Inoichi vs Dan

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

They're fighting in the forest of death, they have full knowledge of each other and they start on the opposite ends of the forest.

Who wins?

[Vivi]

Well Inoichis Mind Body Disturbance seems to be pretty much instant.

Then again Dan could probably get outta that with his Spirit Transformation.

Inoichi is the master of mind jutsus so I wouldn't put it past him to have a counter though since he hasn't shown to do so.=/

[PrinceofPeace]

I am going with Yamanka on this

1-Finding your foe

- Locating your foe would be like finding a needle in a haystack for Dan but Yamanka this is easy. Yamanka can easily sense his foe from afar and locate his postion.

Fighiting long/close ranged

1- Yamanka can find a nice hiding spot and take control of a giant animal to attack and kill Dan. This would at least make Dan tired and possibly kill Dan

2- Mind body distrubance would quickly take effect and control Dan's movements. I do not see Dan breaking out of this. He would force Dan to give Yamanka all of the weapons he had and force him to kill himself or at least force him to tie him to a tree so that he can not use any more jutsu

Dan NEEDS 2 hand signs to use his ghost ability and when the yamanka contorols his movements and forces himself to
-cut off his hand
-tie himeself to a tree
Then Dan can not GO GHOST (lol get it Danny Phantom reference) thus he will not win

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

I am going with Yamanka on this

1-Finding your foe

- Locating your foe would be like finding a needle in a haystack for Dan but Yamanka this is easy. Yamanka can easily sense his foe from afar and locate his postion.

Fighiting long/close ranged

1- Yamanka can find a nice hiding spot and take control of a giant animal to attack and kill Dan. This would at least make Dan tired and possibly kill Dan

2- Mind body distrubance would quickly take effect and control Dan's movements. I do not see Dan breaking out of this. He would force Dan to give Yamanka all of the weapons he had and force him to kill himself or at least force him to tie him to a tree so that he can not use any more jutsu

Dan NEEDS 2 hand signs to use his ghost ability and when the yamanka contorols his movements and forces himself to
-cut off his hand
-tie himeself to a tree
Then Dan can not GO GHOST (lol get it Danny Phantom reference) thus he will not win

Almost however this is what I see possibly happening, they start off at opposite ends, right, Dan could hide and then use his ghost jutsu, while he is ghost, he can apparently touch people, but nothing can touch him, he can also possess things as well along with the fact that he seems to be able to move a great distance in a short amount of time.

So in the end it all depends on who finds who's body first and delivers the killing blow, also Inoichi couldn't make Dan kill himself unless he were able to find Dan while in his own body and use mind disturbance, otherwise he'd risk killing himself with mind body switch. Also mind disturbance can only work if there is mind within the body to control.

In the end it all comes down to who finds who's body first, I think they both have decent chance at finding the other persons body, but while all of Inoichi's jutsu's require Dan's spirit do be within his body, Dan's does not.

I'm not sure who would win this one actually, I think it over a little more. However, you shouldn't count Dan out just yet.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

Almost however this is what I see possibly happening, they start off at opposite ends, right, Dan could hide and then use his ghost jutsu, while he is ghost, he can apparently touch people, but nothing can touch him, he can also possess things as well along with the fact that he seems to be able to move a great distance in a short amount of time.
IT would be OOC for Dan to use a suicidal move right off the bat! WHy would he give up from the start and kill himself. He has no knowledge on his foe so that would be a whimpy/foolish move

So in the end it all depends on who finds who's body first and delivers the killing blow, also Inoichi couldn't make Dan kill himself unless he were able to find Dan while in his own body and use mind disturbance, otherwise he'd risk killing himself with mind body switch. Also mind disturbance can only work if there is mind within the body to control.
Most likely Inoichi finds Dan first because Inoichi is a sensor ninja. Dan would need luck and for Inoichi to be right infront of his face to find Inoichi first. Inoichi can take over an animal and use them to kill Dan! Inochi will not use Mind Swith cuz it is too risky. He would only use it if Dan could not move. WIthout Dan's 2 hand seals the ghost jutsu is impossible

