The Five Kage's vs Madara

[BMC1994]

Was a not in lightning armor when we left them off (dont really remember it).

Regardless of that what do the other kages really have what could harm madara while in susanoo or its perfect variant.

The only thing which would potentially hurt him dust style would get preta'd

Edit: Would madara still get meteors?

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Was a not in lightning armor when we left them off (dont really remember it).

Regardless of that what do the other kages really have what could harm madara while in susanoo or its perfect variant.

The only thing which would potentially hurt him dust style would get preta'd

Edit: Would madara still get meteors?

Susano'o doesn't matter, he dies from speedblitz and he can't use Preta Path and Susano'o simultaneously. That's how Onoki managed to destroy the clones and the Kages took advantage of this fact when they used their combo attack. Gaara's sand was the physical component meant to restrain Madara in case of Preta Path and Mei, Onoki, and A's attacks were to destroy him and Susano'o if he tried to create it.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Was a not in lightning armor when we left them off (dont really remember it).

Regardless of that what do the other kages really have what could harm madara while in susanoo or its perfect variant.

The only thing which would potentially hurt him dust style would get preta'd

Edit: Would madara still get meteors?

As long as it has nothing to do with Hashirama's cells then he can have it, that means no wood style and if he got his rinnegan as a result of hashirama's cells then he can't have that either.

I don't think meteors would really help him because he was only able to pull it off as an edo tensei, otherwise he would have died because the meteor landed on him as well.

It depends on rather or not the meteors were a result of Hashirama's cells, if not then they are completely usable.

[Bijuubomb]

Madara... he too goot for people who can't even beat naruto

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

Susano'o doesn't matter, he dies from speedblitz and he can't use Preta Path and Susano'o simultaneously. That's how Onoki managed to destroy the clones and the Kages took advantage of this fact when they used their combo attack. Gaara's sand was the physical component meant to restrain Madara in case of Preta Path and Mei, Onoki, and A's attacks were to destroy him and Susano'o if he tried to create it.

And how would madara even get speedblitzed because he is keeping up with BM naruto and kept up with A just fine. If there is any way they are winning it is not speedblitz.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

And how would madara even get speedblitzed because he is keeping up with BM naruto and kept up with A just fine. If there is any way they are winning it is not speedblitz.

He didn't keep up with A, he got blitzed twice before he decided to keep up Susano'o the entire fight to keep it from happening again. He reacted to BM Naruto by getting his guard up he didn't dodge or run away he just had a counter technique to own him. Not to mention although he does have the capability to speedblitz Naruto hasn't demonstrated the ability to the level of A or Minato. Most likely because he probably isn't accustomed to it and in battle he hasn't displayed the reaction speed to match it like they have. For example, despite having superior speed, Bee had to save Naruto numerous times from the Edo jinchuuriki because Naruto wasn't quick enough to respond to various jutsu.

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

He didn't keep up with A, he got blitzed twice before he decided to keep up Susano'o the entire fight to keep it from happening again. He reacted to BM Naruto by getting his guard up he didn't dodge or run away he just had a counter technique to own him. Not to mention although he does have the capability to speedblitz Naruto hasn't demonstrated the ability to the level of A or Minato. Most likely because he probably isn't accustomed to it and in battle he hasn't displayed the reaction speed to match it like they have. For example, despite having superior speed, Bee had to save Naruto numerous times from the Edo jinchuuriki because Naruto wasn't quick enough to respond to various jutsu.

If he can get his guard up against BM naruto im sure the kages would not any problem. Naruto has shown reaction speed to react to A in their brief skirmish.
Still none of these kages match a's or bm narutos speed. So they wont be speedblitzing him.

Defeat him in some other way sure but he is not getting speedblitzed.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

If he can get his guard up against BM naruto im sure the kages would not any problem. Naruto has shown reaction speed to react to A in their brief skirmish.
Still none of these kages match a's or bm narutos speed. So they wont be speedblitzing him.

Defeat him in some other way sure but he is not getting speedblitzed.

Dude, why are you ignoring Minato's speed?

[PrinceofPeace]

This is sorta off topic but how can "this go either way" or how can a battle "tie"

Yes their are some situtaions but this is VERY rare and unless someone has a sucidal move that could kill everyone then this will not be a tie

Of course the battle could go either way!! This is a tough battle but by voting for that it really is not an answer as to who would win

The only ties in Naruto were against Muu and 2MK... if I recall correctly

So just vote for who you think would win IMO

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

This is sorta off topic but how can "this go either way" or how can a battle "tie"

Yes their are some situtaions but this is VERY rare and unless someone has a sucidal move that could kill everyone then this will not be a tie

Of course the battle could go either way!! This is a tough battle but by voting for that it really is not an answer as to who would win

The only ties in Naruto were against Muu and 2MK... if I recall correctly

So just vote for who you think would win IMO

Well I think the five kages win, if worse comes to worse then the other 4 kages will hold Madara off while Minato uses reaper death seal.

