Spoiler Rin = Jinchuuriki?

[PrinceofPeace]

ok..... but Minato would be much stronger here so he would know to keep the jinjurki protected and watched over. It was the era of war so Jinjurki would be harder to steal during war

HIGHLY DOUBT RIN HAD A BIJJU INSIDE OF HER AT THE START!!!!
-It soo would have been mentioned by Minato
-The elders would want to keep their jinjurki in the village and not on dangerous missions
-Hashirama only kept Kurama to stay in the village so how did they get another one?
-She has now sealing nor animal signs to be a jinkurki
-Kushina would have spent time with a fellow jinjurki
-She is the ONLY jinjurki to be a medic! With a bijju inside you controling your chakra would be a struggle
-Bijju's come out during times of distress so seeing Obito die would bring rage
-Minato and the others would have been worried if a bijju got into enemy hands
-Sensor/ genjutsu ninja would have notice a stronger chakra
-Rin was loved... which most jinjurki are not
-The leaf was not known for having more than one bijju

^reason why Rin was not born with a bijju^

PTS Garra did not have great chakra control. The bijju inside him was doing all of the work. Bee is like Ay... does Ay have great chakra control.. no plus he is friends iwth his bijju so even if he did have great chakra control it would not be comparable. Medical ninjutsu is ADVANCED chakra control

Ther is no sign of a seal on her.

Naruto with Kurama and Bee with Gykui withstood a Chodori! If she had a bijju the bijju would not let her die so easily! The only stamina we have seen is Rin being resistant to genjutsu. Rin could have tapped into the bijju chakra to fight back. Plus she is a medical ninja so she could heal injuries.

It at least would have been mentioned.

huh? Speciulation isn't a valid objection... huh? Explain how they look like bubbles! It looks like the mist is fading. It would be impoosible to see cleary in the mist. The bubbles are chakra and Saskue did not have issues looking at it.

By the last point I mean that the bijju's go into someone from their own village!

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

ok..... but Minato would be much stronger here so he would know to keep the jinjurki protected and watched over. It was the era of war so Jinjurki would be harder to steal during war

HIGHLY DOUBT RIN HAD A BIJJU INSIDE OF HER AT THE START!!!!
-It soo would have been mentioned by Minato
Minato barely spoke during Kakashi Gaiden and I don't see why on Earth he would bring it up. Not to mention Kages don't just reveal secrets at the drop of a hat as you already know.

-The elders would want to keep their jinjurki in the village and not on dangerous missions
How do you know that they didn't get this approach by learning from "the Rin incident" after all Bee was allowed to go on missions until the Third Raikage died, and Gaara went on missions all the time.

-Hashirama only kept Kurama to stay in the village so how did they get another one?
That was never explicitly stated, all that we heard was that the bijuu were split among the five nations to create a power balance how do you know that Konoha didn't keep two. We know that Iwa had two and so did Kumo, and in case you forgot the background stories of the six jinchuuriki are sketchy at best, Yugito's the only one we have some certainty about.

-She has now sealing nor animal signs to be a jinkurki
What was Utakata's animal sign? What was Han's? What was Roshi's? You keep making generalizations based on one or two cases. I could make the case that she's related to Roshi if I go by your logic. Roshi's got a long red band across his nose, Rin's got two purple bands on her cheek, see how this logic is just a bunch of guessing.

-Kushina would have spent time with a fellow jinjurki
DUUUUDE You have no IDEA what the hell Rin did in her spare time. Rin was Minato's student for all we know Kushina was brushing Rin's hair and laughing while they gossiped in between missions.

-She is the ONLY jinjurki to be a medic! With a bijju inside you controling your chakra would be a struggle
Ok maybe I wasn't clear or maybe you didn't read it. You...keep...generalizing. Bee's chakra control seems fine and Gaara's is excellent. Naruto might just naturally have a problem with chakra control, in case you forgot his mother said she had no talent for ninjutsu either, not to mention he has the bijuu with the largest chakra reserves inside of him.

-Bijju's come out during times of distress so seeing Obito die would bring rage
Ok good objection. However, it could be argued that it just brought sorrow. Like finding out Jiraiya died. The killers weren't there at the moment so Rin had no target for her anger, also she probably want to be consoling Obito in his last moments not raging out. Obito was still alive holding her hand. And shortly after that Minato appeared to save the day

-Minato and the others would have been worried if a bijju got into enemy hands
They could have been busy or not known about it. Zetsu said that everyone was on another mission. Have you forgotten the Kushina incident. Genin Minato was the only one who'd realized Kushina'd been captured. Or what about the Hinata incident? That Kumo ninja would've gotten away if Hizashi hadn't noticed.

