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Old 12-04-2012, 06:59 PM   #21
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Sigh. I understand how toon forcing works and all but for each one of these high end feats you guys have, there's a low end once to counter it. There's also the problem that by nature of being a cartoon character she can be easily outsmarted by someone as shrewd as Sakura. But I think I'm just going to retire from this thread, it was a joke anyways.
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Sigh. I understand how toon forcing works and all but for each one of these high end feats you guys have, there's a low end once to counter it.

Except Sandy has no real "high ends", all of her feats are casual. Low ends aren't even low considering the weight of the water pressing down on her constantly.

There's also the problem that by nature of being a cartoon character she can be easily outsmarted by someone as shrewd as Sakura.

Considering her degree of intelligence via being a top considered scientist, etc etc, I don't see Sakura beating her out.

But I think I'm just going to retire from this thread, it was a joke anyways.
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They are not really that deep underwater so there is no significant water pressure. Also no spongebob characters is big at all. I don't even watch the show. But I remember spongebob being shown as the actual size of a sponge. Sandy is also small.
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Except Sandy has no real "high ends", all of her feats are casual. Low ends aren't even low considering the weight of the water pressing down on her constantly.
Like Devil's Lawyer said they aren't take deep, did you not forget the episode "Hooks" they are right next to a sand bar, a fisherman was just sitting there with a line that stretched to their floors.

They are high end, your excuse for her losing to Spongebob was that it doesn't matter because of water pressure, well now that argument's done.

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It's cartoons, even geniuses like Jimmy Neutron and Dexter who have scientific achievements that put Nobel Prize winners to shame can fall for tricks Bugs Bunny has been using since the 50's. Sandy is no different. Did you not see her get trolled as the Invisible Girl that episode where they all got powers.

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They are not really that deep underwater so there is no significant water pressure. Also no spongebob characters is big at all. I don't even watch the show. But I remember spongebob being shown as the actual size of a sponge. Sandy is also small.

You've seen the rock bottom episode, yes?
That trench housed Anglerfish, the likes of which (as well as the other creatures) live about a good mile or more below the ocean's surface.

The pressure 1 mile down is over 2,280 pounds of force on every square inch of area, and Rock Bottom isn't all that much deeper than Bikini Bottom is. Even if it were, say, half the distance (unlikely due to the size of the plateaus in the area) That would still be a half ton of water pressure pressing down on everything, from Anchors (weighing in the area of 1-5 tons) to teddy bears.

As to the height, theres a plethora of episodes involving the character "Pearl", whom is a whale. Even a juvenile whale is quite large, and Sandy stands at about 5/8th of Pearl's height minus her helmet. True, they seem smaller for comedy relief purposes, however that aside they scale pretty well by direct comparison. Above this, since there is no "real world" scaling for Naruto, we would have to assume they are around the same height areas.

So yes, there is a significant amount of pressure and no, the people of the cast are not all that small.


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Like Devil's Lawyer said they aren't take deep, did you not forget the episode "Hooks" they are right next to a sand bar, a fisherman was just sitting there with a line that stretched to their floors.

Bikini bottom is a very large area, spanning very many miles with a dynamic layout as far as the area is concerned. Theres several mountains, continental slopes, forests, etc.


They are high end, your excuse for her losing to Spongebob was that it doesn't matter because of water pressure, well now that argument's done.

See above, even if they were half the distance higher than Rock bottom's minimal distance (being 1 mile) theres still half a ton of water pressure per square inch.






It's cartoons, even geniuses like Jimmy Neutron and Dexter who have scientific achievements that put Nobel Prize winners to shame can fall for tricks Bugs Bunny has been using since the 50's. Sandy is no different. Did you not see her get trolled as the Invisible Girl that episode where they all got powers.

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Bugs bunny is Bugs bunny, thats a horrible example since the fellow has unseated and claimed the throne of god and literally wrote himself in as the omnipotent force of his own verse.

Sandy wasn't trolled like the rest of the cast, she simply had horrible happenstance. Getting hit by a highspeed car, falling off of a mountain, and being fine afterwards is a tanking feat to be noted.



