Madara vs Hashirama

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

OK so I feel that I may know enough about Hasirama now to finally make this thread so here is the deal, Hasirama gets any and all wood style moves ever used.

Madara gets anything that wasn't given to him by Hasirama's cells.

they are both, non-edo.

They are fighting at the valley of the end, Madara starts from the top od his statue and Hashirama starts from the top of his.

who wins?

[Haku Uchiha]

Hashirama wins easily and alot faster because last time he had to fight the Kyubi and Madara

[megabbaut]

This fight has already been decided in the manga with Hashirama taking the victory, but since Madara has shown some new feats recently I'd say his EMS hax will beat Hashirama since Susanoo would stop him from being hurt. Genjutsu would be also be quite a threat.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by Haku Uchiha

Hashirama wins easily and alot faster because last time he had to fight the Kyubi and Madara

why wouldn't he have Kurama, that wasn't given to him by Hashirma's cells, I'm talking about what happened plot wise I mean, by logic who do you think would win this time?

[PrinceofPeace]

HASHIRMA STOMPS!!! I mean seriously this fight already happened! Just like the other guy said Madara already lost even with Kyubi!

Hashirama is WAY OverPowered Anyway with the feats you gave him

Hashirama can do Multiple Wood Clone jutsu and the clones would distract Madara upclose

Hashirama then uses Cutting wood (the thing that Obito used when he killed the mist ninja) and Underground Root (the jutsu black zetsu used) to attack Madara from afar!

While Madara is busy keeping Susanoo up and burining the attacks to the ground Hashirama follows up with Advent of following trees to put Madara to sleep

Worst case sceniro is that Wood Dragon takes on PS.... HASHIRAMA WINS
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No offense but you do not know ABOUT MY MAN HASHIRMA!!!! I LOVE HIM
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[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

HASHIRMA STOMPS!!! I mean seriously this fight already happened! Just like the other guy said Madara already lost even with Kyubi!

Hashirama is WAY OverPowered Anyway with the feats you gave him

Hashirama can do Multiple Wood Clone jutsu and the clones would distract Madara upclose

Hashirama then uses Cutting wood (the thing that Obito used when he killed the mist ninja) and Underground Root (the jutsu black zetsu used) to attack Madara from afar!

While Madara is busy keeping Susanoo up and burining the attacks to the ground Hashirama follows up with Advent of following trees to put Madara to sleep

Worst case sceniro is that Wood Dragon takes on PS.... HASHIRAMA WINS
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No offense but you do not know ABOUT MY MAN HASHIRMA!!!! I LOVE HIM
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OK first off fan boy let's get something straight, it was already said that he barely won, so how is it a stomp? and secondly I don't understand how he lost Amaterasu could just burn all of his wood style away and then uses TS so smash him.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Let me get this straight, you want us to ignore what happened in the manga and just base our decision on their battle feats, right?

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

OK first off fan boy let's get something straight, it was already said that he barely won
HASHIRAMA WON !!!!,
so how is it a stomp? and secondly I don't understand how he lost Amaterasu could just burn all of his wood style away
Wood style is a FANTASTIC counter for Amaterasu! Hashirama can surrond himself with Vegetation and put it in front of him to obscure Madara's vision! The Amaterasu would hit the obstacle Hashirama put in Madara's way ! Amaterasu is a very hard jutsu to use/control! Not to mention it cost LOADS on LOADS of chakra and decreases you usage of the eye
and then uses TS so smash him.
is that Tskyuomi? If so Hashirama knew to use wood clones to counter and not loook into his eyes! If you are talking about Susanoo than lets get real here
Hashirama used wood style to take tame Bijju so a simple Susanoo does not nearly compare!
Also Susanoo hurts the user at a cellular level so it would not last to long and it would quickly drain chakra and the ability of the sharigan

ok maybe I used the wrong termonology
But this is like saying Shikamaru vs Kin.... It was a close battle and we know how it went down! Shikamaru won... not easily but still won! No matter what location or setting you put it Shikamaru will still win

Spoiler:

(unless you set it up and restricted it so Shikamaru could not win)

I just wonder why you make these threads when it already happened
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I hope you are not hating on Hashirama

This is how hashirama wins:

Hashirama does not look into Madara's eyes
-Advent of flowing trees!

Madara would switch from Sharigan to MS Sharigan and use Amaterasu! Amaterasu would be blocked by the trees Hashirama made!

The pollen would spread around Madara and so Madara would burn the trees down with fire style!