-Sensor/ genjutsu ninja would have notice a stronger chakra
What sensor ninja?
-Rin was loved... which most jinjurki are not
Maybe unlike Naruto they actually did a good job keeping it a secret. And once again...sigh it's funny at this point...you're making statements you have no possible way of knowing. You KNOW NOTHING abourt Rin's life. And by the time he was in the chuunin exams Naruto also had friends in case you forgot.

^reason why Rin was not born with a bijju^

PTS Garra did not have great chakra control. The bijju inside him was doing all of the work. Bee is like Ay... does Ay have great chakra control.. no plus he is friends iwth his bijju so even if he did have great chakra control it would not be comparable. Medical ninjutsu is ADVANCED chakra control

Umm Gaara started controlling his own sand after the Chuunin Exam arc and he was a master at manipulating it. And what do you mean A has bad chakra control. His Raiton Armor is considered the absolute pinnacle of nintaijutsu. He can specifically control the level of strength he uses with it as well and stream chakra through objects just like Bee (a skill which Kakashi just recently learned and that has been complimented by numerous shinobi for it demonstrating great skill with elemental chakra.

Ther is no sign of a seal on her.
Reading is FUNDAMENTAL. I already answered this.

Naruto with Kurama and Bee with Gykui withstood a Chodori! If she had a bijju the bijju would not let her die so easily! The only stamina we have seen is Rin being resistant to genjutsu. Rin could have tapped into the bijju chakra to fight back. Plus she is a medical ninja so she could heal injuries.

Ok, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you skimmed over my last objections where I answered this point. Naruto moved out the way so his vitals were not hit. Bee is a walking tank, the guy has a strength level on par with A and took a kick to the neck like it didn't even happen. Not to mention the Chidori was not meant to pierce him but to flow electricity through Suigetsu's water to incapacitate him.

How do you know if Rin had the ability to tap into bijuu chakra, Naruto didn't learn how to do it until he had a near death experience training with Jiraiya and he was stronger than Rin at the point.

It at least would have been mentioned.
Weak objection. If Kishi meant for this to be a surprise he would specifically avoid mentioning it.

By the last point I mean that the bijju's go into someone from their own village!

In Red

Look this theory may be complete crap and Kishi might have another explanation but at this point in time I cannot think of any big plot hole that this theory would open up. It answers questions in my opinion.

[paradigm1977]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

In Red

Look this theory may be complete crap and Kishi might have another explanation but at this point in time I cannot think of any big plot hole that this theory would open up. It answers questions in my opinion.

I agree with your counterpoints. Except 2. It's hard to compare 1/2 Kurama chakra with all of the 8 tails. Unless I'm wrong on something.

And the Iwa ninja of Gaiden were sensors. They detected Obito outside the cave.

[Bazk]

Gaara got to go out on mission because
1. There was no war
2. he cant be hurt

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by paradigm1977

I agree with your counterpoints. Except 2. It's hard to compare 1/2 Kurama chakra with all of the 8 tails. Unless I'm wrong on something.

And the Iwa ninja of Gaiden were sensors. They detected Obito outside the cave.

I used to think that too until I saw the last dozen chapters where Naruto's displayed an other wordly level of stamina completely ignoring every single logical limitation and pumping out more and more Kyuubi chakra at an unbelievable rate. Bee actually mentioned the limits of his god like stamina twice in the series (once after his long fight with Sasuke and a second after he gave Samehada so much chakra during his Kisame fight), Naruto on the other hand hasn't been out of chakra since he got Rikudo Mode. The only limit we've seen is that his CLONE can get tired after 2FRSs, numerous rasengan variants, high speed body flicker, tajuu kage bunshin, and a wall of Giant Ball Rasengans.

I guess it is still a little hard to judge because we haven't had too many direct comparisons between Bee and Naruto but still.

[MrNarutowatcher]

Originally Posted by Jakropha

The problem is, that Ay actually contemplated killing Bee, and Tsunade made it sound as if it was possible. So it's assumable that the same thing applies to all Bijuu, not just Kurama.


Nowhere has that been stated as a fact, but 2-3 years sounds more plausible.


