Team 8 vs. Team 10

[Cult of Personality]

IQ tests are garbage to begin with. Add on the fact that Shikamaru's test was disguised as a board game and administered by a potentially biased second party and what you've got is a score that can in no way be considered legitimate.

In both of his fights, Shino systematically disabled his opponent's primary method of attack without them even realizing it.

Meanwhile, Shikamaru's greatest claim to intelligence is realizing that Hidan is immortal. After watching his survive an otherwise fatal attack. Which a three year old could have figured out. His idea for beating Hidan? Blow him up and drop him down a hole. Clearly the work of a mastermind of the highest caliber.

[PrinceofPeace]

Plus stratgies are hard and unpredicitable and unfair to debate about! What plan would Shikamaru have?

Shino has billions of bugs chasing Shikamaru and Shiakamru is not that fast ESPECIALLY when using his shadows. You forget that Shikamaru needs the (Bird) hand sign to lift his shadows off of the ground. In that smalll amount of time Shino has time to quickly dash backwards to gain distance while sending an army of bugs toward Shikamaru. So Shikamaru is standing still while an army of bugs go towards Shikamaru!! Shino is not that slow and Shikamaru's shadows are not that fast

Also Everything Shino did in "fillers" are with bugs so its not like he did anything different so it is not being off-cannon if he uses the bugs as a dome or torando

How does Shikamaru react to at LEAST 3 bug clones??

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

IQ tests are garbage to begin with. Add on the fact that Shikamaru's test was disguised as a board game and administered by a potentially biased second party and what you've got is a score that can in no way be considered legitimate.

In both of his fights, Shino systematically disabled his opponent's primary method of attack without them even realizing it.

Meanwhile, Shikamaru's greatest claim to intelligence is realizing that Hidan is immortal. After watching his survive an otherwise fatal attack. Which a three year old could have figured out. His idea for beating Hidan? Blow him up and drop him down a hole. Clearly the work of a mastermind of the highest caliber.

I dont remember shikamarus tests to be revealed so we cant really say if those were garbage regardless of that he still was the first chuunin among his group while not being the strongest.

Yeah a mentally instable cs1 sasuke did the same to zaku in a much more effective way that really doesnt make shino even near shika.

And tobi basicly doesnt have to dodge anything or think for the matter because he lolphases not mention he was in 'goofy' mode atm.

Even if shikas feats are no better then a 3 year olds they are still far better then anything shino has shown.

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Plus stratgies are hard and unpredicitable and unfair to debate about! What plan would Shikamaru have?

Shino has billions of bugs chasing Shikamaru and Shiakamru is not that fast ESPECIALLY when using his shadows. You forget that Shikamaru needs the (Bird) hand sign to lift his shadows off of the ground. In that smalll amount of time Shino has time to quickly dash backwards to gain distance while sending an army of bugs toward Shikamaru. So Shikamaru is standing still while an army of bugs go towards Shikamaru!! Shino is not that slow and Shikamaru's shadows are not that fast

Also Everything Shino did in "fillers" are with bugs so its not like he did anything different so it is not being off-cannon if he uses the bugs as a dome or torando

How does Shikamaru react to at LEAST 3 bug clones??

What did i ever say about plans?

Shino gets shadow stitched and there is nothing he can do about it because he has no canon defensive feats.

I doubt shinos bugs number in the billions since that number has never been stated if u ask me it would be thousands max.

shino has no speed feat that makes him faster then fodder and shikas shadows have tagged opponents with far superior feats hence Shadows>Bugs. Even if shino or the time of the day would pose any threat shika still has flash bombs to enhance his shadow.

Filler = Filler = non-canon.

Hinata protective 64 palms are non-canon. So are any filler bug abilities.

When has shino ever made more then 1 bug clone?

Shino gets stomped feat wise.

And note that kiba during the entire has not been seen entering his wolf form not even during the invasion of konoha. I doubt a giant chouji would make him go that far when the destruction of his hometown /potential end of his world did not.

[Cult of Personality]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

I dont remember shikamarus tests to be revealed so we cant really say if those were garbage

It's an IQ test, which are inherently garbage. And it was administered by Asuma, who has an vested interest in his student being considered brilliant.

