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Old 10-27-2012, 10:46 AM   #81
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i think Nagato can use shira tensi to counter amatarusu also it is possible that reningan has an immunity against sharingan ( though there is no proof )
yep! Amaterasu would easily be countered by Nagato!!

if Konan doesnot fly there will b no attacks from the air,
So?
I am not saying that she wont fly but she does not have to! Konan can make paper clones around her or a paper shiled! THis will obstruct Itachi's vision and so he would waste an Amaterasu on the clones or shield
then the sitauation will be much more comfortable. then 8 members ( itachi, kisame, 3 water clones, and 3 craw clones )
I would not count the clones as members! Once they are hit they are out! THe crow clones were only used in genjutsu btw! Nagato and Konan would not look towards Itachi and the other paths can funnel chakra throught the team
If you want to talk about team members than fine!
6-paths of pain
1-konan
7-Animal summonings
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14 foes (not including paper clones)
will spread and attack from all directions will the nagato teamis busy facing the Huuge water storm sharks and fire ball that itachi and kisame start the battle with,
-Nagato EASILY pushes the water sharks and fire balls away!
- Preta path can abosrb some of the ninjutsu
-Animal path can use animals to take the hit of fly away
-Konan blocks with paper
then it will be one to one battle, any close encounter with Itachi is fatal this will give itachi the chance to capture the target and force him to look into his eyes
ummmm how?
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Old 10-27-2012, 12:44 PM   #82
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deva can`t push every thing at the same time unless he uses shinra tensi and this will make him an easy target for amatarusu during the five second off period, since he will push every thing away konan and her clones or other paths will not have enogh time to cover him
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Old 10-27-2012, 02:22 PM   #83
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deva can`t push every thing at the same time unless he uses shinra tensi and this will make him an easy target for amatarusu during the five second off period, since he will push every thing away konan and her clones or other paths will not have enogh time to cover him
Nagato can push everything! He did it when all of the different Konoha ninja attacked him!
Itachi would not be able to hit Nagato in the next 5 secs cuz they would have to react to the push plus Konan and the other paths of pains not to mention the summonings would protect them
Good point The push would push the others away...
but you forgot about the other counters I made...... lol
- Preta path can abosrb some of the ninjutsu
-Animal path can use animals to take the hit of fly away

-Asura path blasts sharks and intercpets fire
-Konan blocks with paper

Do you really thing that Nagato and Konan would sit there while Itachi and Kisame surrond them with attacks
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Old 10-27-2012, 02:54 PM   #84
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if they will not sit there then they will spread, this is all what itachi team want spread away from deva
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Just cuz they wil sit there does not mean they wont attack! They can protect Deva and attack they do not have to evade either!
I already sated this ! And you did not respond.... The counter with
- Preta path can abosrb some of the ninjutsu
-Animal path can use animals to take the hit of fly away
-Asura path blasts sharks and intercpets fire

-Konan blocks with paper
They can at least make it harder form them to surrond them

-Konan attacks with paper projectiles
-Asura can send missles
-Animal paths sends animals there way
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:14 AM   #86
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preta busy absorbing the small ocean released by kisame
animal path is burned from the start
asura has 1000 shark to hit so nice time
konan is difficult
one point is this ( konan and nagato can fight looking to the earth to avoid itachis eyes but how will nagato make his animal ( that shares vision with him ) fight looking to the ground ) an ox is an ox after all)
and all the otther attack will not affect susanoo
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Old 10-28-2012, 07:09 PM   #87
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preta busy absorbing the small ocean released by kisame
agreed
animal path is burned from the start
What how can you say that?
Itachi has NO KNOWLDGE on the paths and which one does what! Even if Itachi got lucky enough to know which one was the biggest threat it would not help! The paths have experience fighting each other and they are no idoits! The weaker paths (human path) know to save the stronger paths (Animal path) this happened when Human path grabbed and pushed the Animal path out of the way of the Rasen-Shuriken! By the time Itachi switches to MS and uses Amaterasu many things would happen to protect the stronger paths
-Human path would stand in front of Animal path
-Animal Path would summon an animal to take the hit
-Preta path would abosrob it (if he was not busy)
-Konan would block with a paper shield or paper clone
-Asura path can intercpet with weapons
-Nagato pushes the flames away

asura has 1000 shark to hit so nice time
Have no fear the other paths are here!!

