Itachi vs Vizard Tousen and Condom Aizen

[cnorwood]

Originally Posted by Vivi

Couldn't KKK Aizen used Kyoka Suigetsu or was it just PIS that he didn't use it?

To be honest idk, im sure it was pis. But yea i forgot about that move. If Aizen does that the fight is over.

[Vivi]

I think when he transformed Aizen began to rely solely on the Hogyouku instead of Kyoka Suigetsu leading to not using it seeing.

Deicide.
I'm sure he saw himself in the midst of becoming a God, thus saw no need.

Sound reasonable?

[cnorwood]

Yea or its just lolkubo

[megabbaut]

Originally Posted by Vivi

Base Aizen merely took little burns from a direct Itto Kaso, Amaterasu won't do crap especially with Regeneration.

And even then, Aizen blitzed 4 Captains including Soi Fon and IIRC even kept up with Yoruichi who is most likely the fastest person in the manga part for Byakuya.

That's different. Itto Kaso creates a huge explosion. We're talking about a fire that lasts for about a week. Even if Aizen regenerates it would keep burning and spreading. Also, they have the speed to avoid it but they probably don't have the reactions. They can't see it until it's on them.

Itachi has Sharingan precog which should prevent him from being blitzed.

[Ba_bamBam]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

That's different. Itto Kaso creates a huge explosion. We're talking about a fire that lasts for about a week. Even if Aizen regenerates it would keep burning and spreading. Also, they have the speed to avoid it but they probably don't have the reactions. They can't see it until it's on them.

Itachi has Sharingan precog which should prevent him from being blitzed.

Amaterasu's fire isn't that impressive aside from the fact that there are no known ways so far that can extinguish it.

It's even weaker than a regular fire, it failed to burn Karin after like 5 seconds. A normal fire would've burned her much worse than that.

While Itachi is focusing on Tousen/Aizen the other one will take that opportunity to do some damage.

Just because he has "sharingan precog" it will not guarantee him from getting blitzed.

[joon61]

Did someone delete my post. O.O
Anyway,itachi loses because con-aizen is just too over-powered. And lets not forget tousen. Both would stomp itachi.

[cnorwood]

tousen has what move that gets passed susanoo?

[Ba_bamBam]

Originally Posted by cnorwood

tousen has what move that gets passed susanoo?

He might have the strength to do it, since Raikage was capable of doing it.

He stopped tenken in vizard casually and kicked Komamura 100m+ away destroying a city block in the process.

Actually, he probably can break through Susanoo considering the strength feats he have shown > Raikage's.

If you bring in the Yata Shield arguement, Yata doesn't cover 360 degrees, just what's front.

[Noctis Arashi]

Wasn't masked tosen trading blows with Komamura's bankai?

And smacking everyone around through multiple buildings and blitzing?

[cnorwood]

Originally Posted by Ba_bamBam

He might have the strength to do it, since Raikage was capable of doing it.

He stopped tenken in vizard casually and kicked Komamura 100m+ away destroying a city block in the process.

Actually, he probably can break through Susanoo considering the strength feats he have shown > Raikage's.

If you bring in the Yata Shield arguement, Yata doesn't cover 360 degrees, just what's front.

Raikages broke Madaras incomplete susanoo. Itachis protected him from kirin, tousen has nothing on that scale of power.

[Ba_bamBam]

Originally Posted by cnorwood

Raikages broke Madaras incomplete susanoo. Itachis protected him from kirin, tousen has nothing on that scale of power.

No Itachi's YATA SHIELD protected him from Kirin not the susanoo itself.

Still, even though it was incomplete Tousen is high above Raikage in strength based on feats and how he was tossing around Komamura like trash.

IF Tousen's strength was = Raikage's then yes he most likely will not be able to break through it
-Note we have never seen the full potential of a full susanoo guarding against a physical attack as far as I can remember.

But Tousen's strength is > Raikage's by far

[Noctis Arashi]

Originally Posted by cnorwood

Raikages broke Madaras incomplete susanoo. Itachis protected him from kirin, tousen has nothing on that scale of power.

That's completely different though, seeing as a fist, or physical strike has more force concentrated into a smaller area then a giant dragon of lightning.

Meanwhile, Tousen was trading blows with a giant who could destroy city blocks by moving his hand.

Yeah, Tousen is totally weaker than the Raikage.

[cnorwood]

Originally Posted by Ba_bamBam

No Itachi's YATA SHIELD protected him from Kirin not the susanoo itself.

Still, even though it was incomplete Tousen is high above Raikage in strength based on feats and how he was tossing around Komamura like trash.

IF Tousen's strength was = Raikage's then yes he most likely will not be able to break through it
-Note we have never seen the full potential of a full susanoo guarding against a physical attack as far as I can remember.

But Tousen's strength is > Raikage's by far

Do you want to tell me the page where you saw the yata mirror turn back the attack? (because thats what the yata miror does, its not just a shield)

[Noctis Arashi]

Ignoring my post, Tousen is stronger than the raikage in raw physical power.

Even though what ba_bambam is saying is completely incorrect, as the yata mirror did nothing.

[Ba_bamBam]

Originally Posted by Noctis Arashi

Ignoring my post, Tousen is stronger than the raikage in raw physical power.

Even though what ba_bambam is saying is completely incorrect, as the yata mirror did nothing.

Sorry I apologize that chapters been a while I don't have it remembered correctly I stand corrected

All I could remember was Saucefail ranting about his attack and Itachi putting up Susanoo.
Now that I think about it again Yata didn't come up until after the destruction was cleared.

My bad cnorwood on that matter.

[cnorwood]

Originally Posted by Noctis Arashi

Ignoring my post, Tousen is stronger than the raikage in raw physical power.

Even though what ba_bambam is saying is completely incorrect, as the yata mirror did nothing.

so tousen can break madaras incomplete susanoo. Good thing he is not in this fight. Itachis susanoo still tanked a mountain buster.

[Noctis Arashi]

Did I not just mention the concentration of force? In terms of breaking power, a physical strike contains more force in a more concentrated area.

Also, it was a small hill, not a mountain, and the hill wasn't even busted. As a fairly large portion of it still remained, all though the top portion was indeed decimated.

[Nigoyukai]

Originally Posted by Vivi

Couldn't KKK Aizen used Kyoka Suigetsu or was it just PIS that he didn't use it?

It was PIS, but the ppl he was fighting against with the Hogyoku did not require him to use it. Isshin and Ichigo were unaffeced by it, so he couldn't use it anyway. I'm not sure about Yoruichi and Urahara, but it's still possible that it wouldn't have worked against them anyway since they might not have seen his Shikai. He had no reason to use it against Gin and by the time he betrayed Aizen, he couldn't use KS against him.

[Ba_bamBam]

Originally Posted by cnorwood

so tousen can break madaras incomplete susanoo. Good thing he is not in this fight. Itachis susanoo still tanked a mountain buster.

The building was hollow, so it's not really impressive as you make it out to be.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Originally Posted by Ba_bamBam

The building was hollow, so it's not really impressive as you make it out to be.

If I recalled correctly, didn't someone on OBD measure out the length of the building, and the surrounding area that was affected by Kirin, to be somewhere along the size of a medium/large hill?