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Old 08-06-2012, 09:39 AM   #81
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Do you even know how big the forest is??? Hiiruzen can not smash them the pollen's effect is instant even Enma would be tired. Also Onokoi had to use dust release to defeat it so fire style is now where near that leve

Minato has to through a special kunai out of the huge forest so that is not likely
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Id just imagine Minato would have stashed some away in konoha just incase :P
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Minato can not teleport forever.

The only way he can do damage if he tries to put a tag on Hashirama which is unlikely

Gama is the only way to win but Hashirama took done Kurama so good luck Hashirama
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Minato can not teleport forever.

The only way he can do damage if he tries to put a tag on Hashirama which is unlikely

Gama is the only way to win but Hashirama took done Kurama so good luck Hashirama

Hiruzen in his prime is undisputedly the strongest (and since it's confirmed by Masashi Kishimoto,on record), then this should be evidence enough but alas, alac there is no documented fight between Hiruzen and "anyone" in his prime - this rises another question, who were his noteworthy contemporaries in terms of skill, strength and knowledge. We know of some of the previous hokages foes -

Hashirama vs Madara, Izuni(probably), Kakuzu(1st victim of the
rasenshuriken).

Tobirama - Kinkaku and Ginkaku (Gold and Silver Brothers) and they left him near dead, plus the twenty elite ninjas that he ultimately lost his life too. The master of water lost to a measly twenty fodder, seems fishy to me. I reckon he went into early retirement, hell might even have some ties to Masked-man Tobi

Minato - A and Killer B (both prime), defeated them in seconds. Many of enemies probably some named ninjas too during the 2nd war. Madara and Kurama (even though it was a stressful night, with his wife giving birth and all, not to mention Madara unique abilities, Kurama infinite chakra and Kushina distressing screams)

Tsunade - not many note-worthy battles but to give her credit, she's the strongest and most endowed ninja physically. Unparalleled strength and the best medical ninja of her generation. Theoretically she can kill a great many legendary ninjas with a single punch (if she can connect that is). Damn, she can kill ANY ninja with a single punch should it connect. Even Raikage A. Woman destroys landscape with a kick. Something only tailed-beast and Kages are showned to be capable of (or any proficient earth user). Give her Minato speed and she'll be THE GOD OF THE NARUVERSE

On a side note, my personally choice for the best, strongest, talented and just downright awesome HOKAGE in Konohagakure 110 years history goes too

MINATO NAMIZAKE

Firstly, he's the best designed character in the naruverse. This is the kinda of avatar one always draws when learning to "draw manga", awesome hair and awesome apparel. This dude just exudes charisma, intelligence, collectiveness and an excellent sense of humour. He was merciless when need be and gentle when required.

Now, apart from the aesthetics, his stats speaks for themselves. Minato completed 847 official missions in total: 122 D-rank, 147 C-rank, 216 B-rank, 323 A-rank, 39 S-rank.

He was known to be the genius of his generation, graduation from the academy at age 10, a feat only beaten by Itachi and only because of his crush on Kushina (this is just conjecture, but it seems plausible enough). We know of his prowess at his age, from his tracking and rescue Kushina where a dozen or more Jounin had failed. Displaying both intuitive, intelligence and bravery (since he probably murdered or out-run her kidnappers). Single-handed turning the tide of a war is in itself a mean feat. Imagine entire armies running the second you show-up. As for abilities aside from FTG, his natural speed and reflexes rivalled Guy's during a 6th gate release or more (again conjectures, but plausible enough) Raikage A, couldn't match his "natural speed" with his Lightning Release Armour, his strength was substantial enough to nearly sever one of Killer B tentacle "with a kunai without any leverage". His knowledge and tactical skills was at such a level that complex sealing techniques (some of these one time use only), assessing and ascertaining enemies and techniques key weakness was analysed and acted upon instantly (putting him up their with Shikamaru intellect). And for godsake, he invented the most OP and versatile justsu in the series. A jutsu to which their seems to be no end to its variation, atm it's currently a nuke bomb

Lastly, Episode 69. Hiruzen quaked in his shoe at the concept of facing Yondaime Hokage, whilst remaining compose at the prospect of facing the 1st & 2nd and although he was pass his prime, still kicked Hashirama, Tobirama and still had the energy to strangle Orochimaru to death, had he the peace of mind to so. A beast in his own right

Now try to imagine a Minato had he not died prematurely. I always envision Minato vs...current villain (of the episode, of the season, of the film) and their are only a few individuals that would have presented a challenge, Itachi, Pain and Shisui

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^ We can not include all hype. and saying that about Hiruzen is an opinon
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i would say, minato namikaze, hashirama senju, and then hiruzen sarutobi
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Nope, minato is no one without kushina seal lesson
i vote for the first, he beat madara and kyuubi on rampage and create hidden village system
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The 1st owns all, though the 4th is at a close second
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i would say, minato namikaze, hashirama senju, and then hiruzen sarutobi
And I would say that you are wrong. Minato is far from strong. Take away his FTG kunai and what do you have???
-rasengan
-sealing
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Take away Hashirama's wood style
-water style
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-sealings
-less hand seals
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-genjutsu resistant/genjutsu casting (had to be if fighting Madara)
-skilled in kenjutsu