Asura is not alone is this there are plenty of other ways to defeat the sharks
-Preta path can absorb some sharks (if it was not busy)
-Asura path blast some of the sharks away
-Animal path summons animals to squish the sharks
-Preta Path pushes the sharks away
-Konan and paper clones spam paper bombs
konan is difficult
welll.... she is a woman afterall
one point is this ( konan and nagato can fight looking to the earth to avoid itachis eyes but how will nagato make his animal ( that shares vision with him ) fight looking to the ground ) an ox is an ox after all)
There vision is connected but that does not mean they all get effected
(I know that sounds confusing but look at chp. 378 pg 14 last panel
-All of them are looking at something different and 2/3 of them have there vision obscured
-Only AUDIO genjutsu effects the paths! If OCCULAR genjutsu effected them then edo Itachi would have used iit on edo Nagato!
-Even if they are caught in genjutsu Konan can funnel her chakra throught the paths
-THey do not have to look at Itachi they can look at his waist or Kisame
and all the otther attack will not affect susanoo
But Almight Push and Plantary Devastation Will !
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:49 PM   #88
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if animal path is not covered from the start it will be burned ( only the raikage and gaara`s sand could match the speed of ame )even tobi could not dodge it.
-1000 thousand shark will get asura busy enough time even if they dont kill him
- since they all share common vision with nagato then if an ox had eye contact with itachi this means that the real nagato is captured in genjitsu, then konan will not be able to help him ( since she is to far to touch the body of the real nagato who emit chackra to control the paths but does not receive chackra from them
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if animal path is not covered from the start it will be burned ( only the raikage and gaara`s sand could match the speed of ame )
But it WOULD be covered from the start! All the path has to do is move 2inches before Itachi changes from Sharigan to MS then his eye bleeds and uses the jutsu
(in bold is the time that is used before the amaterasu takes effect... that is plenty of time)
even tobi could not dodge it. -not fair taken by surpirse!

-1000 thousand shark will get asura busy enough time even if they dont kill him
like i said already he would get help from others cuz he is not only his help are...
-Preta path can absorb some sharks (if it was not busy)
-Asura path blast some of the sharks away
-Animal path summons animals to squish the sharks
-Preta Path pushes the sharks away
-Konan and paper clones spam paper bombs

- since they all share common vision with nagato then if an ox had eye contact with itachi this means that the real nagato is captured in genjitsu, then konan will not be able to help him ( since she is to far to touch the body of the real nagato who emit chackra to control the paths but does not receive chackra from them
I give props to Frost Ninja for explaining why that is not true

-Imagine it like this.
Radio waves
Static comes from intersecting radio waves, meaning the waves interfere with each other.

Frog song is basically waves of chakra genjutsu via sound, and the chakra signals coming from Nagato are the other waves. When they collide, its a metaphoric "static" occuring with the paths.

Koto is a direct spike in only one side of the receptor, and with no send-back of chakra waves it wouldn't cause any interference

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but the mechanism of action of visual genjitsu is different, the visual effect will pass to the brain through the visual pathway, the brain is then affected and induce changes in body chackra, once the visual stimulus reach the brain ( which is possible since all the path share common vision with nagato ) the vsual stimulus will reach nagato`s brain and induce changes in his chackra
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but the mechanism of action of visual genjitsu is different, the visual effect will pass to the brain through the visual pathway, the brain is then affected and induce changes in body chackra, once the visual stimulus reach the brain ( which is possible since all the path share common vision with nagato ) the vsual stimulus will reach nagato`s brain and induce changes in his chackra
Konan or another path can still release the path out of genjutsu. Also Konan is usually where Nagato is just in case! At least a paper clone would be with Nagato which is standard!

But that is besides the point

1-The paths and Konan have knowledge and would not make eye contact
2-Itachi would have to use SERIOUS chakra to do a powerful genjutsu like Tsykumoki, the others are lower levels and easier to break out of

3-Visual genjutsu does not effect Rinnegan.... if it did edo Itachi would have used it on Edo Nagto to stall them

4-Only AUDIO genjutsu works on the paths

5-The paths are like clones! When Kakshi fought Itachi (2nd time) his clone was not effect by genjutsu and clones share the same experiences
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