Korra vs Roy Mustang

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

If you don't want to be insulted don't deserve to be insulted.

Could we get back to debating now, or are you going to continue flaming?

[Cult of Personality]

When you want to begin supporting your claims I'd be glad to continue.

Until that happens, I see no reason to bother.

[Muffintop]

Back on topic or this thread's being closed.

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by Muffintop

Back on topic or this thread's being closed.

Gladly, I'm trying to.

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

When you want to begin supporting your claims I'd be glad to continue.

Until that happens, I see no reason to bother.

I'm waiting for support for the claim that Roy's attacks are too fast for Korra to defend against. I mean, you need to at least establish what Mustang's speed is before I can even try to argue against it.

[Cult of Personality]

One last time. You say Korra's able to deflect Roy's attacks, you are required to prove. Not merely on a technical level, but in every respect, including reaction time.

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

One last time. You say Korra's able to deflect Roy's attacks, you are required to prove. Not merely on a technical level, but in every respect, including reaction time.

How do you expect me me to argue against something that hasn't even been established? Try to understand me here. The discussion is kind of going like this:

Me: I think X stands a good chance at beating Y.

You: Can X react to Y's attacks?

Me: Good question. How fast are Y's attacks?

You: Prove X can react to Y's attacks!

Me: ...Can you tell me how fast Y's attacks are for comparison?

You: Quiet, troll! Prove X can react to Y's attacks!

Me: Well, I sort of need that detail...

You: You can't prove X can react to Y's attacks!

Do you see where I'm coming from, here? I need to know Mustang's attack speed in order to make an argument that Korra can react to it. Would you be so kind as to provide it?

[Cult of Personality]

If you've watched/read FMA then you should already know and you wouldn't be wasting everyone's time. If you've done neither than you have no business arguing against Roy to begin with.

One way or the other, I'm still right, you're still wrong, Roy still wins, and there's nothing more to be said.

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

If you've watched/read FMA then you should already know and you wouldn't be wasting everyone's time. If you've done neither than you have no business arguing against Roy to begin with.

One way or the other, I'm still right, you're still wrong, Roy still wins, and there's nothing more to be said.

I have watched FMA (both series) and read some of the manga. Funnily enough, I don't remember Roy's attacks every being stated to be impossible to react to or being supersonic or what have you. There's nothing special about the speed of Roy's attacks (the time it takes for the spark to reach the pocket of H and O) so no special evidence is needed to prove that Korra can react to it. Unless, of course, you can provide evidence otherwise regarding Mustang's attack speed.

[Cult of Personality]

Oh good, we've moved on to the portion of the evening where you make straw man arguments in lieu of just refusing to accept the burden of proof.

Naturally, I never claimed Roy's attacks were impossible to react to, nor that they were supersonic.

You have still not provided any evidence to support your claims.

This is just going in circles. Can a mod lock this please?

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

Oh good, we've moved on to the portion of the evening where you make straw man arguments in lieu of just refusing to accept the burden of proof.

Naturally, I never claimed Roy's attacks were impossible to react to, nor that they were supersonic.

Maybe you didn't use those exact words (and I didn't say you did), but you did make this claim:

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

More importantly, his explosions are fast enough so as to be near instantaneous.

which you have refused to support.

You have still not provided any evidence to support your claims.

You still haven't provided any evidence to support your claim that Roy's attacks are too fast for Korra to react to. And before you say you're not making the claim that Roy's attacks are too fast for Korra to react to, if that's the case then there is nothing particularly special about Roy's attack speed so Korra does not require any particularly special speed feats to react to it. To qualify as able to defend against Roy's attacks she simply needs to be able to use a defense which could stop it (firebending or earthbending would suffice).

This is just going in circles. Can a mod lock this please?

Feel free to step out of the debate if you're getting frustrated.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by Bradley

Could we get back to debating now, or are you going to continue flaming?

Hey Bradley, I know you're new here but don't worry about it. Cult is a user that goes around violating the rules while all the mods ignore him or only give him a slap on the wrist. When he believes he's right he's extremely obnoxious about it and even if he flames and baits you into getting upset all that will happen is a mod will come in and just say something like "settle down guys" or worst case scenario you end up in trouble as a new member. It's best to not debate him when he acts like this, but to be honest he hasn't been nearly as bad as I've seen in other threads. He's actually sticking to his arguments for the most part.

Anyways, I actually agree with Cult. The problem here is that the Avatarverse is limited because in America a lot of action based cartoons reside in the realm of children's entertainment. Therefore, Korra hasn't demonstrated the durability or ruthlessness to fight an opponent like Roy.

Roy started his fight with Envy by lighting the fluid in his eyeballs on fire. That kind of pain right there would just completely destroy Korra's mental state and take her out of the battle. And you don't have to worry about reaction speeds, without any intel Korra wouldn't know to dodge Roy's snaps. Anyways there is the possibility that Korra bends the fire off of her but she would still be suffering damage every time she gets lit up.

