 atmospheres of depth down (+1 per 10m), so it coverts evenly to 222 N. 46,600 x 222 = 10 345 200N, which is equal to about 5,586,408,000J of work being done throwing it over a distance of 540m (~540 yrds).

Thats, in wordage, 5.5 billion joules. Mind you, one million joules is the equivalent of a 1000kg car hitting you going 100 mph. This anchor throw has the force equivalent to 5500 cars, all weighting 1000kg, and all going 100 mph crashing into the same exact spot at the exact same time. This is, ironically enough, the bare minimum.

This was done using only 500m depth, a 2500 lb anchor, and using the anchor at all as a low-end feat compared to her lifting up multi-story buildings in a panic. If we were to assume the other end of the spectrum, being 1000m depth, possibly 345,000 pound+ multi-story buildings being lifted off of their foundations and tossed aside like they were nothing.

Assuming the building is about 30 ft tall, 10 ft per story, and a bottom area of about .


1470 psi (100 atmospheres down) applied to v = pi25 (assuming all rooms are 5x5) x 30 = 2355 ft.
Converting that to inches, 28,260 x 1470 = 41,542,200 lbs.

41,542,200 x 4.44(100) = 18,444,736,800 N of force applied over ~5ft of area

92,223,684,000J Of work. 92 billion joules is in the area of about 1/133.4 the total Kenetic energy of the ISS (92,223,684,000 / 13,340,000,000,000 = 0.00691331964 ) which, mind you, is about 450,000kg and moves at 7.7 km/s in an area with minimal resistance. Thats pretty huge, and thats not even her greatest feat (The worm which dwarfed the city, yet was handily wrangled by Sandy, would probably be the highest)

Good lord there are calcs. Why are there calcs? Frost Ninja actually brought in calcs to a toon thread. This can't be serious. I was honestly shocked at the ridiculousness here, and at the same time it's hilarious.

Frost ninja do you understand the nature of a cartoon? Do you understand their inconsistencies, lack of adhering to logic, and the author's general disregard for scientific laws? Let me just make this clear...

You canNOT, i repeat CANNOT, use calcs in a toon thread. It is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen on this site. To use calcs for physics there are certain underlying things you must assume constant and others that must be established, things that cartoons CLEARLY don't give a sh*t about. This isn't the same as manga / anime or characters from serious western animated series that we usually debate. In those shows the creators clearly establish the nature of the universe their characters are inhabiting and often times make an effort to give scientific references so we can put all feats in perspective.

If you're going to accept physics and use calcs then I will assume you are minimizing the effects of toon force, therefore I will proceed to use powerscaling to end this thread.

Sakura Haruno>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>David Hasselhoff >>>>>> Bounty Hunter hired by Plankton >>>>> Spongebob who has beaten Sandy

I think I need more greater signs for the difference between Hasselhoff and Sakura.

Bugs bunny is Bugs bunny, thats a horrible example since the fellow has unseated and claimed the throne of god and literally wrote himself in as the omnipotent force of his own verse.

You completely missed the point. My example wasn't to show that Bugs Bunny could win, my example was to show that cartoons fall for some of the dumbest tricks in the book, so you guys saying "she's a brilliant scientist that makes rockets and stuff" doesn't counter the fact that cartoons lack common sense and would easily be outsmarted by us humans who wouldn't fall for Bugs Bunny-esque tricks. That was the reason for me mentioning Dexter and Jimmy Neutron who serve as prime examples.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

Good lord there are calcs. Why are there calcs? Frost Ninja actually brought in calcs to a toon thread. This can't be serious. I was honestly shocked at the ridiculousness here, and at the same time it's hilarious.

DL even said it, that the toon force itself is a non-factor, so I played to that as well.


Frost ninja do you understand the nature of a cartoon? Do you understand their inconsistencies, lack of adhering to logic, and the author's general disregard for scientific laws? Let me just make this clear...

Blah blah they take baths underwater, etc.


