Bluenote vs Akainu

[Ultimate combatant]

Who wins?!!

[Ohako]

Without any form of haki, Bluenote can not technically damage Akainu in any way. If you change your mind to the rules i will swap sides. But as of now Akainu got this due intangibility

[Noctis Arashi]

BG rules state energy equivalence. So magic power=haki I believe.

[Cult of Personality]

Haki is not equal to things like chi/reiatsu/chakra.

Also, who the fug is Bluenote.

[Ohako]

Originally Posted by Noctis Arashi

BG rules state energy equivalence. So magic power=haki I believe.

Yeah i was thinking that was right, but couldn't remember. In that case Bluenote could crush Akainu's throat and win. I don't see Akainu landing a hit, because Bluenote can use gravity to stop the lava from reaching him.

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

Haki is not equal to things like chi/reiatsu/chakra.

Also, who the fug is Bluenote.

Bluenote is a from the anime/manga Fairy Tail that controls gravity.

[Cult of Personality]

I don't know how fast Bluenote is, so I'll assume he's at least within Akainu's range.

He controls gravity, non? What's stopping him from saying "No gravity for you, Fleet Admiral Sakazuki!" and let the guy float off into space?

[Noctis Arashi]

Pretty much the fact he never has actually done that.

[Cult of Personality]

Is it not conceivably that it is within his capabilities?

[Noctis Arashi]

Essentially. He did however, have enough strength to completely level specific areas of land and sink them with gravity.

[Ohako]

Originally Posted by Cult of Personality

Is it not conceivably that it is within his capabilities?

Bluenote has never shown the ability to lighten Gravity but only intensify it.

[Noctis Arashi]

Originally Posted by Ohako

Bluenote has never shown the ability to lighten Gravity but only intensify it.

And restore it to normal.

[Ohako]

Originally Posted by Noctis Arashi

And restore it to normal.

Oh wait didn't he lift Cana in the air?

[321zigzag3]

I am not exactly sure how this is a good match at all. Bluenote can only delay Akainu for a short term. Not to mention Akainu is supposed to be much faster than him.

Bluenote's only real weapon able to harm Akainu is his trump card BLack Hole.

Then again it was quite an awful Trump Card.

Probably the worst magically created Black Hole and also one of the worst trump cards I have ever seen.

[Ohako]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

I am not exactly sure how this is a good match at all. Bluenote can only delay Akainu for a short term. Not to mention Akainu is supposed to be much faster than him.

Bluenote's only real weapon able to harm Akainu is his trump card BLack Hole.

Then again it was quite an awful Trump Card.

Probably the worst magically created Black Hole and also one of the worst trump cards I have ever seen.

Bluenote just faced the wrong opponent. The black hole didn't work on Gildarts, because he just used his crash magic to destroy it. Akainu won't be able to destroy it, any attacks he uses will just be sucked up.

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

I am not exactly sure how this is a good match at all. Bluenote can only delay Akainu for a short term. Not to mention Akainu is supposed to be much faster than him.

Bluenote's only real weapon able to harm Akainu is his trump card BLack Hole.

Then again it was quite an awful Trump Card.

Probably the worst magically created Black Hole and also one of the worst trump cards I have ever seen.

What Ohako said. Also not to mention he was on equal level as Gildarts and his manipulation of gravity!!!

[321zigzag3]

Well even if we throw out the speed difference. If that is to be believed....

Originally Posted by Ultimate combatant

What Ohako said. Also not to mention he was on equal level as Gildarts and his manipulation of gravity!!!

Do you think Gildarts can beat Akainu?

Considering his strength, durability, and of course massive range.
Gildarts is mainly short range character.

Gildarts could beat Akainu but I find Akainu in his feats, just that superior.

Originally Posted by Ohako

Bluenote just faced the wrong opponent.

It is true he faced the wrong opponet but I expected something greater than the Fall spell Bluenote did. THen again it didn't kill even Lucy or the cats.
Just restricted their movments and then Natsu was able to fight it off.

He has greater gravity manipulation than Nagato but in terms of raw power, far inferior minus the Fall spell.

The black hole didn't work on Gildarts, because he just used his crash magic to destroy. Akainu won't be able to destroy any attacks he uses will just be sucked up.

Well lets look at the black hole.

Bluenote clasps his hands. A dark hole forms in front of him and it grows slowly in size sucking up matter.

THe problem is the range appears to be pretty short and the pull not as powerful and sudden. Gildarts didn't get immediately sucked in. In fact look at the outside surroundings. Not as much.

Also Bluenote is a sitting target. Vulnerable to side, back, up, and underneath attacks.

Unless of course the Black Hole's pulling field is that powerful that it won't matter. (Still makes Bluenote vulnerable to his behind) Then again GIldarts or large chunks of matter didn't get sucked in.


Its a great technique, for short range purposes. But I don't see how Akainu cannot get around that unless he just sits there like an idiot.

Also I don't see BLuenote surviving Akainu before that anyway.


Unless there is a manga evidence to show or Mashima himself saying BLuenote's black hole range is not just short range.

I mean it looks like mainly 5 to 10 meters at best.

[Ohako]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Gildarts could beat Akainu but I find Akainu in his feats, just that superior.