Just to note, even if they were so much as a tenth of a mile below the surface it would be 16.9 atmospheres of pressure, or basically 249 pounds of extra weight packed onto everything per square inch. This is being generous as, near continental shelfs, the water can dip as low as 3 miles. Considering they are in the Pacific ocean as well, the shelfs are actually low down. Bikini Atoll, the area that Bikini bottom is right underneath, is in fact towards the central Pacific. We can deduce from that exactly how deep Bikini bottom actually is, being in the area of ~500-1000 meters. This is generously low, being that the pacific ocean itself is about 13000m at its deepest.

This means its anywhere in the neighborhood of 700+psi to beyond 1000 psi. Even if they were the size depicted in the many "on shore" appearences, this only leads to be even more impressive as it means they are dealing with about 1400 lbs of pressure being only a meager 2 inches in height. Mind you, 15 psi shatters the human skull. We have creatures here dealing with some 47 times more psi at minimum, and throwing anchors 500-600 yds just off of power alone.

That means that the anchors are about (given the size of a normal anchor) 2500-3500 lbs (just over 1 ton, just under 2 tons) and standing at about 5-7 feet tall. If you apply 700 lbs per square inch of that structure, and then throw it 540 yrs, its comparable to throwing the same object without the pressure a total of 42000 yrds. This means the anchor weighs in the area of about 8400 lbs pressure included (height only) , or just over 4 tons.

To put it in better terms, The amount of force needed to throw an object that far under that much pressure, weight included... is in the area of 10 million N/m^2. It only takes about 1000N to decapitate someone. Food for thought, since the N of a 36 psi is in the area of about 165,000N in order to provide such power. Mind you, this is the minimum amount, going off of 500m. If we assume its about 1000m, give or take, the power goes far upwards.

Don't even get me started on the weight of boat-cars and buildings at that depth.


Every lb is equal to about 4.44N, and an atmosphere is equal to about 14.7psia. Since they are about 50 atmospheres down, this means the total psi for their reletive depth is about 735. Applying 735 psi to a 5ft object (once again, only going off of height) is equal to 735 x 60 or about 44,100 lbs of weight. Adding this to the base weight of the anchor (2500), it equals out to about 46,600 lbs, or about 23 tons.

46,600 x 4.44 = 206,904 N in one atmosphere of depth. Note again, they are about 50 atmospheres of depth down (+1 per 10m), so it coverts evenly to 222 N. 46,600 x 222 = 10 345 200N, which is equal to about 5,586,408,000J of work being done throwing it over a distance of 540m (~540 yrds).

Thats, in wordage, 5.5 billion joules. Mind you, one million joules is the equivalent of a 1000kg car hitting you going 100 mph. This anchor throw has the force equivalent to 5500 cars, all weighting 1000kg, and all going 100 mph crashing into the same exact spot at the exact same time. This is, ironically enough, the bare minimum.

This was done using only 500m depth, a 2500 lb anchor, and using the anchor at all as a low-end feat compared to her lifting up multi-story buildings in a panic. If we were to assume the other end of the spectrum, being 1000m depth, possibly 345,000 pound+ multi-story buildings being lifted off of their foundations and tossed aside like they were nothing.

Assuming the building is about 30 ft tall, 10 ft per story, and a bottom area of about .


1470 psi (100 atmospheres down) applied to v = pi25 (assuming all rooms are 5x5) x 30 = 2355 ft.
Converting that to inches, 28,260 x 1470 = 41,542,200 lbs.

41,542,200 x 4.44(100) = 18,444,736,800 N of force applied over ~5ft of area

92,223,684,000J Of work. 92 billion joules is in the area of about 1/133.4 the total Kenetic energy of the ISS (92,223,684,000 / 13,340,000,000,000 = 0.00691331964 ) which, mind you, is about 450,000kg and moves at 7.7 km/s in an area with minimal resistance. Thats pretty huge, and thats not even her greatest feat (The worm which dwarfed the city, yet was handily wrangled by Sandy, would probably be the highest)
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LOL I usually love using Toon Force to come up with creative ideas for wins but other than Spongebob and Patrick with their ridiculous regen. none of the other characters really have ridiculous feats that would make them deadly. Sakura's too strong here.
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You've seen the rock bottom episode, yes?
That trench housed Anglerfish, the likes of which (as well as the other creatures) live about a good mile or more below the ocean's surface.