Also, as to PoP, please, don't attack a theory unless you see SERIOUS flaws, Vivi has a point here, there is no problem with pointing out some flaws, but the main point is, it's plausible.
Bee is not directly related to A,
Yugito was white, Raikage are black, I will be honest with you, I don't think blonde is an albino color, plus she would have red eyes, not blue. (don't be dumb and mention the Sharingan)
Rin could very possibly be closely Sarutobi.
Utakata in no way could be the son of Yagura.
Plus, and I'm sorry for bringing filler into this, but Utakata had the 6 tails put in him by force, and his relation seemed to be the one inserting it, please tell me why the chief sealer would be related to the Kage? One big relationship in the mist?
Fuu, and Roshi, old enough to be all the Kage's grandparents

Regardless, Obito is Tobi, so don't ever say that something is impossible, because Kishi doesn't like that kind of talk.

did everyone forget about the three tails and the fact that it survived wild by itself until it was captured without a jinchuriki no one knows how it was freed but it can be assumed that the tailed beast would roam wild without a jinchuriki as jinchuriki were made to control said beast and that the villages assimilate another jinchuriki before the previous passes in order to maintain their control of their tailed beast.? I think that kurama and perhaps the 8 tails as well would have died until reincarnation because of the jinchuriki's control over them and their relationships to their respective jinchuriki a sharing of chakra and so to speak

[MrNarutowatcher]

Originally Posted by MrNarutowatcher

did everyone forget about the three tails and the fact that it survived wild by itself until it was captured without a jinchuriki no one knows how it was freed but it can be assumed that the tailed beast would roam wild without a jinchuriki as jinchuriki were made to control said beast and that the villages assimilate another jinchuriki before the previous passes in order to maintain their control of their tailed beast.? I think that kurama and perhaps the 8 tails as well would have died until reincarnation because of the jinchuriki's control over them and their relationships to their respective jinchuriki a sharing of chakra and so to speak

and also did we all forget about the child kabuto had with oro that could control the three tails chakra???? it wasn't explained as to how maybe he was the reincarnation of the third mizukage or maybe oro had transplanted the thrid mizukage's cells into the child to cultivate that control however we do know the child's power was based on a kekkai and his emotions Rin could of easily had some type of similiar powers for whatever reason their are severl avenues of explantion that would be plausibable

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

Originally Posted by Vivi

Lack of evidence doesn't neccessarily means an argument is wrong Yoko when there is a certain degree of logic behind it.

That doesn't mean it's right either, also, I didn't say your argument was wrong, I just presented mine.

Jakropha has a good counter-argument, but that might've been just to show some seriousness during the battle.

If Rin was a Jinchuriki, the following statement is true for all Bijuus :

'A bijuu will "die" with its jinchūriki, if it is still sealed within them at the time of its host's death. The Bijuu will, however, be revived later.'

This is automatically proven because if Rin would've died together with her Bijuu and as of right now, all the Bijuus are 'alive', it would mean that the Bijuu stored inside her would be revived later.

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What might've happened :

Rin goes numb (maybe sees Kakashi hurt), transforms to a Bijuu (several tails) and starts killing without control, Kakashi, in order to stop her stabs the Bijuu thinking Rin will still be alive after the Bijuu dies, but it results wrong.

The clouds / smoke around Rin & Kakashi (when Kakashi pierces with Chidori) mean that the Bijuu transformed back to Rin and the little bubbles (fading out) might present the Bijuu Cloak (remember, it has bubbles around it)

There you go, I'm in defense of what you said, Vivi, battle positions ready.

[paradigm1977]

Originally Posted by Kyūbi no Yōko

If Rin was a Jinchuriki, the following statement is true for all Bijuus :

'A bijuu will "die" with its jinchūriki, if it is still sealed within them at the time of its host's death. The Bijuu will, however, be revived later.'

This is automatically proven because if Rin would've died together with her Bijuu and as of right now, all the Bijuus are 'alive', it would mean that the Bijuu stored inside her would be revived later.

Wait, what info do you have on all the bijuus being alive at this time. Rin being the three tails, dieing, and then the three tails roming around in the wild later, would fit. Because it was reincarnated into the wild.

Except you say as of "right now".... when right now?

[DrKage]

Wasn't the 3 tails inside Yagura now?

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

Originally Posted by paradigm1977

Wait, what info do you have on all the bijuus being alive at this time. Rin being the three tails, dieing, and then the three tails roming around in the wild later, would fit. Because it was reincarnated into the wild.