Finally, both Avatar teams (this one and the previous) have demonstrated how poorly they do against telepathic bending. Combustion man pressured all of Aang's team and I'd venture to say that Roy's powers are even better than that.

Roy would not hesitate to set the fluid on Korra's eyeballs on fire and while she writhes in pain, he ignites her bone marrow and ends the fight.

[joon61]

why is this even here.
Roy blew up envy's eyeballs with pin point aiming.
Korra has no chance.

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

Roy started his fight with Envy by lighting the fluid in his eyeballs on fire. That kind of pain right there would just completely destroy Korra's mental state and take her out of the battle. And you don't have to worry about reaction speeds, without any intel Korra wouldn't know to dodge Roy's snaps. Anyways there is the possibility that Korra bends the fire off of her but she would still be suffering damage every time she gets lit up.

According to forum rules both sides get basic knowledge of each other. In Mustang's case that would be "causes explosions", so Korra would be ready to firebend or earthbend in defense. If Roy did boil Korra's eyes the fight would be over, but Korra can prevent that.

Finally, both Avatar teams (this one and the previous) have demonstrated how poorly they do against telepathic bending. Combustion man pressured all of Aang's team and I'd venture to say that Roy's powers are even better than that.

Combustion Man was also able to power through any any attack Team Avatar sent at him and had better destruction feats than Roy. Korra has the Avatar State available to her, which would allow her to stomp on both Roy and Combustion Man.

[joon61]

If roy snaps his fingers,her eyes are blown up.
Yep,just like that.

[Cult of Personality]

Originally Posted by Bradley

which you have refused to support.

Reference: Fullmetal Alchemist.

You still haven't provided any evidence to support your claim that Roy's attacks are too fast for Korra to react to

I don't need to since the burden of proof is on you prove Korra is that fast.


And when you wanna provide that proof, then we'll be getting somewhere. Until then we're just going in circles because you don't want to admit that you're wrong.

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

he flames and baits you

I take exception to this. Never once have I ever baited anyone. When I insult people it is merely to express my disdain for them. Not to provoke a like response.

[Larry01239]

Roy snaps his fingers, Korra explodes.

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

BG defaults apply

fight takes place in a depopulate Lake Havasu city Arizona..

hows this go?

...so did you create a stomp thread for any specific reason?

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by Bradley

According to forum rules both sides get basic knowledge of each other. In Mustang's case that would be "causes explosions", so Korra would be ready to firebend or earthbend in defense. If Roy did boil Korra's eyes the fight would be over, but Korra can prevent that.



Combustion Man was also able to power through any any attack Team Avatar sent at him and had better destruction feats than Roy. Korra has the Avatar State available to her, which would allow her to stomp on both Roy and Combustion Man.

Causes explosions and lights eyeballs on fire are two different sets of intel my friend. If she was able to prep for ridiculous telepathic abilities then when she went up against Tarlokk she wouldn't have gotten owned by blood bending. She had her basic intel "bends fluids" but she didn't think that meant fluids in her body. Just like she'd have her basic intel "causes explosions" but wouldn't think that means explosions in her body.

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

Reference: Fullmetal Alchemist.

Oh. In that case, I reference Legend of Korra for evidence that Korra is fast enough to react to Mustang's attacks.

I don't need to since the burden of proof is on you prove Korra is that fast.

And when you wanna provide that proof, then we'll be getting somewhere. Until then we're just going in circles because you don't want to admit that you're wrong.

You haven't even established how fast Roy is in the first place. That Roy Mustang's attacks are too fast for Korra is your claim. Your claim, your burden of proof.

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

Causes explosions and lights eyeballs on fire are two different sets of intel my friend. If she was able to prep for ridiculous telepathic abilities then when she went up against Tarlokk she wouldn't have gotten owned by blood bending. She had her basic intel "bends fluids" but she didn't think that meant fluids in her body. Just like she'd have her basic intel "causes explosions" but wouldn't think that means explosions in her body.

The process is still the same -- there's a perceivable ignition trail between Roy's glove and the target area. Korra can block that ignition trail either with firebending or earthbending (any bending will do really, those are just what Korra could use most successfully).

[Cult of Personality]

You say Korra can deflect Roy's flames, that means more than just technical ability, it also includes the actual capacity to react to the claim. The burden of proof is entirely yours and that will never change.

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

You say Korra can deflect Roy's flames, that means more than just technical ability, it also includes the actual capacity to react to the claim. The burden of proof is entirely yours and that will never change.

Unless you prove that Mustang's attack speed is anything special, nothing special needs to be proved about Korra's speed to react to it. So yeah. Evidence about Mustang's speed?