Regardless of the form the test took, there's no scenario in which it could possibly account for anything meaningful in any way whatsoever.

regardless of that he still was the first chuunin among his group while not being the strongest.

And Tsunade was the first of her team to become Hokage. And Kurenai is a jonin. Titles are given out like candy, they have no inherent value.

yeah a mentally instable cs1 sasuke did the same to zaku in a much more effective way that really doesnt make shino even near shika.

Sasuke did it with brute force. Shino did it with strategy. Totally meaningless comparison. So what you've actually done here is try to set up a strawman argument.

And tobi basicly doesnt have to dodge anything or think for the matter because he lolphases not mention he was in 'goofy' mode atm.

No idea what this has to do with anything, but whatevs.

Even if shikas feats are no better then a 3 year olds they are still far better then anything shino has shown.

Except for the part where that's not true in the slightest way, and you haven't provided a single shred of legitimate evidence to suggest that this is not the case.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

OK so now we're bringing Shikamaru's intelligence into question?

OK lets see, first off it doesn't matter if Asuma tested him or not his brilliance was recognized by everyone in the village. Notice how he's always put in charge regardless of rather Neji or Shino is there, notice how Shino was not made leader of his team at no time.

Shikamaru was made vice leader of a shinobi division and the only person who they think is smarter than him is his own father Shikaku.

So basically what I am hearing here is that every person in the shinobi world is being bias about Shikamaru's intelligence.

Sure IQ test for the most part, as far as we know are garbage in "our" world however, for all we know IQ test could be the bases of all intelligence in the Naruto world, I mean they made big freaking deal about it, I'd think that if they were still garbage in that world that no one would have cared.

Shikamaru's test were disguised as games because that was only way you could get him to take them, he wouldn't take a test if you gave him a pencil and paper.

As far as I know Shikamaru's plans never fail, unless someone else screws them up. For example the Sasuke retrieval arc, they only failed because Naruto decided he wanted to scratch Sasuke's head band in stead of punching him in gut or something.


However, like I said before best two out of three says Team 8 wins, Sure Choji can turn huge, but what good does it do him to make a bigger target for Kiba's Fang over Fang.

Hinata could easily take out Ino so in the end I still think team 8 wins, but its defiantly not because Shino can out do Shikamaru.

[PrinceofPeace]

@BMC
Yes we all know Shikamaru is smart!!! But how does that help him to win the battle! Shikamaru is smarter than Sai but he can not beat Sai! What plan does Shikamaru have to beat Shino??

Shiikamaru is a sitting duck! He usually stands still or moves slower when he is trying to get someone in his shadow possesion
- This makes it easier for the bugs to attack Shikamaru

Shikamaru needs hand signs to use his shadows/lift his shadows off of the ground
- Shino needs NO HAND SIGNS. By the time Shikamaru lifts his shadows off the grounds Shino will have dashed backwards and his bugs will be more than half way towards Shikamaru!

Nobody has given a GOOD/Believeable theory on how Shikamaru wins! Yes he is smart but how does that help? Shino is also smart!

I think we all agree that Hinata wins her battle and she can help defeat Shikamaru or Choji!

Choji is a HUGE target for Kiba. Choji going gigantic is his stroongest feat and strongest weakenss. How do you know Kiba/Akamaru will not use WFOF !!! I would especially with the size of that enemy! Also FOF can attack Choji's meattank from different sides (left and right) Choji barely has control of it and it is not as strong as FOF. Choji is wide open and shows his weak points when he uses meattank (left and right sides are weak points) Kiba/Akamaru can easily dodge and they have better control of FOF

you have given not plan/stragtey of how Shikamaru wins... you just say Shino gets stiched and that's that

Shikamaru has not shown any speed feats capable of avoiding bugs

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

Sasuke did it with brute force. Shino did it with strategy. Totally meaningless comparison. So what you've actually done here is try to set up a strawman argument.

No idea what this has to do with anything, but whatevs.

Except for the part where that's not true in the slightest way, and you haven't provided a single shred of legitimate evidence to suggest that this is not the case.