The pressure 1 mile down is over 2,280 pounds of force on every square inch of area, and Rock Bottom isn't all that much deeper than Bikini Bottom is. Even if it were, say, half the distance (unlikely due to the size of the plateaus in the area) That would still be a half ton of water pressure pressing down on everything, from Anchors (weighing in the area of 1-5 tons) to teddy bears.

As to the height, theres a plethora of episodes involving the character "Pearl", whom is a whale. Even a juvenile whale is quite large, and Sandy stands at about 5/8th of Pearl's height minus her helmet. True, they seem smaller for comedy relief purposes, however that aside they scale pretty well by direct comparison. Above this, since there is no "real world" scaling for Naruto, we would have to assume they are around the same height areas.

So yes, there is a significant amount of pressure and no, the people of the cast are not all that small.


Towards your first point even if we use the normal enviroment of anglerfish as a focal point. You have no clue how deep that was(especially considering there are underwater pockets that block out sunlight long before you get that deep) or if the anglerfish was in it's normal habitat.

Also as far as the bikini bottom depth is massively shy of the 1 mile depth. Especially considering there was entire episode of where patrick and spongebob were playing on real world fishing lines. So yeah good luck with proving the depth on that.

Time to address your second point the whale. There is several more episodes that contradict the size of pearl. Mainly the several episodes showing spongebob real time. He is no more than the size of a regular sponge. So either pearl is the world smallest whale or she is an outlier. The show contradicted any viable combat feats once the sponge left the water.

Also the scaling of Naruto is unnecessary. They are based off of human beings. Unless contradicted otherwise that is their scale size. The cast of spongebob are animals and directly compared to the actual size of them. As a matter of fact they are smaller.
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Towards your first point even if we use the normal enviroment of anglerfish as a focal point. You have no clue how deep that was(especially considering there are underwater pockets that block out sunlight long before you get that deep) or if the anglerfish was in it's normal habitat.


Prove to me it wasn't then. I've given the evidence of the inhabitants as well as the continental shelf-esque drop off. Wheres your point?

Also as far as the bikini bottom depth is massively shy of the 1 mile depth. Especially considering there was entire episode of where patrick and spongebob were playing on real world fishing lines. So yeah good luck with proving the depth on that.


Considering the place spans well over the area of a tri-city esque area, including a goo lagoon, Rock bottom, stadiums, amusement parks, forests, plateaus in sight of the Krusty Krab, an assortment of eateries, etc. Its not a stretch to say some areas are more shallow than others. I've already given my proof via the location and the general state of the Pacific Ocean's depth towards its center. My 500m minimum measurements aren't as much of a stretch than the entirety of their area being in less.

Time to address your second point the whale. There is several more episodes that contradict the size of pearl. Mainly the several episodes showing spongebob real time. He is no more than the size of a regular sponge. So either pearl is the world smallest whale or she is an outlier. The show contradicted any viable combat feats once the sponge left the water.

Considering they are used by human hands and yet have no knowledge of such creatures or their devices, Crabs lost his entire suit when going above water, them being obviously attached to sticks, and etc. We can take the "above water" size feats with a hearty laugh. Its for comedy, mainly for the point that they aren't intended in the slightest to be actual feats. Above this, Spongebob is more scaled around the main part of their verse.

Humans to us, yes. To them, titans.

Also the scaling of Naruto is unnecessary. They are based off of human beings. Unless contradicted otherwise that is their scale size. The cast of spongebob are animals and directly compared to the actual size of them. As a matter of fact they are smaller.
Considering they have islands of "giant squids" and etc, its easily possible they are in fact much smaller than normal animals and thus would be smaller than most of the Spongebob cast.
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Actually didn't give evidence of the level of drop you are suggesting. Not only that spongebob being an aquatic animal makes that a pointless subject. He could easily adapt to that level of pressure him being a sponge and. Sandy is not.