You canNOT, i repeat CANNOT, use calcs in a toon thread. It is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen on this site. To use calcs for physics there are certain underlying things you must assume constant and others that must be established, things that cartoons CLEARLY don't give a sh*t about. This isn't the same as manga / anime or characters from serious western animated series that we usually debate. In those shows the creators clearly establish the nature of the universe their characters are inhabiting and often times make an effort to give scientific references so we can put all feats in perspective.

Because we all know Kishimoto and Toriyama are all about giving scientific references and clearly establishing the nature of their universes. Am I right?


If you're going to accept physics and use calcs then I will assume you are minimizing the effects of toon force, therefore I will proceed to use powerscaling to end this thread.

Powerscaling is irrelevant in terms of actual feats. Its only used for long terms of no-appearence so the character can be judged fairly when they haven't had any fresh evidence to support them arise.

Also what you are doing isn't "powerscaling", its just comparison, and a bad one at that.


Sakura Haruno>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>David Hasselhoff >>>>>> Bounty Hunter hired by Plankton >>>>> Spongebob who has beaten Sandy

Sandy never fought hasslehoff, Spongebob is stated multiple multiple times to be far far weaker than Sandy. Show me spongebob beating her on average, and I'll respond with the Karate Island episode, the Musclebob episode, pretty much every episode as well. Its commonly known that spongebob = patrick from the fast food games, and patrick has never been better than Sandy.

A fencepost has beaten superman, by the same merit. Know what we call it? Low-end. Sandy being beaten by spongebob yet being so vastly physically and intellectually superior in every other reference would fall in as well.

So show me Sakura benching 3 of those Madara Meteors or reacting to something supersonic on her own account. Until then, take your lackluster comparisons out of here.



I think I need more greater signs for the difference between Hasselhoff and Sakura.

Too bad Sakura lacks this thing called feats. Show me Hasslehoff and sandy fighting and maybe I'll agree. Otherwise, no dice.

You completely missed the point. My example wasn't to show that Bugs Bunny could win, my example was to show that cartoons fall for some of the dumbest tricks in the book, so you guys saying "she's a brilliant scientist that makes rockets and stuff" doesn't counter the fact that cartoons lack common sense and would easily be outsmarted by us humans who wouldn't fall for Bugs Bunny-esque tricks. That was the reason for me mentioning Dexter and Jimmy Neutron who serve as prime examples.

Show me Sandy falling for some thing, because your doing a sweeping generalization fallacy.

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

DL is right on this one about them being old.
Iron Cast.
10-15 ft minimum.
No chains.

1-5 tons is a safe bet. Its all I needed for my point anyways, I could easily amp it up more but theres no need to.

Never denied it, just saying there are Anchors weighing so much.


On another note:

Sakura Haruno>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>David Hasselhoff >>>>>> Bounty Hunter hired by Plankton >>>>> Spongebob who has beaten Sandy

Obvious stupidity is obvious.

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

Sakura Haruno>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>David Hasselhoff >>>>>> Bounty Hunter hired by Plankton >>>>> Spongebob who has beaten Sandy

I think I need more greater signs for the difference between Hasselhoff and Sakura.

We cant use movies only canon feats

[Devils Lawyer]

Ok finally got a little time. Frost you are going to make me point out their height difference. Anything seen from their perspecrive is huge. If we went by sandy's perspective she the distance to the surface would be equal to our skyline. The anchor is how many times bigger than her? It looked to be the size of one of their buildings. So are you saying she lifted cast iron the size a small building no. No on the depth and no on the anchor. Yeah for all intents and purpose she is the same height as Sakura but the feat still needs to be viewed as is.

Furthermore the series doesn't even add water resistance to their movements. So the while subject is a moot point. So if we role with water resistance you have to take the feat for what it was. A small rodent picking up an anchor that would probably belong to that of a rowing boat or to her lifting a small building size anchor a few thousand meters deep. Which mean she could probably beat the hell out of Hody in op. Yeah good luck with your choices.

As for Sakura feats. Ch 269 pG 19- 20 her punching solid iron. Pg 18 showcases the density of said iron. Funny thing is it looks a lot bigger than the anchor no matter what perspective you take. Also looks like she ripped through solid stone in order to move it. Pretty sure stone offers resistance. I honestly didn't see this little twist in our back and for coming. Learn new things everyday huh.