So you claim all of shikamarus feats are that of a 3 year olds yet you seemingly describe shino clogging a hole worthy of a nobel prize?
while its no better then this



I did not mention the chuunin thing for rank. It clearly shows that Shikamaru is regarded as smarter then shino.
Plus the same thing being easily achievable by brute force does not make shinos 'stategy' any better.

Its not even needed to talk about shikas feats because shino cant do anything about him or his clones getting shadow sewed/stitched to death.

If he can then post the way otherwise dont post.

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

@BMC
Yes we all know Shikamaru is smart!!! But how does that help him to win the battle! Shikamaru is smarter than Sai but he can not beat Sai! What plan does Shikamaru have to beat Shino??

Shiikamaru is a sitting duck! He usually stands still or moves slower when he is trying to get someone in his shadow possesion
- This makes it easier for the bugs to attack Shikamaru

Shikamaru needs hand signs to use his shadows/lift his shadows off of the ground
- Shino needs NO HAND SIGNS. By the time Shikamaru lifts his shadows off the grounds Shino will have dashed backwards and his bugs will be more than half way towards Shikamaru!

Nobody has given a GOOD/Believeable theory on how Shikamaru wins! Yes he is smart but how does that help? Shino is also smart!

I think we all agree that Hinata wins her battle and she can help defeat Shikamaru or Choji!

Choji is a HUGE target for Kiba. Choji going gigantic is his stroongest feat and strongest weakenss. How do you know Kiba/Akamaru will not use WFOF !!! I would especially with the size of that enemy! Also FOF can attack Choji's meattank from different sides (left and right) Choji barely has control of it and it is not as strong as FOF. Choji is wide open and shows his weak points when he uses meattank (left and right sides are weak points) Kiba/Akamaru can easily dodge and they have better control of FOF

you have given not plan/stragtey of how Shikamaru wins... you just say Shino gets stiched and that's that

Shikamaru has not shown any speed feats capable of avoiding bugs

Where does the sai example even come from did they ever fight?

Shika does not need a plan up until this post i still have not heard anything that prevents shino or his clones from getting shadow sewed.
Shadow sewing > Fights over. The reason i keep repeating it because you have not countered it. Shadow stitch has tagged opponents faster then anything shino fought. So how would his bugs be faster. Tell me what speed have these bugs actually displayed that is impressive? Name an example which shows they can even keep up with his shadow. Instead of just assuming they are as fast as shikas shadows.

And why would shikamaru only try to bind shino while he can attack with his shadow. He shadow stitches shino and shino has no speed or defensive feats that enable him to do anything about it. And i still have not heard anything what would prevent this from happening.

About wolf form. The Invasion and destruction of his hometown did not make him go Two headed wolf, The potential end of all free will has not make him go two headed wolf. A giant chouji is much more insignificant then these two event s so why would he go Wolf on Chouji when 2 far more demanding situations did not.

And how would 2 small fang over fangs even beat choujis spiked meat tank. Or Chouji stepping on them. He can easily becomes xx times there size (around the gedo mazos size) thats plus the fact that choujis meat tank is not that slow it tagged kinkaku in 4 tailed form.

And power wise chouji is superior kiba himself even said it in chapter 187.
Which is even further supported by chouji breaking out of jirobos dome while kiba could not.

[PrinceofPeace]

Well Shikamaru did fight Sai

a bud dome stops Shadow stitching or Shino runs away and his bugs attack Shikamaru before Shino get hit. Shino can also use his bugs to obscure Shikamaru's vision. If Shikamaru can not see Shino then his shadows are useless. You make it sound like shino's bugs are slow pokes. They are very sneaky and fast the zaku fight and Kankuro fight easily proves that. Before his enemies could realize it the bugs were already on them.