In the end it all comes down to who finds who's body first, I think they both have decent chance at finding the other persons body, but while all of Inoichi's jutsu's require Dan's spirit do be within his body, Dan's does not.
How would Dan find Inochi first?? Very unlikely! Inochi has the advantage cuz he is a sensor ninja. Dan will not blitz Ghost especially when he has no knowledge of his foe. Even IF mind jutsu's do not effect the spirit Inochi could hide. He would take control of a giant animal and hide inside its mouth/body

Inochi has more feats and is better
Dan would not use ghost ability right off the bat
Inochi would find Dan first cuz he is a sensor

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Inochi has more feats and is better
Dan would not use ghost ability right off the bat
Inochi would find Dan first cuz he is a sensor

I'm not sure if it's because you didn't properly read the OP or what, but I said they both have full knowledge of each other so Dan does have knowledge of Inoichi and his jutsu's.

Dans jutsu is not suicidal, it's basically like mind body switch, he's able to make his spirit leave his body, but he does not die. He was said to have used it many times, it's only weakness is that if someone finds his body then they can kill him.

It's his only jutsu so he would use right off the bat, especially if he knows he's going up against Inoichi.

Inoichi would have a hard time finding Dan, only because sensors sense chakra and without Dan's spirit in his body, his body no longer has chakra in it therefore Inoichi's sensor ability really wouldn't do him much good.

So in the end it really still comes down to who finds who's body first. on top of the fact that Dan would hide his body Dan could also set traps to protect his body IF Inoichi was able to find it.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

I'm not sure if it's because you didn't properly read the OP or what, but I said they both have full knowledge of each other so Dan does have knowledge of Inoichi and his jutsu's.
lol my bad

Dans jutsu is not suicidal, it's basically like mind body switch, he able to make his spirit leave his body, but he does not die. He was said to have used it many times, it's only weakness is that if someone finds his body then can kill him.
Well Inochi can easily find his body since he is a sensor ninja
Dan can not stay out of his body foever and he would waste a lot of time looking for Inochi
Inochi can get an animal to do his dirty work or hide in a giant animal

It's his only jutsu so he would use right off the bat, especially if he knows he's going up against Inoichi.
agreed but he still would have a hard time finding him

Inoichi would have a hard time finding Dan, only because sensors sense chakra and without Dan's spirit in his body, his body no longer has chakra in it therefore Inoichi's sensor ability really wouldn't do him much good.
No matter Inoichi would sense the spot where the chakra came from last and remeber it. Since Dan needs 2 hand signs to use it and may not use it off the bat Inochi will have the time to sense and remeber Dan's wherabouts. ALso Inochi can use animals to help him find Dan

So in the end it really still comes down to who finds who's body first. on top of the fact that would hide his body Dan could also set traps to protect his body IF Inoichi was able to find it
Well not much has changed! Inochi still has a better chance of finding Dan then Dan has of finding Inochi. The ghost should still be chakra and sensed! Setting traps would waste time cuz Dan can not be outside of his body forever. Inochi would be alert and control his mind from afar when he is within distance or use a animal to finish the job
.

I still do not see how Inochi loses this

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

I still do not see how Inochi loses this

Like I said before, wouldn't do him much good, he might be able to sense the direction he was in depending on how soon Dan uses his jutsu, however, even if Dan's ghost is made of chakra Inoichi would just be sensing Dan's movements not his body. Like you said the forest of death if a big place and while knowing a direction could help, it won't guarantee him the win.

Inoichi would send an animal to do his dirty work, however he would have to choose his animals wisely otherwise the other animals could kill him.

Dan can move really great distances in short amount of time, while he is ghost, so he could cover more ground faster than Inoichi could, while looking for his body and while they both could set traps around their bodies, Dan would not be affected by the traps, while Inoichi would.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

Like I said before, wouldn't do him much good, he might be able to sense the direction he was in depending on how soon Dan uses his jutsu, however, even if Dan's ghost is made of chakra Inoichi would just be sensing Dan's movements not his body. Like you said the forest of death if a big place and while knowing a direction could help, it won't guarantee him the win.
It does not guartantee a win for Dan either. Inochi senses chakra NOT body movements

Inoichi would send an animal to do his dirty work, however he would have to choose his animals wisely otherwise the other animals could kill him.
what animal is strong enough (mentally) to break out of Inochi's control??