Chapter 270 pg 8 also offers some Sakura news. Well I am done for now your move.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Ok finally got a little time. Frost you are going to make me point out their height difference. Anything seen from their perspecrive is huge. If we went by sandy's perspective she the distance to the surface would be equal to our skyline. The anchor is how many times bigger than her? It looked to be the size of one of their buildings. So are you saying she lifted cast iron the size a small building no. No on the depth and no on the anchor. Yeah for all intents and purpose she is the same height as Sakura but the feat still needs to be viewed as is.


From her perspective, yet from the ninja's perspective theres giant squids and armodillos, so how can we be sure they aren't around the same size? Spongebob is based on humans too, just not as strongly as naruto. Depth is still a yes, especially considering gravity has never shown to be explicitly different. The equation says 500 m. Prove it wrong?


Furthermore the series doesn't even add water resistance to their movements. So the while subject is a moot point. So if we role with water resistance you have to take the feat for what it was. A small rodent picking up an anchor that would probably belong to that of a rowing boat or to her lifting a small building size anchor a few thousand meters deep. Which mean she could probably beat the hell out of Hody in op. Yeah good luck with your choices.

Theres a reason you don't mess with texas. And they've done floaty things before, anything that flies through the water usually shows signs of "moving" through the water, I.E. resistance and it moving through it.


As for Sakura feats. Ch 269 pG 19- 20 her punching solid iron. Pg 18 showcases the density of said iron. Funny thing is it looks a lot bigger than the anchor no matter what perspective you take. Also looks like she ripped through solid stone in order to move it. Pretty sure stone offers resistance. I honestly didn't see this little twist in our back and for coming. Learn new things everyday huh.'


Iron sand.
18 is meh, proof me on how heavy that actually is though.
Punching through rock <<< Anchor feat under water pressure.
If you'd prefer we remove reality from spongebob, she beats Sakura with toonforce until its no longer funny, or as she said "until your ugly on an ape"

Chapter 270 pg 8 also offers some Sakura news. Well I am done for now your move.

What move? You haven't disproved anything yet.

[Devils Lawyer]

Your first response is weak from the ninja perspective Frost really. Unlike Spongebob they have shown animals at their natural proportions. Spongebob directly shows the inhabitants as small compared to the natural world. That means everything from their perspective is bigger. You can't disprove this fact it's canon as you can get.

You can count on one hand the number of floating instances compared to the crap that shouldn't happen underwater. Still haven't even thought about proving pressure.

Iron sand is essentially condensed Iron. Together if forms a solid Iron block. That much is obvious the way he shattered the floor. He would not be able to do it otherwise. Also you still have not proved the under pressure part everything points toward their being none. So good luck with that. As a matter of fact they even made balloons down there.

Toonforce is limited most toons move at basic levels of speed. You picked one feat out the series that suggest she has speed. But on the other hand it hardly shows. Sakura other hand it does. She could easily just slice sandy up surgeon style. That or administer a toxin. Also toonforce is not even really a power that can be harnessed it's random and a case by case thing. Often times contradicting. Toons die it's just funny when they do.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Your first response is weak from the ninja perspective Frost really. Unlike Spongebob they have shown animals at their natural proportions. Spongebob directly shows the inhabitants as small compared to the natural world. That means everything from their perspective is bigger. You can't disprove this fact it's canon as you can get.

When? Bar one cat and one squirrel, everything else is huge. Didn't Karin even get attacked by a gigantic bear? They have huge summons of everything, how do we know it isn't just normal animals? As for spongebob, it shows them being normal compared to their own natural world, and small compared to the world above them. Even if it is from a smaller perspective, that simply means they have even more force and speed than I thought since gravity doesn't lie.

But if you are going to bring up the "natural world", to my recollections, water resistance exists in it. Yet it doesn't below the sea? And baths underwater, etc. We can openly assume their world, as close to ours as it may be, doesn't operate the same. Thus we cannot assume that they are somehow the same as our world in perspective and not laws of nature.