Actual the place doesn't countless object from above the surface has drop below. They are all massively smaller. The area in actuality could simply be a large grove. Which could be massive from their perspective. Also 500 m is not that impressive. Sandy would be the only one the feat applies if it's proven. Which is doubtful. Pretty sure there was an episode with a scuba diver

The same way you laugh off their above ground forms. You can laugh off toonforce in general. Which shouldn't be rationalized in the first place. For every feat you name
there is a contradiction to go against it. For instance you named pearl I can name plankton.

You know I can actually argue for Sakura quite easily to be honest even if all feats are legit. She is obviously massively faster than sandy. Her punch should be above the anchor toss. Not only that her chakra scapel would take sandy head off quite cleanly.
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Actually didn't give evidence of the level of drop you are suggesting. Not only that spongebob being an aquatic animal makes that a pointless subject. He could easily adapt to that level of pressure him being a sponge and. Sandy is not.

Sandy has stood without her suit in more than one instance.

Actual the place doesn't countless object from above the surface has drop below. They are all massively smaller. The area in actuality could simply be a large grove. Which could be massive from their perspective. Also 500 m is not that impressive. Sandy would be the only one the feat applies if it's proven. Which is doubtful. Pretty sure there was an episode with a scuba diver.

They do countless above-below shots of the ocean's surface so its not a grove. The pencils could be those of titans. I don't doubt the size of Galactus's pencil is bigger than an average human.

The same way you laugh off their above ground forms. You can laugh off toonforce in general. Which shouldn't be rationalized in the first place. For every feat you name
there is a contradiction to go against it. For instance you named pearl I can name plankton.

Thats a big plankton, but more to the point lets assume she is in fact only the size of a regular squirrel. She still applied huge amounts of force.


You know I can actually argue for Sakura quite easily to be honest even if all feats are legit. She is obviously massively faster than sandy.

Proof? To my recollection, she has no speed feats. Sandy at least has toonforce porting. That and more than enough power to obliterate Sakura with even a casual strike.

Her punch should be above the anchor toss.

HAHAHAHAHAHA... ok then. Prove Sakura can pull 10 billion N/m^2 of force on anything ever. Or even anything to match the anchor feat.

Heck, show her lifting anything above a ton.

Not only that her chakra scapel would take sandy head off quite cleanly.
She has to aim it, and Sandy has wrangled worms that are probably (by the size scaling you have set) a bit bigger than Sakura's arm. Sakura is more like to decapitate herself should Sandy be bloodlusted.

On the further note, What can Sakura do exactly? Her actual attacks can just be blocked or held by Sandy, even given her smaller size.
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Never even mentioned the suit. Which proves nothing at all. Neither for or against.

Too bad Galactus pencil is not canon. But them being the size of a can of tuna is. Humans being titans to them hardly matters. It's a direct real world comparison which is where feats come from so...

Not really her feat is totally random. The depth unknown. The weight of the anchor unknown. Especially the anchor in question was that of an old design. The kind that used to be hauled on old ships. Why I sayold think George washington. Lol at the 1-5 tons by the way. So yeah it can be impressive but how so nowhere near what you are coming up with.

She kept up and reacted with to a degree sasori>chiyo>Naruto. Even with generic genin speed she should still speedblitz sandy before she foes anything.

The anchor feat is nothing also wanking much her strength. She doesn't need a ton though the impact from her fist should easily surpass that. Not much generates that type of force beleive it or not in real life.

Sandy tanking those attacks has yet to be proven. I know for a fact she is not tanking a chakra scapel or any blade for that matter.
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Since when did sakura ever use chakra scapel? :S
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Since when did sakura ever use chakra scapel? :S
It's basic Medic Jutsu and part of Sakuras treatment of Kankuro when he was poisoned.
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Never even mentioned the suit. Which proves nothing at all. Neither for or against.

At whatever depth she was at, she instantly went from a pressurized controlled environment straight into an uncontrolled underwater pressure environment. Stuff like that, the change in pressures, is enough to give people bends, make fish vomit out their stomachs, kill most anything or anyone subjected to it that rapidly.


Too bad Galactus pencil is not canon. But them being the size of a can of tuna is. Humans being titans to them hardly matters. It's a direct real world comparison which is where feats come from so...