What shino has done off-cannon is not impossible for Shino to do now. It is not like he is using a new jutsu Shino is just using his bugs in a different style. It is like saying what rock lee does off-cannon can not be done in the manga. Shika's shadows are not that fast. He needed help most of the time to get people in his shadows. Shikam needs hand signs to use his stitiching which would take time unlike WHen Shino uses his bugs

Shadow stitiching set-backs
-required hand signs
-running away
- bug dome
-bugs obscure Shika's vision
- bugs eat the chakra of Shika and Shadows
-bug clones

The invasion was TOTALLY different! It was too dangerous to use WFOF! It is hard to control and it could hurt his friends. Also Kiba did not pee on his enemy. Besides that path was faster than Choji and he is smaller than CHoji thus being harder to hit with pee. If it was an open space and nobody else would get hurt and If that path of pain was slower and easier to hit Kiba would have used WFOF

Spiked meatball is EASILy dodged with kiba's speed. Kiba is one of the fastest of the Konoha 11!! FOF has been strong enough to go through rocks. Plus it is 2 attacks against one. Choji's attack is only powerful head on! If you attack from the side FOF would do more damage. WHen Choji goes gigantic akamaru easily pees on him then uses WFOF. Also Direct attacks like meatball would make it even EASIER for Akamaru to pee on him

soo? Speed wise Kiba is superior. What does being strong do if you can not hit your foe? The boulder was weakened so that is not saying much

[Cult of Personality]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

OK lets see, first off it doesn't matter if Asuma tested him or not

Except for the part where it very much does because it casts doubt on the legitimacy of the test, even more so than the fact that IQ test are garbage to begin with, and the fact that Shikamaru's not shown anything like a 200+ IQ.

his brilliance was recognized by everyone in the village.

It's well established that the people of Konoha are retards of the highest calibur. They make you look smart in comparison.

Notice how he's always put in charge regardless of rather Neji or Shino is there, notice how Shino was not made leader of his team at no time.

Notice how Tsunade was put in charge of the village when there were two or three far superior options avilable at the time.

Shikamaru was made vice leader of a shinobi division and the only person who they think is smarter than him is his own father Shikaku.

Irrelevant.

So basically what I am hearing here is that every person in the shinobi world is being bias about Shikamaru's intelligence.

No, just Kishimoto, but the end result is the same.

Sure IQ test for the most part, as far as we know are garbage in "our" world however, for all we know IQ test could be the bases of all intelligence in the Naruto world,

aAnd when you can conclusively prove this is the case you might have something.

I mean they made big freaking deal about it, I'd think that if they were still garbage in that world that no one would have cared.

People make big deals out of IQ test in the real world. The general public are idiots who couldn't tell their asss from a hole in the ground.

Shikamaru's test were disguised as games because that was only way you could get him to take them, he wouldn't take a test if you gave him a pencil and paper.

And?

As far as I know Shikamaru's plans never fail, unless someone else screws them up.

If he were a 200+ IQ genius he would account for the actions of others. The fact that they fail so easily just proves my point.

Originally Posted by BMC1994

So you claim all of shikamarus feats are that of a 3 year olds yet you seemingly describe shino clogging a hole worthy of a nobel prize?

Ah, the ever popular straw man argument. Since I can't imagine your post will improve after this fancy bit of blarney, I'll just tell you to bugger off now and save us both time.

Shino > Shikamaru, and that's all there is to it.

[PrinceofPeace]

It does not happen often but when Cult and I are on the same side that means the opposite side is totally wrong

@BMC

I think you are the ONLY one that thinks Choji>Kiba/Akmarau

Hyuga may believe Shikamaru would win but even IF he did it would be Hinata & Kiba/Akamaru vs Shikamaru

[Rasengan SageX5]

Ok, I have one thing to say here(and if its been said already, I'm sorry, I didn't really read every post throughly). Even if Shikamaru catches Shino, Shino can still control the bugs. And Shikamaru can't split enough shadows to catch all the insects. And for the Shadow Stitching argument, the insects are too small and fast to get hit with the shadows. Shikamaru could try and he may hit a few if they were in a big group, it wouldn't be enough to stop him getting drained of all his chakra.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

It does not happen often but when Cult and I are on the same side that means the opposite side is totally wrong

@BMC

I think you are the ONLY one that thinks Choji>Kiba/Akmarau

Hyuga may believe Shikamaru would win but even IF he did it would be Hinata & Kiba/Akamaru vs Shikamaru

I'm not saying that team 10 would win, but it wouldn't be because Shino could beat Shikamaru, like I said before, fire always solves the bug problem, therefore leading Shino into a paper bomb trap would easily solve this problem.

However in the end with Choji and Ino defeated, he would have to deal Hinata and Kiba who would more than likely over power him.