Spoiler:

Bassically Hashirama is on the offensive/densive with WOod style contsantly and quickly attacking due to his great chakra control and quick hand seals. Madara on the other hand has to make hand seals and waste chakra uses fire style to burn the wood down. Madara is on the defensive! Madara is less likey to hit Hashirama

Hashirama keeps his distants with using the roots underground

madara eventually uses Susanoo to try and break the wood style!

Hashirama then finishes the match with Wood Dragon! It would not burn so easily with Fire style even with Amaterasu it would take a while and Susanoo does not compare with Kurama so what luck would it have with A wooden Dragon!?
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Let's not forget about The wood clone army ! We have not even seen Hashirama use water style nor earth style so he can easily counter Fire/amatersu!

It is like how Saskue could not burn through ice style!


btw..... how do you see Madara winning


I YOU HASHIRAMA

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

Let me get this straight, you want us to ignore what happened in the manga and just base our decision on their battle feats, right?

Well yeah, isn't that how we're supposed to do it, just in case the people who were in the match were victims of the plot like the Jinchuuiki or Sasori.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

Well yeah, isn't that how we're supposed to do it, just in case the people who were in the match were victims of the plot like the Jinchuuiki or Sasori.

Plot did not effect this battle! It was a 1v 1 (+plus kyubi) fight and Hashirama won
Madara had an advantage and STILL LOST

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Plot did not effect this battle! It was a 1v 1 (+plus kyubi) fight and Hashirama won
Madara had an advantage and STILL LOST

Well I have to disagree with you, I don't hate Hasirama, do I like Tobirama more than him, yes I do, however if you haven't noticed I'd trying to get people to beat Madara, this would be the first, scratch that second thread I've defended him in and that's only because people seem to think Hashirama would win this fight easily just because he won the first time when it was explained that either one could have won the fight but the Hashirama just so happened to come out on top that time, it was the first time that their fight did not end a draw and Hashirama barely won.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

Well I have to disagree with you, I don't hate Hasirama, do I like Tobirama more than him, yes I do, however if you haven't noticed I'd trying to get people to beat Madara, this would be the first, scratch that second thread I've defended him in and that's only because people seem to think Hashirama would win this fight easily just because he won the first time when it was explained that either one could have won the fight but the Hashirama just so happened to come out on top that time, it was the first time that their fight did not end a draw and Hashirama barely won.

So what makes Madara win this time?

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Well going off of logic, I don't see why Amatersu couldn't have burned away all of Hashirama's wood style, I mean they are flames that can burn anything, even fire so why not wood?

He could have used Kurama to do TBB once the trees were gone or ever used True Susanoo to get rid of Hashirama and I see no reason why Genjutsu was not used in their fight, that could have gotten him the win easily if you ask me.

[MinatoXNaruto]

What kind of thread is this? This is basically a rematch of what already happened. Hashirama wins again.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Alright. Going by common logic and manga feats Hashirama should have lost. He has nothing that can stand up to either a TBB or Perfect Susano'o and yet he somehow managed to win against Madara. Going by what happened in the last chapter I'm assuming that Madara and Hashirama started the fight close together and Hashirama's wood dragon bound the Kyuubi before it could use a TBB, however that still doesn't explain how Hashirama could stop Perfect Susano'o, when it casually sliced through a mountain... The only thing I can think of is that Hashirama grew a bunch of trees that bound PS too, but that seems a little ridiculous.

[THE susanoo]

i understand this thread, yeah i love madara wayyyy more then hashirama, but from the wood feats, i dont see how he won the fight, taking on the strongest tailed beast and the strongest Uchiha who can use PS, amatersu, tsukuyomi and huge fire jutsu..... we have not been shown any way of him escaping genjutsu, so by going from feats only, this fight is quite easy for madara

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

Alright. Going by common logic and manga feats Hashirama should have lost. He has nothing that can stand up to either a TBB or Perfect Susano'o and yet he somehow managed to win against Madara. Going by what happened in the last chapter I'm assuming that Madara and Hashirama started the fight close together and Hashirama's wood dragon bound the Kyuubi before it could use a TBB, however that still doesn't explain how Hashirama could stop Perfect Susano'o, when it casually sliced through a mountain... The only thing I can think of is that Hashirama grew a bunch of trees that bound PS too, but that seems a little ridiculous.

There is also the possiblity of hashirama being able to use more then 1 wood dragon.

