Spoiler Minato vs someone is very likely.

[Narutorious]

Obito didn't have 5 years, he had 1 year, Kakashi was 13 years old in the 3rd War, he was 26 in the start of Naruto, which was 12 years after the Kurama attack, which would make Kakashi 14 years old, Obito had a year only.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by Satsuki

^Alright, and as I've stated, Naruto has had one year to master Sage Mode, master Rasenshuriken, and battle Kurama Solo, and beat him.

Doesn't make much sense that someone wouldn't stand a chance against their own Sensei aftr 2 years.

4 years since the start of the series, Kakashi is now about 31 years old. Obito was 13 when he was crushed. 27-13=14.

Obito had 1 year.

I agree that people can develop quickly (i.e. Naruto), but Naruto's development was mostly sped along by Kage Bunshin short cut techniques. Naruto had already learned the fundamentals behind his style of fighting after his experiences in Part 1 and his training with Jiraiya for 2 and a half years. Maybe time passes slower in Obito's dimension, but before Kishi writes that, we can't assume it.

[Rikudo Sage]

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

^Alright, and as I've stated, Naruto has had one year to master Sage Mode, master Rasenshuriken, and battle Kurama Solo, and beat him.

Doesn't make much sense that someone wouldn't stand a chance against their own Sensei aftr 2 years.

4 years since the start of the series, Kakashi is now about 31 years old. Obito was 13 when he was crushed. 27-13=14.

Obito had 1 year.

Old Madara said "In between this and the other world" This suggest that he and Obito are in different space or dimension..

Originally Posted by Rikudo Sage

The gap between Gaiden and attack at Konoha is not more than 1 year. We know that Kakashi is 13 yrs old during Gaiden and Kakashi is 13-14 yrs older than Naruto. This would mean that Kakashi is 13-14 yrs old when Obito attacked the village because this is when Naruto was born.

This is why I made a hypothesis that the dimension Madara spoke of is a special dimension not paralleled with the time in the real world because of the fact that Obito only had 1 yr to heal his wounds and master his sharringan when he attacked the village

Its not possible for Obito to have his skill level jump from 1 to 5 in just 1 year unless he trained somewhere where the time is slow.

[Topik]

Originally Posted by Rikudo Sage

Old Madara said "In between this and the other world" This suggest that he and Obito are in different space or dimension..

Or suggest that Obito is half dead, half alive.

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by Satsuki

Just want to point out that from Naruto Chapter 1 it has been 4 years in total in the NarutoVerse, excluding the flashbacks.

Naruto has gone from someone who could barely make a NORMAL clone, NOT a shadow clone to someone who could beat Kurama solo and avoid the Raikage at top speed.

Obito had 5 years. Now, that seems that since Obito was trained by Madara, and they both had the same Kekkai Genkai, they could easily train well enough together and I think it's safe to say that Obito is on Izuna's level of power in his prime, right now.

Naruto had 4 years. Obito had 5 years.

Sure, sure, he had to recuperate from the damage from the rocks, but hey, Naruto only learned Oodama Rasengan, and the Rasengan, and multiple shadow clones over the course of 3 years. He then went on to Master his RasenShuriken, Sage Mode, and take on Kurama within his remaining timeframe to the present day.

So let's do the math, Naruto had 1 year to master Sage Mode, his RasenShuriken, and multiple variations of the Rasengan, along with the Bijuu Bomb and Bijuu Mode.

Obito had 5 years minus let's say 1 year of recuperation. So Obito had 4 years to master his own eye techniques, along with learn whatever Madara could throw at him with his Sharingan.

Obito vs Minato is very likely. Much more likely than MADARA LOSING TO THE FOURTH, without using the Susano'o.

It couldn't have been Madara vs Minato.

Why didn't he use Susano'o? Why didn't he use clones? It doesn't make much sense that he ONLY used Obito's abilities. Minato didn't tell anyone about his abilities, EVER. Tobi/Obito was a complete mystery.

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Though it seems to be obito alright... your calculation is wrong...Obito didn't have 5 years...where'd u make up something like that.?

Obito & kakashi were the same age when obito was supposedly dead at 13 yrs

In part 1, naruto was 12, and kakashi was 26-27 yrs, so 12 years ago when naruto was born, kakashi would be 14-15, and that's when the ninetails attack happened. This leaves obito with 1-2 yrs to get that strong to fight Minato...

regardless of how we look at it, it was unrealistic on kishi's side...

[slyfoxx]

I say it on every tread like this tsukiyomi. With tsukiyomi the caster controlls space and time (Itachi broke kakashi in a moment but to kakashis it was like 3 days or months) but he could easy mind train obito while hes healing fact thats the only i could see him training im so fast.

[Rikudo Sage]

Originally Posted by slyfoxx

I say it on every tread like this tsukiyomi. With tsukiyomi the caster controlls space and time (Itachi broke kakashi in a moment but to kakashis it was like 3 days or months) but he could easy mind train obito while hes healing fact thats the only i could see him training im so fast.

Obito is already adult when he attacked the village. If its tsukuyomi training, Obito should have stayed young.

Not saying your wrong but ill still go with hyperbolic time chamber theory. Very DBZ..

[Sasuke3177]

Honestly I'm tired of this argument, let me nerf everything people say against it being Obito.

1. His Age/Appearance, Kakashi was 14, maybe 15 when the attack happened, and we saw him in his ANBU outfit, now he wasn't quite an adult, but keep in mind some people mature faster than others in appearance, he could've passed for an adult, I'm 14 and I can pass for 17-18 because of my height, I'm 5"9, taller than plenty of adults, so saying Tobi was Minato's height proves nothing.

2. His voice, anybody can make their voice lower, infact Obito seems to have kept his normal high-pitched voice for his goofy "Tobi" character, the one he uses around Deidara etc. Let's not forget the Darth Vader effect that could kick in

3. He used Obito's Kamui powers, Obito still has his eye, I doubt Madara would go through the trouble to take Obito's eye, use it for one battle, then give it back. Madara was also an old geezer.


Let's not forget that Tobi "wore" the Spiral Zetsu, I do not think he ever did after that, I think he created his mask in memory of the Spiral Zetsu (something may have happened to him). He didn't wear Zetsu ever after that.


At the end of the day, this is fiction, things aren't necessarily required to make sense, it really just seems like you guys are trying to find something to complain about... -_-