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

If he were a 200+ IQ genius he would account for the actions of others. The fact that they fail so easily just proves my point.

Actually it doesn't prove a thing, you can come up with perfect plan and have blue print for it that if every person does their part the way that they are supposed to it would never fail. However, there is no way possible for even the smartest person to be able to account for another persons actions, all you can to is trust and hope that they'll do the right thing, but if they don't then the plan is screwed.

It's not Shikamaru's fault that Naruto decided to choose pride over logic, being smart doesn't give you control over another persons actions, you can only try to predict them, given Naruto's relationship with Sasuke, you could predict that would do whatever it took to bring him back, which would mean that when the time came you would expect Naruto to do the logical thing and try to knock Sasuke out, not scratch his head band just to spite him.

Come one now I may think you're full of it, but even you should know that didn't make any sense.

[Cult of Personality]

Actually it doesn't prove a thing, you can come up with perfect plan and have blue print for it that if every person does their part the way that they are supposed to it would never fail.

If Shikamaru were the hyper-super-omni-infallible genius he's supposed to be, he would not have taken for granted that every little detail in his "plan" would occur in exactly the way he expected it to. In doing so, it was doomed from the start, thus proving the fact that he's not as smart as everyone says he is.

However, there is no way possible for even the smartest person to be able to account for another persons actions, all you can to is trust and hope that they'll do the right thing, but if they don't then the plan is screwed.

On the contrary, it's entirely possible to predict that Naruto would act more according to his emotions than logic, considering he's known Naruto most of his life. Hell, any amount of time spent with Naruto would clear that problem up.

So again, he completely ignored the dispositions of his teammates and likely courses of actions that they would take in favor of a rigid plan with no backups that had only the most distant of relationships with reasonable logic, relying on the completely baseless belief that the universe would bend to his will and make everything happen according to his plan. And again proving he's not as smart as everyone says.

It's not Shikamaru's fault that Naruto decided to choose pride over logic

He was stupid enough to assume Naruto would choose logic over pride despite this running counter to literally everything about him. So yeah, it kinda is his fault.

being smart doesn't give you control over another persons actions

But it does give you the ability to predict with reasonable accuracy what they will do. Shikamaru did not do this. He assumed for no reason that Naruto would do what he (Shikamaru) would do, completely failing to take anything about Naruto's personality into account.


In summary, you've provide nothing to remotely support Shikamaru's intelligence, instead taking the usual route of completely ignoring everything that proves you wrong and making up some random BS that you think helps you.

Now, and I mean this in the nicest possible way; bugger off.

[PrinceofPeace]

@Hyugga

Yeah I know you think Team 8 wins.... now we just have to show BMC

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

If Shikamaru were the hyper-super-omni-infallible genius he's supposed to be, he would not have taken for granted that every little detail in his "plan" would occur in exactly the way he expected it to. In doing so, it was doomed from the start, thus proving the fact that he's not as smart as everyone says he is.

On the contrary, it's entirely possible to predict that Naruto would act more according to his emotions than logic, considering he's known Naruto most of his life. Hell, any amount of time spent with Naruto would clear that problem up.

So again, he completely ignored the dispositions of his teammates and likely courses of actions that they would take in favor of a rigid plan with no backups that had only the most distant of relationships with reasonable logic, relying on the completely baseless belief that the universe would bend to his will and make everything happen according to his plan. And again proving he's not as smart as everyone says.

He was stupid enough to assume Naruto would choose logic over pride despite this running counter to literally everything about him. So yeah, it kinda is his fault.

But it does give you the ability to predict with reasonable accuracy what they will do. Shikamaru did not do this. He assumed for no reason that Naruto would do what he (Shikamaru) would do, completely failing to take anything about Naruto's personality into account.



In summary, you've provide nothing to remotely support Shikamaru's intelligence, instead taking the usual route of completely ignoring everything that proves you wrong and making up some random BS that you think helps you.

Now, and I mean this in the nicest possible way; bugger off.

OK so he should have expected Naruto to scratch Sasuke's head band instead of punching him to knock him out, even though A) Naruto wanted to bring Sasuke back home more than anyone and B) he promised Sakura that he would which everyone knows he'll do anything for and once again Naruto always give it everything he's got when its something he really wants, Scratching Sasuke's head band instead of punching him was not giving everything he had.