It is true he faced the wrong opponet but I expected something greater than the Fall spell Bluenote did. THen again it didn't kill even Lucy or the cats.
Just restricted their movments and then Natsu was able to fight it off.

Well, yes in terms of actually defeating opponents, Bluenote has shown anything much, but he can completely restrict their movements. Akainu can't do a thing. In the end that would just be a stalemate.

Well lets look at the black hole.

Bluenote clasps his hands. A dark hole forms in front of him and it grows slowly in size sucking up matter.

THe problem is the range appears to be pretty short and the pull not as powerful and sudden. Gildarts didn't get immediately sucked in. In fact look at the outside surroundings. Not as much.

Also Bluenote is a sitting target. Vulnerable to side, back, up, and underneath attacks.

Unless of course the Black Hole's pulling field is that powerful that it won't matter. (Still makes Bluenote vulnerable to his behind) Then again GIldarts or large chunks of matter didn't get sucked in.


Its a great technique, for short range purposes. But I don't see how Akainu cannot get around that unless he just sits there like an idiot.

Also I don't see BLuenote surviving Akainu before that anyway.


Unless there is a manga evidence to show or Mashima himself saying BLuenote's black hole range is not just short range.

I mean it looks like mainly 5 to 10 meters at best.

Okay yes, the black hole feats don't seem that great, but Bluenote stands directly behind the black hole and is shown to be unaffected by it. Yeah it appears he is defenseless, but any attacks sent towards Bluenote will just get sucked up in the black hole. It's not like Akainu could move freely anyways and attack while the Black hole is in play. Plus, the black hole wasn't able to show it's true potential, because they were fighting in a crater. There was nothing it could suck up except for the debris from the crushed earth.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by Ohako

Well, yes in terms of actually defeating opponents, Bluenote has shown anything much, but he can completely restrict their movements. Akainu can't do a thing. In the end that would just be a stalemate.

NAtsu was able to move in the end.

So was Gildarts.

Okay yes, the black hole feats don't seem that great, but Bluenote stands directly behind the black hole and is shown to be unaffected by it.

Bluenote wasn't affected of course but it makes the technique weaker that it is mainly a frontal range.

Yeah it appears he is defenseless, but any attacks sent towards Bluenote will just get sucked up in the black hole.

Regardless of speed and range?

Not to mention again Bluenote is vulnerable to any non frontal assault especially the back even if you include the black hole effect.

It's not like Akainu could move freely anyways and attack while the Black hole is in play.

He could move his arms and stretch his body to get out of reach I suppose. he can also anchor himself while using his magma to attack from behind.

Anyway bluenote is far more likely to die before he gets to use it. Akainu's magma range is incredible.

Plus, the black hole wasn't able to show it's true potential, because they were fighting in a crater. There was nothing it could suck up except for the debris from the crushed earth.

I espected more debris especially considering the ground but regardless.

I was just disapointed. Just like Sting and Rogue end result although it was inevitable.

[Ohako]

[QUOTE=321zigzag3;6248040]NAtsu was able to move in the end.

So was Gildarts.
[QUOTE]

Gildarts I can see and Natsu......hmm he did but its not like Akainu could battle freely under such circumstances.

Bluenote wasn't affected of course but it makes the technique weaker that it is mainly a frontal range.

Regardless of speed and range?

Not to mention again Bluenote is vulnerable to any non frontal assault especially the back even if you include the black hole effect.

Yes, he is open to attacks, but how will Attacks get pass the black hole?

Spoiler:

He could move his arms and stretch his body to get out of reach I suppose. he can also anchor himself while using his magma to attack from behind.

Hmmm magma anchoring.....I didn't think of that.....

Anyway bluenote is far more likely to die before he gets to use it. Akainu's magma range is incredible.

Well yes Akainu's ability is better for killing people, but Bluenote can just increase the gravity on lava. It won't reach him.

I espected more debris especially considering the ground but regardless.

I was just disapointed. Just like Sting and Rogue end result although it was inevitable.

I agree on Sting and Rogue's result, but back on topic hmm it showed a good amount of debris here and there kinda.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by Ohako

Gildarts I can see and Natsu......hmm he did but its not like Akainu could battle freely under such circumstances.

Why not?

Yes, he is open to attacks, but how will Attacks get pass the black hole?

So by this statement.

If Akainu launched in theory, a mass wave of magma hundreds of meters long like in a giant fist size of a small ship or a meteor shower.
It is all going to sucked into the tiny black hole?

Hence why I asked regardless of speed and range?


Its a frontal attack mainly.
Even if it starts sucking the wave behind Bluenote, Bluenote is still vulnerable to the crossfire.
And of course I am not including the supposed massive speed difference.

And of course considering how much power and strength behind the magma wave and giant fists I doubt Bluenote's gravity is going to do successfully slow it down.

Magma will still flow. Bluenote has not shown the ability to anchor anyone to the point where they can barely move.

Well yes Akainu's ability is better for killing people, but Bluenote can just increase the gravity on lava. It won't reach him.

Bluenote's ability has obviously some limit otherwise Gildarts should have been anchored too.

Unless you want to argue Gildarts' crash negates the gravitational force around him but we don't know that.

How do you resist Gravity based field magic? Physical strength no?
Akainu has plenty enough of that. His Leg was able to counter WHitebeard's bisento attack.