Korra vs Izumi Curtis

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by Noctis Arashi

I do believe that Amon didn't dodge, but aim dodged, like Zuko did in ATLA against Azula.

It's completely different than actually dodging, and requires far less skill.

Spoiler:

He is clearly in front of the bolt, and had to actually dodge it.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Bradley

Bender lightning is arguably as fast as natural lightning. A character from Avatar (Iroh) reacted to natural lightning the same as characters do for bender lightning.

due to how inferior their average physical displays are that feat is SM vs FL and you can consider that an official mod ruling on the matter

Originally Posted by Bradley

And if Amon was so beyond Korra, how did she hit him with an airbending technique?

by catching him off guard of course, misrepresentation evidence #1

Originally Posted by ILIKEPIE

these FMA vs Avator threads really are getting annoying most of the threads are everyone arguing with Bradley who is usally the only person who thinks the Avatar character would beat the FMA character.

Bradley has been topic banned for his misconduct he has garnered protection through his dishonesty

you are more than welcome to make a complaint thread in the BG HQ asking why he has not been dealt with of course

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

due to how inferior their average physical displays are that feat is SM vs FL and you can consider that an official mod ruling on the matter

Example of such "average physical displays"? Reacting to bender lightning can be considered not uncommon in Avatar, as 5 characters do in at least 9 specific feats. SM vs FL does not apply.

by catching him off guard of course, misrepresentation evidence #1

I'm not sure how standing in front of him while he's bloodbending her, after she already revealed her ability to airbend, counts as "catching him off guard".

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Bradley

Example of such "average physical displays"? Reacting to bender lightning can be considered not uncommon in Avatar, as 5 characters do in at least 9 specific feats. SM vs FL does not apply.

they reacted to bended lightening not actual lightening..ergo SM vs FL

Originally Posted by Bradley

I'm not sure how standing in front of him while he's bloodbending her, after she already revealed her ability to airbend, counts as "catching him off guard".

ooohh right he suffered from massive CIS!

nope still not valid

[Cult of Personality]

How interesting that Ed can turn dirt into metal. :hmm

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

they reacted to bended lightening not actual lightening..ergo SM vs FL

The point is that Iroh's feat allows bender lightning to be equated with real lightning, and the bender lighting is common enough SM vs FL does not apply to it. The feat is canon and you haven't posted any evidence that contradicts it.

ooohh right he suffered from massive CIS!

nope still not valid

What, because you don't want it to be? What about Amon's character had anything to do with it?

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I wonder what's stopping Izumi from casually converting all the water Korra hurls at her into steam or something then creating a few hundred spikes?

or hell just blitzing her and caving in her chest cavity with a single punch given she launched a thousand pound giant dozens of feet into the air and smashed him into concrete

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Bradley

The point is that Iroh's feat allows bender lightning to be equated with real lightning, and the bender lighting is common enough SM vs FL does not apply to it. The feat is canon and you haven't posted any evidence that contradicts it.]

Chi based quasi lightening is not lightening..ergo SM vs FL

this is an official rulling

Originally Posted by Bradley

What, because you don't want it to be? What about Amon's character had anything to do with it?

Because arrogant douche bags make dumb mistakes like that and Amon was very much that

also Curtis can literally murder her with a punch or two..and is fast enough to do it..or she can just convert the water around her into helium or something

[Cult of Personality]

Nothing, and Bradley knows it, it's just too focused on wanking Korra to accept any actual logic.

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

How interesting that Ed can turn dirt into metal. :hmm

Point conceded. Though it's one thing to turn a small amount of earth into metal and another to turn the whole stadium into metal.

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

I wonder what's stopping Izumi from casually converting all the water Korra hurls at her into steam or something then creating a few hundred spikes?

Good question. Can you show the largest amount of material that Izumi has converted before?

or hell just blitzing her and caving in her chest cavity with a single punch given she launched a thousand pound giant dozens of feet into the air and smashed him into concrete

Izumi didn't blitz Sloth. She reacted to him, but she didn't blitz him. Though the evidence provided was from the anime so I'm not even sure if that applies.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

considering I don't recall that scene being filler I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish

it would be very easy for Izumi to run circles around Korra given how she reacted to sloth just fine..she's packing Classic Wilson Fisk level strength at least meaning Korra wont be surviving a single well placed hit ans if she does it would be with massive internal damage

and from there all Izumi has to do is turn the water into flammable fluids and set her on fire

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

considering I don't recall that scene being filler I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish

It doesn't matter if it was filler. Your own rules state that we use the primary source (in this case, the manga) for debates. Is it alright to post non-filler scenes from the Naruto anime as evidence in debates?

it would be very easy for Izumi to run circles around Korra given how she reacted to sloth just fine..she's packing Classic Wilson Fisk level strength at least meaning Korra wont be surviving a single well placed hit ans if she does it would be with massive internal damage

Reaction speed is not running speed, so no one's running circles around anyone. And again, Korra fought Amon who reacted to bender lightning. She could raise any variety of elemental shield to protect herself. Worst comes to worst she could resort to the Avatar State, allowing her to fly up out of Izumi's melee reach.

and from there all Izumi has to do is turn the water into flammable fluids and set her on fire

I'm not even sure Izumi could do that, at least in a practical manner. Mustang had to study for years in order to learn how to apply his alchemy that way. Izumi would first need to make something that produces a spark, as well.