[cnorwood]

It depends are they in character or not? Because a bloodlusted madara would stomp. If they use minato correctly they might have a chance.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

This is sorta off topic but how can "this go either way" or how can a battle "tie"

Yes their are some situtaions but this is VERY rare and unless someone has a sucidal move that could kill everyone then this will not be a tie

Of course the battle could go either way!! This is a tough battle but by voting for that it really is not an answer as to who would win

The only ties in Naruto were against Muu and 2MK... if I recall correctly

So just vote for who you think would win IMO

Saying it could go either way id basically my way of saying that it could be tie, but none of these people would settle for a tie so even if it's by an inch someones going to end up winning and if you're no sure who would win then just vote that it could go either way.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

If he can get his guard up against BM naruto im sure the kages would not any problem. Naruto has shown reaction speed to react to A in their brief skirmish.
Still none of these kages match a's or bm narutos speed. So they wont be speedblitzing him.

Defeat him in some other way sure but he is not getting speedblitzed.

Minato is faster than A, and getting his guard up will be useless against Third Raikage who can cut through anything. Moreover, I don't think you really addressed the points I made in my original post so I'm putting it here again...

He didn't keep up with A, he got blitzed twice before he decided to keep up Susano'o the entire fight to keep it from happening again. He reacted to BM Naruto by getting his guard up he didn't dodge or run away he just had a counter technique to own him. Not to mention although he does have the capability to speedblitz Naruto hasn't demonstrated the ability to the level of A or Minato. Most likely because he probably isn't accustomed to it and in battle he hasn't displayed the reaction speed to match it like they have. For example, despite having superior speed, Bee had to save Naruto numerous times from the Edo jinchuuriki because Naruto wasn't quick enough to respond to various jutsu.

Naruto jumped in the air and was bringing his attack down onto Madara. Jumping slows people down, it's like how everyone was saying Gaara's sand was as fast as A but then he demonstrated during the war that it obviously wasn't the case. Just like A's Guillotine Drop was not comparable to his actual speed because he was just falling down, Naruto's attack wasn't his full speed. And this is in addition to everything I mentioned about Naruto not using his speedblitz because of his reaction ability.

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

Dude, why are you ignoring Minato's speed?

Ow yeah youre right totally forgot about that XDI just had an image of the former edo kages (which didnt include minato in my head) XD.Still what can minato do?

His rasengan would get preta'd if he gets that.
Even if not he can uchiha gaesha any rasengan that comes at him. Or just use his susanoo.

And i doubt madara would succumb to some kunai strikes.

Bunta would also not do much since he would get sliced (in the worst case by PS).

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

Minato is faster than A, and getting his guard up will be useless against Third Raikage who can cut through anything. Moreover, I don't think you really addressed the points I made in my original post so I'm putting it here again...

Naruto jumped in the air and was bringing his attack down onto Madara. Jumping slows people down, it's like how everyone was saying Gaara's sand was as fast as A but then he demonstrated during the war that it obviously wasn't the case. Just like A's Guillotine Drop was not comparable to his actual speed because he was just falling down, Naruto's attack wasn't his full speed. And this is in addition to everything I mentioned about Naruto not using his speedblitz because of his reaction ability.

As much as i would like to belief that what has the 3rd raikage actually cut with his 'ultimate spear' which compares to susanoo ?
I thought i did adress it but ill try to be clearer this time.

My point was Madara still has the reaction feats to deal with 4 of the 5 kages (its true that i forgot minato). (The 3rd raikage doesnt have impressive speed feats even in lightning armor as far as i remember).

As i said above i do not see what danger minato would pose even with his speed.
And Madara clearly managed to tag A (We can atleast be sure that it was atleast in base) who is nearly equal in speed to minato.

I am not an expert physicist or something but wouldnt falling down increases his momentum?

I am not saying that madara wins i am just saying he wont get speedblitzed considering who he has fought up until now.

[Godaime Kazekage]

I agree with BMC that Madara likely wouldn't get killed with an initial blitz, but there is still no way he's winning this fight. He could probably just barely react and defend against a blitz from Minato and 3RK, but Minato would likely get off a tag on him. Madara has no knowledge of Minato's abilities, so after Minato places the tag he can warp to him at anytime and hit him with a Rasengan to the brain or slit his throat with a kunai. If that were to fail for some reason there's always the 2nd Mizukage's genjutsu which just makes Madara a sitting target with no way to locate his opponents. He can camp in Susano'o, but he's gonna get obliterated by Jinton then, as demonstrated by the fight w/ the current Kage he can't switch from Susano'o to Preta in time to stop it. Alternatively he can just keep Preta activated but then he's gonna get wrecked by a punch from the 3RK or a kunai to the throat or heart from Minato.

[Nigoyukai]

The Kages have this if they're all non-Edo (assuming this is prime non-Edo, and not the aged Madara). He's deprived of his meteor jutsu (unless he's stupid, he won't kill himself) and Mokuton. He's left with EMS and Rinnegen, but to win this fight he needs Perfect Susanoo which requires charge time. Time he does not have and the Susanoo will br broken down very quickly anyway. Muu can just go invisible and atomize him (or actually shoot a Jinton at him from a distance). The only thing useful Nidaime has to contribute is Jokey Boy, and that's something Madara will not have trouble with. Madara can avoid a blitz from Sandaime Raikage, but Sandaime can one-shot and he's not getting put down by Madara anyway (does he have thse sealing pot?). I forgot the extent of the 4th Kazekage's "gold particle" ability. And Minato is a given with his instant teleportation and translocation.

