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Old 09-30-2012, 08:24 PM   #41
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Infernape has grass knot which counters the common heavy ground type and heavy water types, has stone edge which kills flying types, and most psychics hate phyical attacks. Both of those attacks are used in Infernape's mixed attacker set.


Blaziken just hits hard with two attacks that do a lot of damage before Blaziken is defeated which is a lot of damage with an attack power of 724 after one sword dance

Charizard requires help to beat it's weaknesses Ninetails or grondon to make the weather sunny, Vensaur to defeat the water and rock types, and a rapid spinner like to Hitmontop to remove stealth rock.
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Infernape has grass knot which counters the common heavy ground type and heavy water types, has stone edge which kills flying types, and most psychics hate phyical attacks. Both of those attacks are used in Infernape's mixed attacker set.
Wow so your infernape has
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-stone edge
-(insert physical attack)
-(insert fire attack)

That is a good line up (i guess) but not ideal/perferect. The grass/rock moves would be weaker since Infernape is not grass nor rock. Not all water types are heavy. Swampert has a nice size to him and faster flying types can fly away before damage is done. Stone edge does not have the best accuracy.

Also Speed is one of the best things about Infernape. The downside is with just one move his greatest trait can be his weakest all thanks to... TRICK ROOM!! Inferape would be the slowest


Blaziken just hits hard with two attacks that do a lot of damage before Blaziken is defeated which is a lot of damage with an attack power of 724 after one sword dance
In that time Swampert just used Earthquake/Hydro Pump... the end

Charizard requires help to beat it's weaknesses Ninetails or grondon to make the weather sunny,
Vensaur to defeat the water and rock types, and a rapid spinner like to Hitmontop to remove stealth rock.
Same goes for most fire-types
But we agree on Swampert
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Speed Boost Blaziken>>>>>>Swampert.

Speed Boost Blaziken>>>>>>Most Everything.

That's why it's in Banned IIRC.
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And what attack takes out Swampert with one hit?
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It doesn't need to take it out in one hit. It more than likely has 2 with speed boost. Life Orb high jump kick takes it out in one probably anyhow. With the Life orb and STAB.
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Now were using items??

Then Swampert would have focus slash or mystic water ?? No need for them anyway Swampert finishes with one of any of these attacks:
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And Swampert goes first and survives two high jump kicks how?
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Against Swampert Grass knot has 80 base power plus double super effective if used by Infernape it is able to kill Swampert in 2 hits but if Infernape was able get a nasty plot in before Swampert showed up it's a one hit kill.

Blaziken would have to swap out against Swampert
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-he does not have to go first... I never said he would. But he would surivie ONE attack. (can we not use items)

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I don't think you all comprehend speed boost blaziken.
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okay he would go first we get that but speed does not make his attack stronger... just faster. Plus being fast does not mean he can tank a Hydro cannon nor a Earthquake

I doubt Blaziken/Infernape/Embroar

Would survive against
-Torterra (could tank one attack and finish with Earthquake)
-Charizard (could tank 1-2 attacks and finish with brave bird/Fly/Aerial Ace)
-Other water starters

At least Swampert can beat some grass types (grass types are usually slow and a blizzard/icicle crash/ice punch/avalanche would finish the job
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Speed Boost Blaziken is UU. The only starter to be in the Uber Tier. Ever.

It pretty much wrecks shop with everything. It's quite literally the most terrifying sweeper I have ever seen.
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IT IS FAST YES

But that does not mean it can 1 hit k.o. a pokemon that is stronger element wise
You have just been saying that Blaziken is higher tier and is fast
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After Stealth Rock damage sun support by Groundon and a sword dance Blaziken can one hit a lot of powerful power in uber
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If Blaziken gets one swords dance up, it OHKO's everything in all tiers that doesn't resist it.

Whether it's a high jump kick or flare blitz.
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Yes Blaziken would waste his turn not causing damage but preping his strenght

After he does that it will be Swampert next and he will finish the job with Earthquake
-super effective against Blaziken
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-Swampert excels in attack
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Speed boost Blaziken vs Swampert, who has the most dismal speed known to man.

Hmm... Wonder who would be able to go twice in a row.
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lets see using a move calculator after one sword dance with life orb
with jolly nature vs max defence swampert
252Atk Life Orb +2 Blaziken (Neutral) Hi Jump Kick vs 252HP/252Def Swampert (+Def): 99% - 116% (400 - 472 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 94% chance to OHKO.
with adamant nature vs max defence swampert
252Atk Life Orb +2 Blaziken (+Atk) Hi Jump Kick vs 252HP/252Def Swampert (+Def): 108% - 128% (439 - 520 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.
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Default Re: Fav, Pokemon Starters

no items just the pokemon and when has a pokemon gone twice
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