Spoiler: Minato vs someone is very likely.

Satsuki · 09-10-2012, 01:29 PM

Just want to point out that from Naruto Chapter 1 it has been 4 years in total in the NarutoVerse, excluding the flashbacks.

Naruto has gone from someone who could barely make a NORMAL clone, NOT a shadow clone to someone who could beat Kurama solo and avoid the Raikage at top speed.

Obito had 5 years. Now, that seems that since Obito was trained by Madara, and they both had the same Kekkai Genkai, they could easily train well enough together and I think it's safe to say that Obito is on Izuna's level of power in his prime, right now.

Naruto had 4 years. Obito had 5 years.

Sure, sure, he had to recuperate from the damage from the rocks, but hey, Naruto only learned Oodama Rasengan, and the Rasengan, and multiple shadow clones over the course of 3 years. He then went on to Master his RasenShuriken, Sage Mode, and take on Kurama within his remaining timeframe to the present day.

So let's do the math, Naruto had 1 year to master Sage Mode, his RasenShuriken, and multiple variations of the Rasengan, along with the Bijuu Bomb and Bijuu Mode.

Obito had 5 years minus let's say 1 year of recuperation. So Obito had 4 years to master his own eye techniques, along with learn whatever Madara could throw at him with his Sharingan.

Obito vs Minato is very likely. Much more likely than MADARA LOSING TO THE FOURTH, without using the Susano'o.

It couldn't have been Madara vs Minato.

Why didn't he use Susano'o? Why didn't he use clones? It doesn't make much sense that he ONLY used Obito's abilities. Minato didn't tell anyone about his abilities, EVER. Tobi/Obito was a complete mystery.

Vivi · 09-10-2012, 01:46 PM

Are you saying it was Obito that battle against Yondaime?
Thought that was obvious.

Jakropha · 09-10-2012, 01:49 PM

Seeing as how Naruto is like Obito in nearly every way...

I see your point, and it has been taken.

Now, I wait for Kishi to make the biggest mistake, making Obito weak to Tnj

Maruko · 09-10-2012, 01:49 PM

Yeah, it was obvious.

l3thall3g3nd · 09-10-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vivi

Are you saying it was Obito that battle against Yondaime?
Thought that was obvious.

It still doesn't make sence though.

Godaime Kazekage · 09-10-2012, 03:16 PM

Obito had two years max.

Vivi · 09-10-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by l3thall3g3nd

It still doesn't make sence though.

Elaborate.

SilentBlade · 09-10-2012, 05:41 PM

I still don't buy that it was Obito battling Minato, and for an interesting reason. Recall that when you see Obito now, he's using a signature fan, similar to the fan like ninja tool that we see Madara carrying around. When we see the original battle between Tobi and Minato, that specific ninja tool doesn't exist, in fact the tool that he uses appear more like chakra chains.

That said, we know that Kushina and Naruto both have access to chakra chains, and probably as part of that special chakra contained within the Uzumaki line. I'd still take it so far as to say that the original tobi that we ran into was not Obito at all, but more likely someone more closely related to the Uzumaki clan. I'd actually take it a step further and state that the Uzumaki joined up with Madara because (perhaps) they felt that they were on the losing side of the transaction of the Jinchuriki.

paradigm1977 · 09-10-2012, 07:32 PM

OR

The Tobi Minato fought was specifically, Obito's predecessor. The prior student of madara, and also a T/S user.

After the fight, he was so messed up, that Madara had to find a new disciple.

Shisui wasn't the first to have koto, otherwise, people wouldn't have known it can only activate every ten years. So Obito wasn't likely the first to have T/S jutsu.

BoxHead · 09-10-2012, 07:35 PM

I think all of the Masked Madaras ARE Tobi, as Yagura's controller's face was never shown.

Maruko · 09-11-2012, 01:07 AM

They are all Obito.
You see that Madara was an old creep in chapter 601. :P

Godaime Kazekage · 09-11-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Maruko

They are all Obito.
You see that Madara was an old creep in chapter 601. :P

That just means another plot hole, since the Era of the Bloody Mist started way before Obito met Madara.

Rikudo Sage · 09-11-2012, 02:25 PM

4 yrs to master his Sharringan..? It seems like your timeling is wrong..