Dan can move really great distances in short amount of time, while he is ghost, so he could cover more ground faster than Inoichi could, while looking for his body and while they both could set traps around their bodies, Dan would not be affected by the traps, while Inoichi would.
We do not know Dan's trap feats. If Inochi hides than who cares how fast Dan is. Inochi can hide inside of an animal or in tree roots

COuntered

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

COuntered

What you don't seem to be understanding is that I'm not talking about the animal that Inoichi takes control of, I'm talking about the other ones. Inoichi can only be certain distance away from the animal he is controlling while using mind disturbance which mean he would have to use mind body switch to even go that far with an animal.

Lets say he takes control of a bear right, what if a pack of tigers shows up and kills the bear he's inside of?

Inoichi has two weaknesses, A if someone finds his body and kills him, he dies, if someone kills whatever his mind is in. What you don't see m understand is that both Dan and Inoichi's jutsu's require them to leave their bodies. There isn't an animal big enough in the forest of death as fa as we know that Inoichi can take control of an hide his body in because Giant snakes apparently belonged to Orochimaru who is not a factor in this.

I know that Inoichi can sense chakra and if Dan turns into a ghost that won't help him find Dan's body since he would only be able to sense where Dan is going and not where he was.

[PrinceofPeace]

Inochi finds big animal...
Inochi takes control of the animal and the animal swallows Inochi so Inochi hides in animal belly
or
hides in the forest

If that happened he would use mind disturbance to take control of the other animals. Or he could at least fight them off. The wolf pack can also happen to Dan while he is out of his body. Or inochi would take control of a stronger animal like a GIANT SNAKE. Inochi can control more than one animal at a time. Dan would have no way that his body was in danger and it would be defenseless. We do not know Dan's traps feats and making traps would take a lot of time. Inochi has a better time surviving in the forest with animals than Dan

FALSE... Inochi does not HAVE to leave his body to use stuff like mind disturbance. All of Dan's ninjutsu does require him to leave his body though. The if the giant snake was Oro's than it should have poofed away instead of being killed by Naruto

Inochi would be able to sense where the trace of his body was from where he last sensed it.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Inochi finds big animal...
Inochi takes control of the animal and the animal swallows Inochi so Inochi hides in animal belly
or
hides in the forest

If that happened he would use mind disturbance to take control of the other animals. Or he could at least fight them off. The wolf pack can also happen to Dan while he is out of his body. Or inochi would take control of a stronger animal like a GIANT SNAKE. Inochi can control more than one animal at a time. Dan would have no way that his body was in danger and it would be defenseless. We do not know Dan's traps feats and making traps would take a lot of time. Inochi has a better time surviving in the forest with animals than Dan

FALSE... Inochi does not HAVE to leave his body to use stuff like mind disturbance. All of Dan's ninjutsu does require him to leave his body though. The if the giant snake was Oro's than it should have poofed away instead of being killed by Naruto

Inochi would be able to sense where the trace of his body was from where he last sensed it.

You're not hearing me dude, because some of what you are saying makes no sense.

The snakes did belong to Orochimaru, he used it to try and get rid of Naruto, remember how he commented to Naruto about how he managed to escape his "little friend". I don't know why it didn't poof away, ask Kishimoto. I think it was because they hadn't gone into the summoning jutsu yet.

What I mean is that Inoichi has to be with in a certain distanceof his targets to use mind disturbance and it has not be proven that Inoichi can move while he is using any of his jutsu's within the manga. Otherwise to go the distance you are suggesting with an animal he would have to use mind body switch.

Since the snakes in fact did belong to Orochimaru he would be able to find and animal big enough to hid his body inside. and no matter what animal he pick so far as I can see there isn't an animal in the forest of death that is at the top of the food chain. The best chance he's got is if he finds a Tiger and even then he's in danger of being killed by giant leeches.

No we don't know Dan's trap feats, but anyone can work a paper bomb, even Naruto has proven that.

Inoichi would no be able to tell if Dan was moving around in his body or not, the only thing he would know is that he is moving around and by the time he would even be able figure out if that were Dan in his body or as a ghost, Dan might have found his body already or searched more than half the forest while Inoichi has been wasting This time trying to follow.

While Inoichi is in another body he cannot use his any other jutsu but the release so defending himself with mind disturbance while he's in another body is completely out of the question.