If you are going to claim "water resistance" has no factoring in it, then you'd also have to accept they don't play by our rules, meaning those humans are, indeed, much larger than we might believe.



You can count on one hand the number of floating instances compared to the crap that shouldn't happen underwater. Still haven't even thought about proving pressure.

You mean water pressure? Simple, theres nothing that indicates that they are any different from us as far as physics go. They show gravity, momentum, so on and so forth.


Iron sand is essentially condensed Iron.

No, its essentially not. Its sand.

Together if forms a solid Iron block.

Made of sand.

That much is obvious the way he shattered the floor. He would not be able to do it otherwise. Also you still have not proved the under pressure part everything points toward their being none. So good luck with that. As a matter of fact they even made balloons down there.

They also make bubbles, your point? To survive down there, they would have to adapt to the higher pressure, I don't doubt their lungs might be able to pump out some heavy duty air.


Toonforce is limited most toons move at basic levels of speed. You picked one feat out the series that suggest she has speed. But on the other hand it hardly shows.

She has porting, and I've already shown how her legs can provide x force. Thus, they can provide x thrust by the same merit. She is 0.8 mach at minimum. Sakura hasn't reacted to anything close.

Sakura other hand it does. She could easily just slice sandy up surgeon style.

Except she can't. Never shown chakra scalpel as an offensive weapon used by her, and she lacks pretty much all reaction feats. You know how she "casually punched away that block"? You realize she pretty much got hit by it right beforehand.

That or administer a toxin.

Not standard equipment, doubtful it'd even work.

Also toonforce is not even really a power that can be harnessed it's random and a case by case thing.

Toonforce is basically a wide grasp per verse in which characters can do things otherwise impossible for the sake of comedy. One such thing being porting, which Sandy has done multiple times on top of generate brick walls out of nowhere, generate nuclear blasts, so on so forth.

Often times contradicting. Toons die it's just funny when they do.

Ever seen "who framed rodger rabbit?", you know they outline toons dying in that. Basically, long story short, unless you can outright erase the concept of humor from existance you can't kill them by normal means.

[Devils Lawyer]

I already said they don't follow our rules. I am pretty sure that is one of the first things I said. Sandy lifting that anchor hardly factors in water resistance or the pressure the deep sea. You know for a fact the verse doesn't work like that.

Next you say that Sakura has no reation feats she clearly dodges the attack. That is pure reaction. Almost doesn't matter. What matters is she did. ch 271 pg 16 she intercepts a full blitz aimed at chiyo. Her feats are limited but she has them.

Also lets not get into geology. The simple fact is it's solidified. Since the "sand " is composed iron it would still be in that weight range.

Toonforce shouldn't be rationalized it is nlf incarnate when get down to it. But at the same time they are extremely vulnerable. A fact most people who aregue toonforce seem to ignore. Yes killing them is hard. Even when you do they still exist just as toon ghost. But they sill die nonetheless which equates the win.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

I already said they don't follow our rules. I am pretty sure that is one of the first things I said. Sandy lifting that anchor hardly factors in water resistance or the pressure the deep sea. You know for a fact the verse doesn't work like that.

I know they have gravity, I know when things move through water they show signs of the water moving around them (water resisting) and they are in the deep sea. I can't help but accept the verse works like that. I don't care about how I feel, I care about what I know.

Next you say that Sakura has no reation feats she clearly dodges the attack. That is pure reaction. Almost doesn't matter. What matters is she did. ch 271 pg 16 she intercepts a full blitz aimed at chiyo. Her feats are limited but she has them.

She doesn't "clearly dodge it" since she shows signs of being injured at the impact of it. Also she was being strung along by chiyo. She may bounce back, yes, but she was hit by a large, easily visable, slow moving (Yes, the blocks had no sign of moving all that fast) block of sand.
As for the interception, where is it? 271-16 is where sasori shot out his wire for me.




Also lets not get into geology. The simple fact is it's solidified. Since the "sand " is composed iron it would still be in that weight range.

Not at all, especially since it is manipulated instead of dead weight. Also its not forced into a solid form, its simply magnetically gathered.


