Tsunade vs Danzo

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by Uchiha Sora

Danzo, on the verge of death, roflblitzed a healthy Sasuke(Just healed by Karin).

Your gonna tell me that a perfectly healthy Danzo isn't going to blitz Tsunade who has worse reaction feats than Sasuke?

This means Danzo is faster than V1 Bee and V1 A for god's sake

It'd be so funny if I misinterpreted the panel where be blitzed him.

When did Danzo blitz Sasuke? The moment you're referring to is right after they impaled each other, Karin healed Sasuke, and Danzo broke off from the tree on his arm, right? If that's so, all Danzo did is dodge a blind Sasuke's chidori lunge using Sharingan precog and run past him to Karin-how in the world is that blitzing Sasuke?

[Ninja of Cao]

I actually think that Tsunade may have a good chance of victory. Think of it like this:

Danzo has 11 Sharingans to sacrifice for his Izanagi, meaning that he can survive 11 lethal attacks.

Tsunade has complete regeneration and near-immortality when using her Creation Rebirth technique, meaning that she can survive lethal attacks until she runs out of chakra.

And I think that Danzo runs out of eyes before Tsunade runs out of chakra, meaning that Danzo has to use his normal combat techniques against an immortal ninja with superhuman strength.

Please correct me if I am mistaken.

[321zigzag3]

Danzo never blitzed Sasuke in actual combat.

He used the sharingan's prediction plus a sudden boost in movement to surprise Sasuke briefly while he went after Karin.

He blitzed Karin but thats hardly noteworthy.

[PrinceofPeace]

Exactly so Sora blitz will not solve this battle. Yes Danzo is faster but not that much faster

[Uchiha Sora]

I had thought he blitzed him because he ran right past Sasuke and he didn't react until Danzo was past him. Danzo could have lopped Sasukes head off right there.

But I'm still right, Danzo DID technically move so fast that Sasuke couldn't react. Only i didnt notice that Sasuke didn't have his sharingan on

[JLI2infinity]

I don't think you can use Koto to make someone commit suicide as someone earlier pointed out. Koto worked on Mifune by making him believe that he was following his own logic when arriving to the conclusion of leader. I feel with someone like Tsunade it'd be easy to manipulate her suppressed fear of blood for battle or something like that but just telling her to kill herself doesn't seem like a quick fix to a fight, she has pretty impressive will power as well.

[PrinceofPeace]

Tsuande is slow but Danzo is not that fast to end it with a blitz. Tsunade and Danzo have good distance apart. Tsunade can jump off of the building then summon Kataysu and that would be when the battle would begin

Koto is also useless. Tsunade knows not to make eye contact and she can attach herself with a slug to keep her out of genjutsu

[Nigoyukai]

The speed difference here is not huge. Tsunade was able to somewhat keep up with the Raikage during their battle against Madara (same Raikage Sasuke had difficulty just keeping track of). A Sasuke with even worse eyesight was equal in speed with Danzo (they were able to keep up with each other just fine for the majority of the battle). So there'll be no blitzing here.
Kotoamatsukami can give Danzo an auto-win here, though there are some arguments against that. Without the seal on his arm off which took the entirety of Fuu + Torune vs. Tobi to remove, Danzo loses an advantage with Izanagi. Without some insurance and the only ninjutsu he has is Fuuton, Mokuton, and Summoning, Danzo loses in a straight-out battle with a brawler/medic-nin like Tsunade.
There is a chance that Danzo can win without Kotoamatsukami or Izanagi if he places his curse seal on Tsunade to paralyze her before she can put him down with the first blow, and then lop her head off before she breaks out of it.

[Kill3r_B-st]

I don't think katsuyu is Tsunades only ace.......

maybe the fact that the second she releases her seal she becomes a super strong immortal old zombie who lives even after being chopped in half and still uses jutsu...........

I personally think this is a close one..........people just can't stand to see Tsunade succeed

[PrinceofPeace]

Exctly she could survive most wind style attacks. She is not above dodging the attacks and she can even take the attacks head on or even bash them away

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Tsuande is slow but Danzo is not that fast to end it with a blitz. Tsunade and Danzo have good distance apart. Tsunade can jump off of the building then summon Kataysu and that would be when the battle would begin

Koto is also useless. Tsunade knows not to make eye contact and she can attach herself with a slug to keep her out of genjutsu

Koto doesn't require eye contact, so the idea that he starts the fight with it still works. This is why Koto is usually banned in the BGs. It's more hax than both Kamui and Amaterasu. It made Danzo strong enough to take down Obito even though Danzo would get stomped in a real fight.