You would be able to predict with reasonable accuracy that even with Naruto's emotions, in order to bring Sasuke home that he would go for the knock out since he did in fact say that would break every bone in his body in order to bring him home. Now let me ask you, is it so unreasonable to believe that boy who is supposedly willing to break every bone in a mans body just to bring him home would go for the knock out over scratching his head band?

Spending time with Naruto would tell you that he would do anything for his friends, which once again would lead people to believe that if it came down to it that would go for the knock out if that's what it took to bring Sasuke home.

So in the end Naruto's personality and emotions were taken into account and you've failed to prove anything otherwise. Now I'm going to tell you this in the nicest way possible, get over yourself.

[BMC1994]

Keeping it short.

My point.
Shino gets shadow stitched because he has not shown any feats which could avoid/defend against it.Shino is a avarage chuunin at most and i am only saying that because of his rank shikamaru has defeated/captured things superior to your avarage chuunin. He could also gets shadow possesed through shuriken. Shikamaru has caught people faster and more dangerous then shino. That is why shino wont escape shadow stitch.

Why you 2 are not convincing me.
You cannot eat shadow.
Sai dodging shikas shadows does not mean shino can sai feat wise is way above shino.
You randomly claim things like shinos bugs being fatser then shikamarus shadows and do not support them. Shikamarus shadows have tagged things stronger faster and more dangerous then shino and his bugs.
He has never shown to use his bugs in any defensive way like bug walls. You dont hear me saying 'shikamaru makes an army out of shaows lulz' why not? because he has never shown it. same for shino.
He himself has never shown any kind of speed which could dodge anything.
Bugstornados/bugdomes and such are noncanon unless the op says otherwise we have to use canon feats.

@rasengan

I meant shino himself getting shadows stitched and neck snapped not his bugs.

@cult the only thing which you have been doing is debunking Shikamarus intellect which is not even my main point. Until you show a feat that would enable him to dodge/defend from getting shadow stitched he is not winning regardless of his intelligence.

If you two would actually show me some feats supporting that shino could do the things claimed here i would be convinced he can win. As for now there are no canon feats mentioned which would prevent him from getting shadowstitched. He has not shown the speed to dodge it and not the strenght to resist shadow bind.

Show something that shows he can or admit that shikamaru stomps shino.

[e710]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Keeping it short.

My point.
Shino gets shadow stitched because he has not shown any feats which could avoid/defend against it.Shino is a avarage chuunin at most and i am only saying that because of his rank shikamaru has defeated/captured things superior to your avarage chuunin. He could also gets shadow possesed through shuriken. Shikamaru has caught people faster and more dangerous then shino. That is why shino wont escape shadow stitch.

Why you 2 are not convincing me.
You cannot eat shadow.
Sai dodging shikas shadows does not mean shino can sai feat wise is way above shino.
You randomly claim things like shinos bugs being fatser then shikamarus shadows and do not support them. Shikamarus shadows have tagged things stronger faster and more dangerous then shino and his bugs.
He has never shown to use his bugs in any defensive way like bug walls. You dont hear me saying 'shikamaru makes an army out of shaows lulz' why not? because he has never shown it. same for shino.
He himself has never shown any kind of speed which could dodge anything.
Bugstornados/bugdomes and such are noncanon unless the op says otherwise we have to use canon feats.

@rasengan

I meant shino himself getting shadows stitched and neck snapped not his bugs.

@cult the only thing which you have been doing is debunking Shikamarus intellect which is not even my main point. Until you show a feat that would enable him to dodge/defend from getting shadow stitched he is not winning regardless of his intelligence.

If you two would actually show me some feats supporting that shino could do the things claimed here i would be convinced he can win. As for now there are no canon feats mentioned which would prevent him from getting shadowstitched. He has not shown the speed to dodge it and not the strenght to resist shadow bind.

Show something that shows he can or admit that shikamaru stomps shino.

Shikamaru's shadow attacks are made by his chakra, Shino's bugs eat chakra. Also Shikamaru has horrible stamina so he won't be able to create a ton of shadow stitching attacks.