[PrinceofPeace]

they already went into summoning jutsu with kakashi. There is no proof that it was Oro's snake when Oro summoned a snake right after it. It is not one of Oro's known snakes to summon

He uses mind disturbance than rides/hides in an animal


The same probability of a higher level food chain animal finds Dan's body and eats it while Dan is away from his body. At least Inochi can at put up a fight while Dan can not. Dan is open to any animal attacks not just a high level strong animal

Does not mean he has enough equipment to make a good trap and animals can always trigger the trap

Inochi would know by the speed and movements of the body is traveling and that a jutsu was casted

He would only be using mind disturbance which would subdue more than one though

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

they already went into summoning jutsu with kakashi. There is no proof that it was Oro's snake when Oro summoned a snake right after it. It is not one of Oro's known snakes to summon

Yes, they showed Kakashi Summon, but they didn't explain it is what I'm saying. Orochimaru implied that it was his snake to Naruto, but he really didn't seem to care that he killed it

He uses mind disturbance than rides/hides in an animal

Inoichi has to be able to move first, otherwise how is he going to be able to get on top of the animal

The same probability of a higher level food chain animal finds Dan's body and eats it while Dan is away from his body. At least Inochi can at put up a fight while Dan can not. Dan is open to any animal attacks not just a high level strong animal

This is the reason Dan would hide his body inside of a tree or something and then set traps as a ghost

Does not mean he has enough equipment to make a good trap and animals can always trigger the trap

Trip wire, paper bombs and Kunai's are very simple to work dude

Inochi would know by the speed and movements of the body is traveling and that a jutsu was casted

And how do you know that Inoichi would know that Dan used the Jutsu, all he would know is that Dan is moving and even if he were to somehow figure it out that's still not telling him where Dan's body is

He would only be using mind disturbance which would subdue more than one though

Dan can posses things as well as give his chakra to other people, so what happens if Dan give some of his chakra to a few animals to confuse Inoichi?

[PrinceofPeace]

They have not gone into deatil about a lot of things. But all animal summonings have *pooofed* away at death. So that snake was not Oro's... and you can not prove that it was Oro's summoning

Inochi would control the animal so that it comes to him

And Inochi can sense the last place his body was before he moves at high speeds

Likewise for Inochi and they are able to be deactivated and animals would mess with the traps

Inochi would tell that a jutsu was used because he is a sensor ninja. Also It would be very odd for Dan to suddenly be moving at top speed in a weird flying fasion. Ichochi cans still sense ghost Dan

Inochi would sense the one with the most chakra and the one flying and moving the fastest. When have animals ever been given chakra when they do not even have a chakra networK??

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

They have not gone into deatil about a lot of things. But all animal summonings have *pooofed* away at death. So that snake was not Oro's... and you can not prove that it was Oro's summoning

Dude, when Orochimaru refers to the snakes as his "little friend" its more than reasonable to assume that it was his snake, otherwise he would not have cared

He was planing on using the snake to keep Naruto out of the way while he marked Sasuke

Inochi would control the animal so that it comes to him

And Inochi can sense the last place his body was before he moves at high speeds

direction is not a location

Likewise for Inochi and they are able to be deactivated and animals would mess with the traps

Inochi would tell that a jutsu was used because he is a sensor ninja. Also It would be very odd for Dan to suddenly be moving at top speed in a weird flying fasion. Ichochi cans still sense ghost Dan

sensing ghost Dan would not tell Inoichi were Dan's body is

Inochi would sense the one with the most chakra and the one flying and moving the fastest. When have animals ever been given chakra when they do not even have a chakra networK??

Animals do have chakra networks, how do you think some of them become ninja?

It was stated during part one way towards the beginning that chakra exist within all living things

There isn't an animal big enough for Inoichi to hide inside so Dan would plainly be able to see him riding on an animal and attack him since it seem that he can touch people while in ghost form.

Also abotu Dan giving his Chakra to animals, you can't really say that Inoichi could just sense the the one with the most chakra since Dan could just divide his chakra among the animals and himself evenly, like Naruto did with his shadow clones to trick Neji's byakugan.

