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Old 09-12-2012, 06:01 PM   #81
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No.
FMA did not follow the manga.
FMAB did.
So none are cannon.
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1.) Oh you're talking about the second time she entered the Avatar state, I see. This entire time I thought you were referring to the first time where she had to use spirit world hax to bring people's bending back which was kind of weak. TBH if you want to count that as her willingly entering the Avatar state that's fine but for now I will chock that up to fan service and PIS. She has had no formal training for entering the Avatar state, and this was probably Dimartino and Konietzko trying to give the fans one more look at the Avatar state before the show went on hiatus, and possibly because the series was so short we didn't get to see it in action that often. Similar to the book 2 preview we don't know the circumstances behind her entering the Avatar state at that moment, she could've been out there for hours meditating. Entering the Avatar state has never been instant. Even Aang who had a natural proclivity to the spirit world and received training had to create an Earth dome to meditate in so he could prep himself in his fight against Ozai, with no context you can't say Korra can do that mid battle.
You're not remembering things in the correct order. What I'm referencing is only time Korra has used the Avatar State. You're referring to the moment where she used energybending (different than the Avatar State, though it apparently causes the same glowing eyes). As for Aang, once he learned to control the Avatar State he was able to do it in the same time it takes to draw a breath. This was shown when he put out the fires after his fight with Ozai; he is also shown quickly activating the Avatar State in the graphic novel "The Promise". This is the same way it was shown to work for Avatar Roku, and it probably works the same way for Korra. Can Mustang nail her with an explosion before she activates the Avatar State? Probably. However, as I've said, Korra can quickly bring up an earth wall to protect her for the moment she needs to activate the Avatar State.

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2.) It's not just about getting captured. It's about getting hit. She's been hit by stray weapons or basic attacks numerous times. This is just proof that her reaction feats aren't as stellar as you're making them out to be. A giant robot caught her in a grapple, she didn't just Earthbend a wall in front of her because she wasn't fast enough. It wasn't about her being outnumbered either.
In that specific instance (the confrontation with the Equalist mechs in the episode "The Aftermath") Korra was caught because she was in the middle of another bending move against one mech and another mech caught her from the side. Another advantage that Roy doesn't have.

I'm not arguing that Korra's speed is stellar. Rather, the argument from everyone else is that Mustang's attack speed is too much for her to handle. I've asked for evidence for that point, and no one has yet to provide it.

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3.) All you've been doing is asking for the time delay in Roy's attack. Yet it's a question that can't be answered except for the PIS scenario where Ed was dodging his snaps in the 2003 anime no one's shown the ability to react to it. The best examples I can think of are Envy not being able to outrun it or attack before it was used and a feat I'm sure you'll use to your benefit, where Al got up a giant stone wall to shield himself from the explosion a second before Roy lit Lust on fire. However, in the Al scenario Roy was using some makeshift tools for his flame alchemy (no gloves and a lighter for a spark), he announced his arrival, and the explosion wasn't actually targeting Al. But to best answer your question in FMA Brotherhood literally a second after Roy clicked the lighter / snapped his fingers, the explosion occurred. In his fight with Lust the explosions were happening in the same animation as him clicking the lighter. That is much too fast for Korra to react to at close range.
If the question can't be answered, then there is no basis to say that the attacks are too fast for Korra to react to. In Envy's case there are factors in play other than speed: he didn't have the defense options that Korra had, and if he tried running Mustang could just knock him back down with another explosion. The same basically goes for Lust. Korra doesn't need to avoid the explosion; she just needs to raise a defense against it.

Also, the anime (Brotherhood, at least) is not a canon source.

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4.) Roy has never demonstrated any sort of agility? He's a solider that survived in a war zone. He wasn't casually strolling through the battlefield. He was moving around in a life or death situation.
That's a non sequitur. What does being in a war zone have to do with his agility, specifically? Is there a scene from the war where he's being agile and physically quick?

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No.
FMA did not follow the manga.
FMAB did.
So none are cannon.
Sort of. The 2003 anime is canon unto itself. It's essentially an alternate FMA universe. If we're talking about Mustang from the 2003 anime, then of course the 2003 anime could be used to provide feats for him.

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Dude Bradley, take your fingers and snap them. Now take your arms and move them around imitating a bending move. Which one is faster? Debate over. Go away and stop wanking.
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Dude Bradley, take your fingers and snap them. Now take your arms and move them around imitating a bending move. Which one is faster? Debate over. Go away and stop wanking.
That's not the only part involved in Mustang's attacks. The spark still has to go from his glove to the target.
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But when mustang blew up envy's eyes,it was instant.
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But when mustang blew up envy's eyes,it was instant.
Evidence? And even if it was, that's point-blank range. The fight starts at the BG default 50 meters.
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Evidence?
Boom:


and this one has distance and speed:


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Boom: *snip*

and this one has distance and speed: *snip*

now go away please.
Anime is not canon. And even then this doesn't definitively show that the attacks are too fast for Korra to react to. The first video shows a clear fireball at 0:29 which takes several seconds to get to Envy that Korra could react to like any firebending blast. And neither fight happens at a range close to 50 meters.
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Anime is not canon. And even then this doesn't definitively show that the attacks are too fast for Korra to react to. The first video shows a clear fireball at 0:29 which takes several seconds to get to Envy that Korra could react to like any firebending blast. And neither fight happens at a range close to 50 meters.
If anime is not canon then Korra loses because she doesn't exist.