Except you say as of "right now".... when right now?

All Bijuus are stored in the Gedo Mazo except Kurama and Gyuki which are currently stored in Naruto and Bee.

[paradigm1977]

Originally Posted by Kyūbi no Yōko

All Bijuus are stored in the Gedo Mazo except Kurama and Gyuki which are currently stored in Naruto and Bee.

OK, I thought you meant as of right now in the latest chapter/flashback. Not the present a few chapters ago.

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

I was talking real-time .

[PrinceofPeace]

@ Jli n your counterpoints

-Why would Minato risked taking a jinjurki out in the war during such a harsh time. It is during the war and she and her team is not strong to defend themselves (as it was already proven). Minato would have mentioned something like that

-Rin is NO WHERE NEAR on Garra's and Bee's level. RIn could only heal people. There are plenty of other medical ninjutsu users that could have gone in her place. Or a stronger ninja like Asuma. Rin only held them back (as we have already seen) Garra's sand protected him and made him harder to capture and B was training to control his bijju and he was protected by his bro
.
-It would have been mentioed that they kept 2 bijju. I will try to find the proof later. Minato or Kushina would have told Naruto or Iruka would have told. Or it would have been stated by Tobirama or Hiruzen at least. And it would have been explained how the bijju left

-agreed

-agreed

- PTS Garra has a weaker bijju and he was being protected by his mother. He has not shown greath chakra control. Bee is a grown man and had constant time to trian and control his bijju

-When Garra died Naruto showed more than sorrow!! Rin could have even broken out of the genjutsu with the bijju or the sensory ninja would have sensed the power of a bijju. I thought an Iwa was a sensor ... hold on

-They would have sent out to find Rin at least if she had a bijju

-This is a theroy of course everything I say will not be proof. It is assumptions but not everything is

-her mom was controlling the sand

-You act like it is impossible for Rin to have survived

-It is poossible they mention lots of things

[Godaime Kazekage]

*Bump* (For the reps and fame)

Props to Vivi for the idea. Props to me for being right about it being Isobu and not Saiken

[Larry01239]

Isobu? Saiken?

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by Vivi

When Obito makes his way to the scene of Rins murder there are two sfx that belong to an Animal.

An Animals cry and roar to be exact and that loud as Obito heard it from a distance.
Yet when Obito arrived no such thing was there.

Instead we have Rin being stabbed by Kakashi around her are some bubbles.(transforming back)

Also remember this:
Rin was cast under a Genjutsu by the Iwa nin in Gaiden being told to be "Unexpectedly stubborn" and told that her chakra flow is different from Kakashi and Obito.
Genjutsu didn't really work on her the same way as with Bee.

This is actually incredible theory and deduction based on that little hint... I like to celebrate the victory of predictions...and it's ur turn today hahaha...rep!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

Ok, I know this is way out there and will probably be disproved in a few hours, but let me add this.

The Tailed Beast put in Rin was Isobu (3 tails) and not Saiken (6 tails). Everyone assumes that Yagura was assassinated or something causing Isobu to run free. What if instead he was sealed in another Mist shinobi, but this was unstable and they heard about Rin having special chakra/body or something and wanted to seal it in her, but this fails as shown in the last chapters. Isobu dies and is the real reason that Akatsuki has to wait until the current time to set their plan in action, because Isobu hadn't been reincarnated/brought back to life yet. Does anyone know how long it takes a Bijuu to be resurrected after their host dies? The place they were fighting was near a lake, so maybe this was where Tobi/Deidara found Isobu.

Major hole in this theory: The Mist would be without a Mizukage for a looooooong time if it were true.

Major deduction... the details here are closer than the original op so there u have it...another brilliant mind...hehe

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

If I am wrong I shall dedicate a thread to you cuz you were the first to talk about this theory

Were still waiting for that thread Pop

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

Vivi is a genius.

[paradigm1977]

PoP, I wish I had remembered this thread when you kept claiming in the "vote for the better leader," thread that you don't make assumptions. All kinds of stuff in this thread.

You don't have to make a thread dedicated to vivi and this theory. Even though you said you would. I'm sure you will be let off the hook.

I, of course, thought vivi's bandwagon was looking nice when it pulled up, so I jumped right on.

wrong on which bijuu, but that wasn't as important as Rin being Jinchurike.

rep for vivi and Godaime.