Tsunade was bisected and still lives. And madara himself said that hashis healing takes a big dump on tsunades. Going by that and the addition of his wood(which as a reminder captured ALL bijuus) he might be able to tank PS/*maybe* a TBB (just speculation here).

That said hashiramas power is still impressive. Similiar to gaara he can turn the whole battlefield to his advantage in mere second through jyuutai koutan and pollen.

His healing is equal to or surpasses tsunades.

He has the supposedly 'unbreakable' genjutsu bringer of darkness.

Hashi restricting and or knocking madara is more then possible from with what we have seen of wood release. That not even counting obitos more 'violent' use of it.

Hashiramas jutsus simply carry alot less strain (as wood release always has been seen used effortlessly(chakra wise) while most of the MS jutsu all carry heavy strain to the point of pain in every cell.

If wood dragon manages to give bijuu mode naruto trouble id say that hashi could handle maddy.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Well from what I've seen I'm not understanding how he caught all the tailed beast or beat Madara at all, I mean if they go more into it later and explain how then I'll except it and as much as I want to be able to come up with a match up that could beat Madara, I just don't get how Hasirama could do it from what I've seen.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by THE susanoo

i understand this thread, yeah i love madara wayyyy more then hashirama,
WHAT WHY !?!?!?!?! YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME! MADARA EVEN ADMITTED MULTIPLE TIMES OF HOW HASHIRAMA IS BETTER!!! MADARA IS YET ANOTHER FAIL-chiha HE EVEN LOST WITH KURAMA!
but from the wood feats, i dont see how he won the fight
HOW?
-Wood Dragon- takes out Kurama and handles Madara
-Advent of folloing trees- K.o when Madara breaths
, taking on the strongest tailed beast and the strongest Uchiha who can use PS,
he did not have that then and he would not be able to use it as well without being in edo
amatersu,
wood style blocks Amaterasu!
tsukuyomi
Do not look into his eyes or use a wood clone
and huge fire jutsu.....
blocks with wood style
we have not been shown any way of him escaping genjutsu,
He uses medical ninjutsu for crying out loud so we know he has great chakra control! He can easily break out of it with his chakra control also Hashirama just has to look away from him
so by going from feats only, this fight is quite easy for madara

Honestly what Madara shown is not fair. HE IS AN EDO!!! This means he has infinte chakra! Madara can use any jutsu witout being tired.

Honestly whoever says that Hashiram would lose or shouda lost is A HATER!!!

We have not even seeen all of what Hashirama has to offer yet!
Madara lost and THAT IS THAT!

He defeaeted the biggest threat to konoha ALL BY HIMSELF!!!

Madara's fire is countered by Wood style to block it

Genjutsu is easily escaped with chakra control or jjust do not look into their eyes!

Wood style binds bijju..... so why not Bijju!!

Hyuuga idc how you make the thread cuz HASHIRMA WILL ALWAYS WIN

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Honestly what Madara shown is not fair. HE IS AN EDO!!! This means he has infinte chakra! Madara can use any jutsu witout being tired.

Honestly whoever says that Hashiram would lose or shouda lost is A HATER!!!

We have not even seeen all of what Hashirama has to offer yet!
Madara lost and THAT IS THAT!

He defeaeted the biggest threat to konoha ALL BY HIMSELF!!!

Madara's fire is countered by Wood style to block it

Genjutsu is easily escaped with chakra control or jjust do not look into their eyes!

Wood style binds bijju..... so why not Bijju!!

Hyuuga idc how you make the thread cuz HASHIRMA WILL ALWAYS WIN

K I'm going to have to correct you on one thing, I can't remember the rest of what you said, but Madara did have the perfect True Sasunoo back then, he even said he used it, but fromw hat they are showing, I don't see how he beat him at all you say wood dragon took care of kurama, but Madara just used the wood dragon and Kurama is tearing it to peaces.

You say advent of flowing trees would knock him out, but he knows of the move which means he survived it without getting knocked out.

Wood style cannot block Amterasu, it has been shown that amatersu would burn through wood before so I can't agree with you on that.

and lastly even though I do like Hashirama way more than Madara, how exactly is the most powerful Uchiha ever to walk the earth an fail Uchiha? so by that logic I guess all Uchiha's were fails right?

I'm not hating on Hashirama, but from they are showing, there is no logical reason from what they have already shown us why he shouldn't have lost that fight, I'm sorry, but that's just how I see it, there absolutely nothing that they have shown us so far that would actually give us good reason for why Hashirama beat Madara that day.

and lastly you need calm yourself down, it is not that serious.