Also Hashirama was a great leader as well
-he established/built the village
-he made "peace" with the Uchiha's
-he contoled the bijju
-he made an alliance with the fire country
-he was the leader of his clan
-Saved the village from Madara/Kurama
-defeated Kakazu
-trained his brother and Hiruzen

What has Minato done as hokage
- trained Kakashi (and Obito but he turned evil so....)
-saved the village from Obito/Kurama
-helped leaf win the war

Obito/Madara admired Hashirama more than Minato
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The Forth Hokage was the best.
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strongest:the 1st hokage
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Seeing that Hashirama is the most wanted person it gotta be him.

Appearantly anything can be solved with that.
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Minato Nuff said.
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Oh yeah minato took down kurama and lived to brag about it so be is the......WAIT!!!!! That was HASHIRAMA!!!!!! HASHIRAMA tamed the bijju and survived. That is why he is the best and the strongest.
Minato only did one thing as hokage so how is he the best
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Well in terms of who was strongest Hokage I believe that it would he Hasirama no contest, But if we were talking about who was best hokage then we might have more of an argument to think about.
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HASHIRAMA is both est Nd strongest. He made the strongest peace with other villages. The lef was the strongest Nd HASHIRAMA successfully protected it numerous times
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And I would say that you are wrong. Minato is far from strong. Take away his FTG kunai and what do you have???
-rasengan
-sealing
-summonings

Take away Hashirama's wood style
-water style
-earth style
-sealings
-less hand seals
-healing
-genjutsu resistant/genjutsu casting (had to be if fighting Madara)
-skilled in kenjutsu

Also Hashirama was a great leader as well
-he established/built the village
-he made "peace" with the Uchiha's
-he contoled the bijju
-he made an alliance with the fire country
-he was the leader of his clan
-Saved the village from Madara/Kurama
-defeated Kakazu
-trained his brother and Hiruzen

What has Minato done as hokage
- trained Kakashi (and Obito but he turned evil so....)
-saved the village from Obito/Kurama
-helped leaf win the war

Obito/Madara admired Hashirama more than Minato
can you stop taking away skills? think i have pointed it out 3 times it is such a bad argument
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OK Prince there are a few things you've said that aren't true, now while he did help train Hiruzen, most of Hiruzens training was thanks to Tobirama. Also there was never any proof that Hashirama could do water or earth style ninjutsu, remember that he was born with the wood style so he did not need to master the two elements it was made of to do it.

Secondly there is no proof that Hashirama ever trained Tobirama, for all we know they could have been trained by their parents.

There is no proof of Genjutsu restraint, but he has used at least one Genjutsu.
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OK Prince there are a few things you've said that aren't true, now while he did help train Hiruzen, most of Hiruzens training was thanks to Tobirama
that is what I said so your wrong for saying I am wrong when we both agreed on the same thing. Most of the credit goes to tobirama. I would not announce that publicly after all hiruzen was a crappy hokage
. Also there was never any proof that Hashirama could do water or earth style ninjutsu, remember that he was born with the wood style so he did not need to master the two elements it was made of to do it.
i did not say that he could use water or earth style ninjutsu. He has not shown it but he certainly has the ability. To be born with wood style means he was born with water and earth nature chakra. This is a poor argument on your part. No offense. Haku has ice style and has shown water style.... But not wind. So are you saying that he does not have wind style? Of course he does ice style comes with wind style. Yamato explained his wood style. It is impossible to have not have water nor earth to make wood
Secondly there is no proof that Hashirama ever trained Tobirama, for all we know they could have been trained by their parents.
i already admitted I was mistaken. But that's like saying HASHIRAMA does not have water or earth style which is also false

There is no proof of Genjutsu restraint, but he has used at least one Genjutsu.
I admit that is assuming but it is not far from the truth
-He fought Madara Uchiha for crying out loud. UCHIHA!!!!!!!! He had to use genjutsu at some point
-Hashirama also has great chakra control for being a medic and all

^Yes this can not be proven but come on now lol

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Default Re: Who is the strongest hokage ever?

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Actually Hiruzen was a great Hokage you should never doubt that he was, he is the Hokage that in my eyes best represented the will of fire. There was no hokage that had made any many ties and was missed as much as him when they were gone.

while it is implied they would have them, unless we seem them use those styles of ninjutsu we cannot say that they could.

Haku's KG clearly states that it allows him not only to instantly turn water into ice, but make it from thin air. So with that no we cannot say that Haku can use wind style because he has never used them.

Since we have never seen Hashirama use earth or water style we cannot say that can use it because he doesn't even have hype for using them.

This would be same as saying that Guren could use both earth and lightning style even though we have never seen her use them.

You have to understand that KG does not require you to know certain elemental style of ninjutsu it simply requires you to have those chakra Natures within you so that you can mix them. Having a chakra nature and using a elemental jutsu are not the same they are similar, but not the same.

I'm not really wrong because I was replying to certain post, not the ones after.
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