All those Kages have the necessary fighting experience and coorperative powers to combat Madara and quickly take him down.

If Madara has the Kyuubi, the battle switches to his side.,

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Ow yeah youre right totally forgot about that XDI just had an image of the former edo kages (which didnt include minato in my head) XD.Still what can minato do?

His rasengan would get preta'd if he gets that.
Even if not he can uchiha gaesha any rasengan that comes at him. Or just use his susanoo.

And i doubt madara would succumb to some kunai strikes.

Bunta would also not do much since he would get sliced (in the worst case by PS).




As much as i would like to belief that what has the 3rd raikage actually cut with his 'ultimate spear' which compares to susanoo ?
I thought i did adress it but ill try to be clearer this time.

My point was Madara still has the reaction feats to deal with 4 of the 5 kages (its true that i forgot minato). (The 3rd raikage doesnt have impressive speed feats even in lightning armor as far as i remember).

As i said above i do not see what danger minato would pose even with his speed.
And Madara clearly managed to tag A (We can atleast be sure that it was atleast in base) who is nearly equal in speed to minato.

I am not an expert physicist or something but wouldnt falling down increases his momentum?

I am not saying that madara wins i am just saying he wont get speedblitzing consering who he has fought up until now.

Third Raikage dodged FRS twice, once at point blank range. That is one of the highest tier speed feats in the show.

No falling down does not increase your momentum. A car going forward at 70 miles per hour has more momentum than that same car just being dropped down.

We don't know how he managed to tag A because it was off panel. For all we know, A could've gotten distracted again by his crush on Tsunade. They could've been fighting and he might've seen her get ripped in half and freaked out. Who knows?

You and Godaime are both demonstrating that aversion to speedblitzing in high level battles that I see so much. Often times when someone is at least S class in a thread people strongly resist them getting speedblitzed because it seems like a cheap way to end the fight. Madara demonstrated that other than getting his basic guard up he cannot avoid a speedblitz. A tagged him twice. If he wasn't an Edo he probably would've broken his arms.

Minato and TRK can still blitz him and tear him to shreds with their first attacks. Rasengan and Nukite and he's dead. Even if he gets his guard up he dies. He has no counter here.

But I will continue the debate because I know people won't want to accept this. Even if he does by some miracle survive the speedblitz, this is non-Edo Madara. That means no inifinite chakra, no Mokuton, no Rinnegan. Even with EMS, Susano'o takes a boatload of chakra. There's no way on Earth he outlasts TRK.

Meanwhile, Second Mizukage's genjutsu just makes this overkill. Why does everyone ignore the Second Mizukage? I just don't understand. This was the guy fans were making memes of Itachi getting trolled for. His jutsu is utter mindrape for someone without an AoE attack, and in a team fight with a man with amazing defensive capabilities and an S/T ninjutsu user Madara has no way of finding and ending it. He won't touch the Kages here. Muu and TRK can constantly destroy Susano'o every time it forms and as soon as it's destroyed Minato pops in and b**** slaps Madara until he quits. Gaara's dad just chills in the back watching the clam sit there.

Madara wants to use Amaterasu, oh wow Minato and TRK are too fast, Muu goes invisible, it's just the Second Mizukage's mirage, a giant mound of gold dust gets in the way.

Madara wants to use genjutsu, oh wow Minato has a seal on all the kages and just owns Madara in the world's most useless game of freeze tag, he can't see Muu to target him, and Mizukage's already got him in a genjutsu.

Madara wants to use Susano'o, oh wow Fourth Kazekage has a tsunami of gold dust coming his way, TRK cuts straight through it and into Madara's chest, Muu erases it effortlessly.

Madara wants to use Perfect Susano'o, oh wow give Muu a bigger target, Mizukage's genjutsu has him swinging at air, TRK hits it with black lightning and cuts straight through it, Mizukage uses his chakra for Jokey Boy and has his water-oil clone blowing up for hours on end constantly destroying it until Madara no longer has the chakra to repair it.

Madara's got nothing here. If it weren't for the fact that he can last so long I'd call this a stomp.

[Cult of Personality]

Why would the Kages not being Edo Tenseis increase their chances of winning?

[Devils Lawyer]

This is actually a pretty good one. The only threat to Madara I see is the third raikage. He woild most likely survey susanoo. But sharigan genjutsu should pull the win. The rest by Madara would all get decimated by Madara' s susanoo.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

This is actually a pretty good one. The only threat to Madara I see is the third raikage. He woild most likely survey susanoo. But sharigan genjutsu should pull the win. The rest by Madara would all get decimated by Madara' s susanoo.

I'm pretty sure I put this thread to bed a long time ago. Just see above. Kages win.