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Old 10-03-2012, 08:19 AM   #1
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Default Cherokee vs Zulu - Historical military comparison

Two native peoples, powerful in their regions but eventually defeated by Western powers. However, if they would fight each other, how would the conflict end?

Discuss freely using any knowledge that you have about the warring faction. Take numbers, equipment, skill, leadership, terrain etc. into account.

Cherokee people

Numbers: Unknown, no standing army. All young men were drafted in times of war.
Tactics: Ambush or hit-and-run tactics.
Terrain: Plains and grasslands, some forests.
Soldier armor: Cloth.
Soldier shield: Small, round wooden shield.
Soldier weaponry: Tomahawk axe, simple spear, simple bow. Some firearms.

Zulu Kingdom

Numbers: 25,000
Tactics: "Bull horn" formation.
Terrain: Plains and savannas, some jungle.
Soldier armor: Animal hide.
Soldier shield: Big, oval cowhide shield.
Soldier weaponry: Iklwa spear, Assegai javelin, wooden club, stone axe. Some firearms.

My own conclusion:
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The Zulu were superior in discipline, and had a larger amount of active soldiers. The Zulu also possessed weapons with iron (which is far superior to the Cherokee's wood and stone weapons), and their spear formation should easily counter any Cherokee cavalry. Shaka was also a very skilled military tactician, but no Cherokee commander has gone to history in that way.
Final result: Zulu victory
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Zulu is a cooler name. Plus they're from Africa, just like Black Panther and he can beat any Native American any day. Ergo, the Zulu win.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:33 PM   #3
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My knowledge of the Cherokee doesn't extend past 5-6th grade social studies so I wouldn't be able to assess their strength accurately but if I'm not mistaken the Zulu were pretty well versed in combat, and even managed to defeat a few English soldiers with guns before they fell to their more advanced weaponry.

*Looks at your conclusion* Yep looks like we agree.
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There is a historical probem with this matchup.

Zulu fought the British in 1870s.

Cherokee were already forced onto the Trail of Tears journey and left by 1830s.
Not exactly comparable due to time difference and size difference and acquired tactics and knowledge and weaponry.

It makes more sense to use Plains Indian tribes or a coaltion of them or of them. If I recall, Zulu were pretty huge in numbers.
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Zulu, they were pretty ruthless and could kick some ass. The Zulu leader is one of the most blood-thirsty military minds in the recent past. They got this.
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Shaka's badass. Zulu takes this due to advancements.
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There is a historical probem with this matchup.

Zulu fought the British in 1870s.

Cherokee were already forced onto the Trail of Tears journey and left by 1830s.
Not exactly comparable due to time difference and size difference and acquired tactics and knowledge and weaponry.

It makes more sense to use Plains Indian tribes or a coaltion of them or of them. If I recall, Zulu were pretty huge in numbers.
if memory serves the Zulu refused to use fire arms..their metallurgy maybe better and their tactics more advanced but they'd be facing mobile enemies with firearms

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Zulu, they were pretty ruthless and could kick some ass. The Zulu leader is one of the most blood-thirsty military minds in the recent past. They got this.
the Zulu were very ruthless but didn't they kinda fight stupid?

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Shaka's badass. Zulu takes this due to advancements.
it should be interesting to see them fight in a protracted war to my knowledge both sides sucked at things like logistics and maintaining supply lines
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if memory serves the Zulu refused to use fire arms..their metallurgy maybe better and their tactics more advanced but they'd be facing mobile enemies with firearms
Well some Zulu did but they were mainly those stolen from the enemy.
Zulu were primarily melee fighters in conduct and all. Many of them didn't exactly know how to use it.

How many Cherokees were there at its peak anyone?

I look at the location and it seems to be a little more even although Cherokee aren't exactly grassland fighter folk. Zulu clearly are.


Zulu did beat the British army in the initial invasion.


I like to see the Iroquois League vs Zulu.
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Just wondering, why are these in the multiverse section, aren't they singleverse?
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if memory serves the Zulu refused to use fire arms..their metallurgy maybe better and their tactics more advanced but they'd be facing mobile enemies with firearms


the Zulu were very ruthless but didn't they kinda fight stupid?


it should be interesting to see them fight in a protracted war to my knowledge both sides sucked at things like logistics and maintaining supply lines
The Zulu warriors had a very effective battle tactic that could defeat most melee formations. However, they were not as deadly against soldiers equipped with firearms. Click the link in my first post saying "Bull horn formation" and you will see a picture of it.
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Just wondering, why are these in the multiverse section, aren't they singleverse?
I believed that "Singleverse" was only for the Naruto universe, plus the Cherokee and Zulu were not at their peak simultaneously. Though maybe "Singleverse" would be a more appropriate section?

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Technically this should be in the Singleverse although Multiverse attract more attention.

Anymore historical matchups you are interested in?
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Technically this should be in the Singleverse although Multiverse attract more attention.

Anymore historical matchups you are interested in?
Oh, I plan to make dozens of such comparisons if I only get the time. Though I don't want to copy Deadliest Warrior too much...
Next comparison might be Nazi Germany (1939-1945) vs North Vietnam (1945-1976). Though I have not find very reliable sources about the number of tanks, ships or aircraft used, only the types of those weapons.
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