Originally Posted by Nigoyukai

The speed difference here is not huge. Tsunade was able to somewhat keep up with the Raikage during their battle against Madara (same Raikage Sasuke had difficulty just keeping track of). A Sasuke with even worse eyesight was equal in speed with Danzo (they were able to keep up with each other just fine for the majority of the battle). So there'll be no blitzing here.

I don't agree with the logic that Danzo blitzes by any means, in my opinion their speeds are about equal, but your scale here just doesn't work. Why do people keep saying Tsunade "kept up" with A. Where is that coming from? She didn't display any sort of speed comparable to A, just superior strength.

[Uchiha Sora]

Yes, Koto doesn't require eye contact. Danzo had his eyepatch on and he could still use it on Mifune.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by Uchiha Sora

Yes, Koto doesn't require eye contact. Danzo had his eyepatch on and he could still use it on Mifune.

I'm not convinced on this part. Every sharingan genjutsu we've seen so far requires eye-contact, why would Koto be an exception? Yes, the genjutsu doesn't need continued eye-contact to stay active, but none of the others do either. Eye-contact is only needed to initiate sharingan genjutsu and Danzo could have easily done that when he first met Mifune (he was personally greeting all of the Kage as they arrived).

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

Koto doesn't require eye contact, so the idea that he starts the fight with it still works. This is why Koto is usually banned in the BGs. It's more hax than both Kamui and Amaterasu. It made Danzo strong enough to take down Obito even though Danzo would get stomped in a real fight.
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True but Tsunade knows this and the effects of Koto are not instant. Plus Koto needs prep to activate and Katasyu can get her out of genjutsu

[Nigoyukai]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

I don't agree with the logic that Danzo blitzes by any means, in my opinion their speeds are about equal, but your scale here just doesn't work. Why do people keep saying Tsunade "kept up" with A. Where is that coming from? She didn't display any sort of speed comparable to A, just superior strength.

It's all in there when the Kages were able to coordinate with each other in the battle against Madara.
I recall that she displayed roughly comparable speed with the Raikage when she bashed on Madara's Susanoo right after he cracked it before he went falling to the ground (it's when Madara was saying that Tsunade was slower, but she was stronger than the Raikage).
No one is saying she's as fast as the Raikage. But she isn't significantly slower, either.

[Uchiha Sora]

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

I'm not convinced on this part. Every sharingan genjutsu we've seen so far requires eye-contact, why would Koto be an exception? Yes, the genjutsu doesn't need continued eye-contact to stay active, but none of the others do either. Eye-contact is only needed to initiate sharingan genjutsu and Danzo could have easily done that when he first met Mifune (he was personally greeting all of the Kage as they arrived).

I'm almost positive that Mifune didn't know it was casted on him. If Danzo just decided to reveal his Bandages then Mifune would've known something was wrong

Its the ultimate sharingan genjutsu, not requiring eye contact shouldn't be surprising.

EDIT: I just looked back, that personal meeting you talked about must have been anime only cuz I didn't see it.

[PrinceofPeace]

Tsunade has knowledge and the efects of Koto are not necessairly instant especially when Tsunade has Kataysu to break out of it. Plus Tsuande is a ninja unlike Mifune

[Uchiha Sora]

Don't think being a ninja or a Jinchuuriki helped Yagura defend himself from that technique.
The jutsu controls the mind itself, he can make her think she killed him, and then he just lops her head

Having knowledge of the jutsu doesn't help

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by Uchiha Sora

I'm almost positive that Mifune didn't know it was casted on him. If Danzo just decided to reveal his Bandages then Mifune would've known something was wrong

Its the ultimate sharingan genjutsu, not requiring eye contact shouldn't be surprising.

EDIT: I just looked back, that personal meeting you talked about must have been anime only cuz I didn't see it.

Ah, you and your logic-got me again. Danzo could've layered on another genjutsu to make him forget seeing his eye, but that would really be stretching things (Occam's Razor supports your argument). As for the meeting, I'm not sure it's even in the anime. I clearly remember him meeting Gaara so I guess I just assumed he greeted all of the Kage.

[PrinceofPeace]

so koto takes instant effect