Toonforce shouldn't be rationalized it is nlf incarnate when get down to it. But at the same time they are extremely vulnerable. A fact most people who aregue toonforce seem to ignore. Yes killing them is hard. Even when you do they still exist just as toon ghost. But they sill die nonetheless which equates the win.

But you aren't killing sandy since, all things included, she is the same height, toonforce porting and nuke creating savvy, lifting multi-story buildings and moving 0.8 mach under normal atmosphere (not even counting the water pressure in her speed).

What honest argument do you really have left by this point?

[Devils Lawyer]

You just won't admit the verse doesn't show the attributes for your calc like that. The verse has no standards and limitations. So whatever you come up with good or bad will be off and highly unstable.

Next off the page of the dodge clearly shows Sakura doing a combat roll and getting back up. Next page immediately she sends the block skidding a good distance through solid stone. Which by the way proves how solid that iron block was. Straight solid all the way through. Also proving it's weight since it wasn't launched. Also I meant 270-16.

Lastly Sandy gets point blank speed blitzed toonforce or not. Which is weak on the toonforce scale anyways. All things considered you already know that Sakura is faster than sandy the fact that a genin can travel several regions within a day should have been obvious difference in the speed gap. Everything you are saying is just a circular notion. You may have calc her .8 but find anything that supports that speed. I mean her actually moving. Good luck with that. I will hold my breathe and wait. Don't let me die.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

You just won't admit the verse doesn't show the attributes for your calc like that. The verse has no standards and limitations. So whatever you come up with good or bad will be off and highly unstable.

You've yet to prove they don't have water resistance or water pressure, while I have all the proof I need for water pressure in the fact that she lives in a pressurized tree dome and walks around in a pressurized suit. This means whatever pressure is on texas differs from the water.


Next off the page of the dodge clearly shows Sakura doing a combat roll and getting back up. Next page immediately she sends the block skidding a good distance through solid stone. Which by the way proves how solid that iron block was. Straight solid all the way through. Also proving it's weight since it wasn't launched. Also I meant 270-16.

Can you proof me the exact weight? I can't see it being that heavy, since its just magnetized sand and all. It might have been solid-esque, sure. A mass of sand can do that, being held together like magnets would help in it. Also proof me on that combat roll? Because it looks more like she got tabbed by the AoE of the block.

Lastly Sandy gets point blank speed blitzed toonforce or not. Which is weak on the toonforce scale anyways. All things considered you already know that Sakura is faster than sandy the fact that a genin can travel several regions within a day should have been obvious difference in the speed gap. Everything you are saying is just a circular notion. You may have calc her .8 but find anything that supports that speed. I mean her actually moving. Good luck with that. I will hold my breathe and wait. Don't let me die.

Your statement about genin traveling several regions in a day is nifty, if we count travel time over the course of a day, I'm sure sandy can manage being just under supersonic. As for actually moving, its already common practice just off of how your legs work to know they can run about as hard as they can push. As for movement, she tranversed the entire area of bikini bottom in a mere few moments, climbed up a huge plateau before spongebob could get to it, she moves fast enough to cause fire and rip clothes off of people as she goes by them.

Show me something of Sakura actually matching the speed.

I mean matching 0.8, since your just splitting hairs about "oh but was she moving?". Show me something of sakura moving that fast, and I mean more than just travel time. Traveling a country in a day is as much equatable to a fight as running a marathon has to do with beating Usain Bolt in a 100m dash.

[Devils Lawyer]

Actually you don't have any proof whatsoever on the water pressure. For one there is the size difference compared to the surface. Two is the nonsense that foes on below that shouldn't happen. Sandy not dying is proof on that fact. Not the other way around.

The burden of proof is on you. You are disclaiming the iron. The attack in general is force incarnate mass times acceleration. If the sand didn't have the mass to match that level of damage to the field would be impossible. Also how is that not a combat roll she is straight up rolling out the way at the bottom of the page. In the following page she immediately follows through with a punch. It is all one continuous motion. Not only that she intercepted the puppet which was blitzing chiyo while she was down. At this point you are in straight denial.