Theres plenty of inconsistance with your ideals as well. Namely him living in a two-story pineapple and being about 1/5th of the height of it, yet him being the size of an adult human hand which would be about 1/2 the height of it. We have to go off of the verse's rules, being humans are probably much larger than we are. Using regular human beings for the exampling is a funny way to put it, but then so is lily flowers in the ocean's background. And the talking whales.


Not really her feat is totally random. The depth unknown. The weight of the anchor unknown. Especially the anchor in question was that of an old design. The kind that used to be hauled on old ships. Why I sayold think George washington. Lol at the 1-5 tons by the way. So yeah it can be impressive but how so nowhere near what you are coming up with.

Then prove me wrong. You can assume it all you want, but I don't care about what you think. I care about what you can show for it. I've given my evidence, so wheres yours? Also 1-5 tons would be standard for an iron cast admirality era ship anchor.


She kept up and reacted with to a degree sasori>chiyo>Naruto. Even with generic genin speed she should still speedblitz sandy before she foes anything.

She didn't even come close to any of those people you listed. She was strung along by chiyo for the entire fight, bar one jump over a bunch of featless puppets sinbad style. Naruto lolno, never. Never ever.

Sandy has toonforce porting, even assuming she is 2 inches she still ports around 6-7 feet at a time minimum which means Sakura won't be able to blitz her before getting a foam hand cutting through her jugular.


The anchor feat is nothing also wanking much her strength. She doesn't need a ton though the impact from her fist should easily surpass that. Not much generates that type of force beleive it or not in real life.

Then prove it to me. I've yet to see her do anything that showcases that kind of power, especially not her lifting up multi-story buildings casually, something in the neighborhood of 18x more power than the anchor, which is in the neighborhood of 23x more powerful than anything Sakura has shown.

Sandy tanking those attacks has yet to be proven. I know for a fact she is not tanking a chakra scapel or any blade for that matter.
She doesn't have to tank it. She lassos the wrist and pulls it back to Sakura if not completely hogties her and grills her like a steak.


All I see from you are assumptions, I need some evidence if you want to be taken seriously in this. Or just leave, I know you aren't actually here to debate the match so much as be a beast of burden.
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You argument on the depth and height is pretty funny. There are several episodes that contradict and puts them casually close to the surface. The fishing lines, the dare of going on land, and even the movie shows this. But it doesn't even matter especially if we take your view on their height. It only solidifies the fact they don't follow our rules. So what makes you think their deep sea equates ours? Several aquatic creatures that don't operate at that depth appear. So either the pressure does not exist or they are not at depth you are suggesting.

Next up the anchor. An admiralty doesn't get up to 1-5 tons. That size is usually designated for ships anchors that are never moving. You might wanna check your facts. Real once a month sailor right here. UsNavy say it all together.

Sakura is the Tsunade in feats I see. You forget midway through their fight against Sasori 3rd kazekage puppet she took control of her own movements. Chiyo was the one who said this. Also you do know I am talking about base 2 gaara arc Naruto speed. Anyways porting hardly matters if she can casually dodge and react.

Sakura's destructive capabilites are obviously higher see bell test part 2 for reference the crater demonstrates that. Not only that I am pretty sure Sasori puppet sent a solid giant block of Iron at her. She sent it flying casually with her punch. Mind you the object was coming at her at highspeed. Sounds better than the the anchor and a building lift. Lifting strength does not equate force you need speed too by the way. I am sure you are aware of this though.

But all this doesn't matter because at the end of the day Sakura can just touch Sandy's heart with a chakra scapel and call it a day.
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It's basic Medic Jutsu and part of Sakuras treatment of Kankuro when he was poisoned.
Yes but i dont get why people think its for offensive purposes. Its not. Kabuto was the exception as clearly stated by tsunade the queen of the entire medical world. On top of that no other medical nin except for kabuto has been seen using it offensively.

I dont get why people think everyone can use chakra scapel like that.
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So you are saying a doctor can't use a scapel ? That's just stupid no offense.In combat and out of it the use is the same.
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Sorry I haven't posted in a while.
I'm still waiting for evidence, without it you don't have much except pokes with no weight to them.
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