First video 0:11-0:12 Envy's eyes destroyed.

Yeah it is pretty obvious you are a wanking troll.
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Well Korras tv show is canon since its the original material
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If anime is not canon then Korra loses because she doesn't exist.

First video 0:11-0:12 Envy's eyes destroyed.

Yeah it is pretty obvious you are a wanking troll.
Legend of Korra isn't even an anime, it's an American cartoon. The anime is not canon for Fullmetal Alchemist because it's not the primary source for FMA, the manga is. Refer to the rules thread:

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And yeah, Roy burns Envy at 0:11, at point blank range...this does nothing to prove he can hit Korra that fast at 50 meters.
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From what I've seen, I doubt Korra would lose off the bat, but eventually shed need to get close and shed get raped.

Without the avatar state she's screwed. But apparently she casually uses the avatar state now, According to rumors from the creators. But I guess that's subject to change
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Even with Avatar State she'd die more often than not. AS doesn't make her faster or more durable. It just gives her access to the memories and skills of the previous Avatars.

And in any event, she dies long before she decides to use it.
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Even with Avatar State she'd die more often than not. AS doesn't make her faster or more durable. It just gives her access to the memories and skills of the previous Avatars.

And in any event, she dies long before she decides to use it.
In the Avatar State she could use the same air shield that Aang does, practically the perfect defense against Mustang's alchemy and explosions. And there would be no waiting to decide to use it; BG rules state that combatants will fight to the best of their ability. For Korra, that's activating the Avatar State as quickly as possible.
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Again Roy is a trained killer with the power to create bombs. He survived a true warzone that was basically hell on earth. Not only that he killed a monster who reactions and power was above a humans. Not only that how does Korea even attack. Before she finishes a full bending movement he blows her up.
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Again Roy is a trained killer with the power to create bombs. He survived a true warzone that was basically hell on earth. Not only that he killed a monster who reactions and power was above a humans. Not only that how does Korea even attack. Before she finishes a full bending movement he blows her up.
What difference does it make if Roy is a trained killer with warzone experience? This isn't a warzone. Korra is a trained martial artist. She's been trained since a very young age to fight. There, just stating random facts about a character doesn't mean it's relevant to the debate.

And you just essentially claimed that Envy (or Lust, could be Lust) has reactions above humans. I'm going to have to ask for feats to prove it.

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Well all the humonculus do.
Bradly was real fast and greed was keeping up with him.
Even mustang was keeping up with him somewhat.
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What difference does it make if Roy is a trained killer with warzone experience? This isn't a warzone. Korra is a trained martial artist. She's been trained since a very young age to fight. There, just stating random facts about a character doesn't mean it's relevant to the debate.

And you just essentially claimed that Envy (or Lust, could be Lust) has reactions above humans. I'm going to have to ask for feats to prove it.
Provide proof of anyone in avatar capable of bending explosions. Provide proof that anyone avatar can react to an explosion at point blank range. Provide proof Korra could perform a bending movement before Roy snaps his fingers. Anything less that means you are just talking out the ass. Also n combustion man doesn't count his explosions doesnt detonate at a point blank range.

Lol at asking above human stats for known monsters of the series. Lol at Avatar.
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Well all the humonculus do.
Bradly was real fast and greed was keeping up with him.
Even mustang was keeping up with him somewhat.
Mustang never fought Wrath or Greed. Saying Envy or Lust have superhuman reflexes is a fallacy of association. Just because one person in a group of individuals has an ability doesn't mean the rest do.

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Provide proof of anyone in avatar capable of bending explosions. Provide proof that anyone avatar can react to an explosion at point blank range. Provide proof Korra could perform a bending movement before Roy snaps his fingers. Anything less that means you are just talking out the ass. Also n combustion man doesn't count his explosions doesnt detonate at a point blank range.

Lol at asking above human stats for known monsters of the series. Lol at Avatar.
Anyone in Avatar? Zuko used firebending to stop an explosion from Combustion Man. Aang reacted to an explosion from Combustion Man at point blank range (it did detonate at point blank range, and Aang reacted). The last one is a burden of proof fallacy. Your claim is that Roy's attack with hit Korra before she reacts, therefore the burden of proof is on you to prove it.
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