[Cult of Personality]

Izumi pulls a Scar, deconstructing Korra's limbs/brains.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Bradley

It doesn't matter if it was filler. Your own rules state that we use the primary source (in this case, the manga) for debates. Is it alright to post non-filler scenes from the Naruto anime as evidence in debates?

considering you know damn well the copy right rules prevent manga scans and anime clips from Naruto

evidence of dishonesty number 2: deliberately asking for material he knows cannot be provided while attempting to pass it off as debunking

Originally Posted by Bradley

Reaction speed is not running speed, so no one's running circles around anyone. And again, Korra fought Amon who reacted to bender lightning. She could raise any variety of elemental shield to protect herself. Worst comes to worst she could resort to the Avatar State, allowing her to fly up out of Izumi's melee reach.

all your doing is talking out of your rear end fact is she reacted to people superior to Roy Mustang a character conclusively proven to be superior to her...

you are also not allowed to use her avatar state feats until she does it on her own not under Aangs influence in a consistent manner

Izumi is watching a snail try and out fight her..

Originally Posted by Bradley

I'm not even sure Izumi could do that, at least in a practical manner. Mustang had to study for years in order to learn how to apply his alchemy that way. Izumi would first need to make something that produces a spark, as well.

All she has to do is convert water..into helium or some other chemical and let sparks or a fire bending attack from Korra do the rest

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

Izumi pulls a Scar, deconstructing Korra's limbs/brains.

Scar's tattoo used Xingese alkahestry principles; there's no reason to think that Izumi could figure out how to replicate that in the midst of battle (I'm not even sure if she ever saw Scar fight). Either way, it still requires direct contact.

[Cult of Personality]

Anyone can use alchemy on fire. Roy is so effective because Hawkeye's father created a very specific technique and alchemical array.

Izumi doesn't have to kill Korra the way Roy could, even if she uses fire.

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

considering you know damn well the copy right rules prevent manga scans and anime clips from Naruto

evidence of dishonesty number 2: deliberately asking for material he knows cannot be provided while attempting to pass it off as debunking

If it's impossible to show the manga scans, why even include it in the rules? Anyways, it shouldn't be too hard to look up the chapter and page through online sources and say which chapter it is so the rest of us can look it up ourselves. And "pass it off as debunking"? All I did was say "I'm not sure it's applicable, since it's from the anime". I haven't made any claims to debunk anything, stop putting words in my mouth.

all your doing is talking out of your rear end fact is she reacted to people superior to Roy Mustang a character conclusively proven to be superior to her...

Can I get some quantification of Sloth's speed, at least? Feats or statements?

you are also not allowed to use her avatar state feats until she does it on her own not under Aangs influence in a consistent manner

She is shown controlling the Avatar State at the end of Book 1. Also, in the animatic preview for book 2 we are shown two instances of Korra activating the Avatar State at will, once in a race with the airbender kids and again when fighting a spirit.

All she has to do is convert water..into helium or some other chemical and let sparks or a fire bending attack from Korra do the rest

Brush up on your chemistry IWD, helium is an inert substance. You're probably thinking of hydrogen. And that may be all it seems to involve, but it could be more complicated. The discussion between Berthold Hawkeye and Roy Mustang in chapter 58 indicates that even if you know the basic principles of alchemy you still need to learn flame alchemy specifically.

[WishfulFairie]

Originally Posted by Bradley

She is shown controlling the Avatar State at the end of Book 1. Also, in the animatic preview for book 2 we are shown two instances of Korra activating the Avatar State at will, once in a race with the airbender kids and again when fighting a spirit.
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since you finally shut up about amon
She didn't really control it......it just sorta happened. Plus during the end, she only activated it because of Aang. She really didn't do anything....
Plus a preview doesn't mean it happened yet.They could just decide to change it

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by WishfulFairie

since you finally shut up about amon
She didn't really control it......it just sorta happened. Plus during the end, she only activated it because of Aang. She really didn't do anything....
Plus a preview doesn't mean it happened yet.They could just decide to change it

It happened, and she controlled it. Either she was controlling it or she wasn't, and it was pretty clear that she was not out of control. She calmly ended it after her little demonstration.

And yes, the preview means it did happen. They really can't change it at this point; the process of writing and recording the dialogue is finished and they're in production on the animation. Unless we hear about delays thanks to rewriting and rerecording the whole book, that's how it's going to be.

[WishfulFairie]

Just because it ends calmly doesn't mean she controlled it. It could just mean she finally reached it. (There's always a calm after the storm)