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by e710

Shikamaru's shadow attacks are made by his chakra, Shino's bugs eat chakra. Also Shikamaru has horrible stamina so he won't be able to create a ton of shadow stitching attacks.

Lazy =/= horrible stamina. And may i point out of shino also is not known for his bestial stamina.

And on top off that shino has drained his opponents chakra but never from any of their attacks.

[e710]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Lazy =/= horrible stamina. And may i point out of shino also is not known for his bestial stamina.

And on top off that shino has drained his opponents chakra but never from any of their attacks.

Vs Temari he had to quit.
Vs tayuya he couldn't strangle her
Vs Hidan, Hidan just got of a battle from Kakashi and was able to break free of the Shika's shadow with force.
So Shikamaru doesn't have the strongest shadows and takes up a good amount of chakra when he tries his shadow stiching move.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Keeping it short.

My point.
Shino gets shadow stitched because he has not shown any feats which could avoid/defend against it.Shino is a avarage chuunin at most and i am only saying that because of his rank shikamaru has defeated/captured things superior to your avarage chuunin (you and I BOTH know that Shikamaru only did that with prep and with assistance from higher level ninja). He could also gets shadow possesed through shuriken. Shikamaru has caught people faster and more dangerous then shino (yeah but with help/prep). That is why shino wont escape shadow stitch.
Shino is beats Shadow stitiching by
-running away, while bugs attack shadows
-bug clones
-bugs eat the chakra out of shadows
-Makeshift bug wall/dome
You have not countered these points very well to stump or convince someone! Shino's bugs can also obscure his vision! If Shikamaru can not see Shino then the shadows are useless. Also You keep ignoring the fact that SHINO DOES NOT NEED HAND SIGNS. Shikamaru DOES NEED hand signs and that would take little BUT CRUCIAL time! Every second in battle counts. By the time the shadows are off the ground the bugs will be more than half way to shikamaru and shino would have gained distance from Shikamaru
^ Please answer my points

Why you 2 are not convincing me.
You cannot eat shadow. -Shadows have chakra so.... bugs can eat the chakra out of shadows making it useless

Sai dodging shikas shadows does not mean shino can sai feat wise is way above shino.

proof of that? So sai is faster than Shino and his bugs?? Shino does not have to be a speedy fellow he just needs distance while the bugs attack. Shikamaru is also slow ESPECIALLY when he is using his shadows!

You randomly claim things like shinos bugs being fatser then shikamarus shadows and do not support them.( look at the Shino vs Kankuro or Shino vs Zaku fight! The bugs are fast and sneaky!!! They did not even realize what was happening before it was too late. The Shadows are eaiser to see and not as sneaky)

Shikamarus shadows have tagged things stronger faster and more dangerous then shino and his bugs.(Yes but he had prep/help/time to make a plan/ could hide form his foe/ and foe did not know of his ability)
He has never shown to use his bugs in any defensive way like bug walls. You dont hear me saying 'shikamaru makes an army out of shaows lulz'
What the heck is an army of shadows??? Now you are taking it way out of hand. I do not even know what you are talking about. Shino using his bugs is not impossible and would be helpful. Shino uses his bugs offensivly and the best offense is a great defense

why not? because he has never shown it. same for shino.
He himself has never shown any kind of speed which could dodge anything.
ohhhhh now I see why you are mistaken!! This is a big misunderstanding!! Shino does not have to dodge the shadows!! He just has to gain distance by running backwards while he sends his bugs to chase after Shikamaru! SHikamaru would be standing still or moving at a slower rate while his shadow is active. It takes time for Shino to lift the shadows offf the ground and Shino can obscure Shikamaru's vision or make a defense with the help of the bugs

Bugstornados/bugdomes and such are noncanon unless the op says otherwise we have to use canon feats.
It is like rock lee doing a different style of taijutsu off-cannon. Just because Shino used his bugs in a different style does not mean that it is impossible that he can not use it in this battle. His bugs can be formed in any way as a defense or offense.

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Even IF Shikamaru won he would have to go up against Kiba and Hinata!
Kiba>>>CHoji

WFOF for the win! When Choji goes gigantic WFOF is the logical choice. Choji is slow and a huge target so peeing on him would not be an issue. Plus Choji's attacks are easier to dodge.