[PrinceofPeace]

It was a snake so it was his friend. You can not prove that it was oro's summonings just cuz he called it his friend. Oro could have befriended it. The main point is the Snake did not poof away so it was not an Oro summoning. I have stated proven common feats that it was not an Oro summoning but you are assuming by what Oro implied. Oro could have asked the snake to or commanded it without it being a summonig. It was not an summoning or it would ahve poofed away. You can not prove taht it was a summoning due to assuming and impling.

It's better than what Dan has

but he would at least know his postion and would sense the last time he used a jutsu.

Prove that the animals in the Forest were ninja animals. Prove that they have chakra networks. When did they say that? Even if this plan were possible the chakra would be a lot weaker/smaller if Dan gave them some chakra.If Dan split his chakra to many people than Dan would run out of chakra faster. Naruto was very skilled to do what he did with the clones and Dan has not shown that great chakra control. The movements would be obviously different as well. THe snake or hiding in the forest is a great place to hide as well

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

It was a snake so it was his friend. You can not prove that it was oro's summonings just cuz he called it his friend. Oro could have befriended it. The main point is the Snake did not poof away so it was not an Oro summoning. I have stated proven common feats that it was not an Oro summoning but you are assuming by what Oro implied. Oro could have asked the snake to or commanded it without it being a summonig. It was not an summoning or it would ahve poofed away. You can not prove taht it was a summoning due to assuming and impling.

It was not the only time that summon creature did not poof away, remember the messenger toad and how Danzo was able to kill him without him poofing away and Manda also did not poof away when he died either, the simple fact of the matter is that summons creatures can only poof away when they are injured, not when they are killed

The simple fact of the mater is that if it were not Orochimaru's snake, he would not have cared, he would not have even mentioned it at all

It's better than what Dan has

but he would at least know his postion and would sense the last time he used a jutsu.

Prove that the animals in the Forest were ninja animals. Prove that they have chakra networks. When did they say that? Even if this plan were possible the chakra would be a lot weaker/smaller if Dan gave them some chakra.If Dan split his chakra to many people than Dan would run out of chakra faster. Naruto was very skilled to do what he did with the clones and Dan has not shown that great chakra control. The movements would be obviously different as well. THe snake or hiding in the forest is a great place to hide as well

I did not say that the animals in the forest of death, were ninja's, however, it has been more than proven that animals can become ninja. How do you think Akamaru is able to do jutsu's with Kiba? it is because he has his own chakra.

A prime example that animals have chakra is when Karin could sense the dogs chakra when the konoha 11 (not all of the Konoha11) were looking for Sasuke and she tore up his shirt to confuse them.

It was explained somewhere toward the beginning, in one of their many explanations of chakra, I know for sure that it was either when Sakura explained chakra during their tree climbing training or some other time during the chunin exams when Kakashi was explaining something about chakra.

Dan was a jonin and a Hokage candidate, so I'm pretty sure that was very skilled in chakra control, especially since he was able to create a jutsu that allows him to let his spirit leave his body

Your move sir

[WishfulFairie]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Inochi finds big animal...
Inochi takes control of the animal and the animal swallows Inochi so Inochi hides in animal belly
or
hides in the forest

Prince...as much as I love you...I have to say..that idea is completely flawed. You realize that even if Inochi didn't make the animal chew him...there are digestive juices in the stomach....and there's no off switch for them...
How long do you think Inochi is going to be in there exactly?

[PrinceofPeace]

@Wish
-Inochi could hide in the mouth/thoat not the stomach (of the bigger animals-snake)

@hyuga
- you're right on summoning part

Akamrua is a NINJA animal... you can not prove that the animals in the forest of Death were NINJA animals

Yes Karin sensed Akamaru cuz he is a NINJA animal but their were plenty of other animals around the area that she did not sense

SHOW ME!!!!!!!!!! I want chaps and page please

I don't think he created the jutsu...it might have been a clan thing?!?!?! I am most likely wrong but I will check later. Dan did not show the ability and some jonin are not as good as others. Itachi easily was better than jonin when he was younger and as a chunnin! We have not seen the trap/chakra control from dan.

Sharing chakra with other animals...
- risky -that the other animals will not attack
-unlikely -animals in the forest are NINJA animals
-time wasting- finding and sharing chakra
-Draining - giving chakra evenly to others
- Foolish- do not move at the same speeds of a human