The interval between Gaiden and Kyubi's rampage is not more than 1 yr

Its either Kishi is fooling his readers just because this manga is meant for kids not for adult or the Tobi who fought Minato is not Obito..

first you have to take note that when Kakashi is 26-27 yrs old Naruto is 12-13..

Kakashi is 13-14 yrs older than Naruto. Kakashi is 13-14 yrs old when Naruto was born and Obito is 13-14 yrs old when he attacked the village. When Naruto is 12-13 yrs old he's just a kid by his looks and voice but the masked man who fought Minato and attacked the village is adult that's why Minato thought Tobi is Madara.

So its either Kishi is trolling the timeline or the masked guy is not really Obito.

PrinceofPeace · 09-11-2012, 06:19 PM

of course it happened. If it was Madara then Minato would be dead. Tobi has white zetsu DNA and same techs

Satsuki · 09-14-2012, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vivi

Elaborate.

That is why I made this thread. So that the dumb people can finally realize that it's plausible. And obvious, as you stated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

Obito had two years max.

Obito had 2 years for recovery max, and 3 years to study and train under Madara.

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Originally Posted by Rikudo Sage

first you have to take note that when Kakashi is 26-27 yrs old Naruto is 12-13..

Someone forgot about the 2 and a half year timeskip between Naruto and Naruto Shippuden. Plus, Obito is a year older than Kakashi.

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Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

of course it happened. If it was Madara then Minato would be dead. Tobi has white zetsu DNA and same techs

Yet some people, not you, are dumb enough to still be confused.

Godaime Kazekage · 09-15-2012, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satsuki

That is why I made this thread. So that the dumb people can finally realize that it's plausible. And obvious, as you stated.

Obito had 2 years for recovery max, and 3 years to study and train under Madara.

Someone forgot about the 2 and a half year timeskip between Naruto and Naruto Shippuden. Plus, Obito is a year older than Kakashi.

Yet some people, not you, are dumb enough to still be confused.

Us "dumb people" have evidence to show that things you're claiming as facts (i.e. Obito having 5 years) are clearly untrue. It's not that we don't realize that Kamui and Zetsu goo are clear indicators that it was Obito that was Tobi, we just can't believe that Obito could grow so much and fight on a similar level as Minato in such a short period of time.

Kakashi was 26-27 in the original Naruto, he's 29-30 after the TS. According to birth dates given by the databook Kakashi is about 14 years and 1 month old when Naruto is born. Obito is either 7 months older than Kakashi or 5 months younger, due to his February birthdate-this means that the maximum amount of time between Obito's "death" and the Kyuubi incident was 1 year and 8 months, and Obito's maximum age was 14 years and 8 months. Kakashi is also clearly not fully grown at the time of the Kyuubi incident (although he does look to be older than 14, maybe 15-16).

Kishi will probably retcon Obito and Kakshi's ages to make this fit, like all of the contradictory things he's put into Obito's backstory already. (Minato's face being on the Hokage Monument before the war, Kakashi becoming a chuunin at 10-11 instead of 6).

In short: Don't call other people dumb when they don't agree with you or point out your mistakes.

Satsuki · 09-15-2012, 02:04 PM

^Alright, and as I've stated, Naruto has had one year to master Sage Mode, master Rasenshuriken, and battle Kurama Solo, and beat him.

Doesn't make much sense that someone wouldn't stand a chance against their own Sensei aftr 2 years.

4 years since the start of the series, Kakashi is now about 31 years old. Obito was 13 when he was crushed. 31-13=18.

Obito had 5 years.

Tenz · 09-15-2012, 02:05 PM

I completely agree with you. Madara so far hasn't shown any space-time capabilities.
Also remember Kakashi told Team 7 that there are ninja younger then them, but stronger than even Kakashi. So it is completely possible for it it be Obito vs. Minato

WishfulFairie · 09-15-2012, 02:08 PM

Didn't Tobito already fight Minato (naruto's birth)
I know about the age problem but there's genjutsu and box world
i dunno, i'm too lazy to read all these posts

Satsuki · 09-15-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WishfulFairie

Didn't Tobito already fight Minato (naruto's birth)
I know about the age problem but there's genjutsu and box world
i dunno, i'm too lazy to read all these posts

This is the other thing, we don't know how time works in the Kamui World. It might not even be parallel to the Naruto World.

And yes, this thread is about that fight. People are wondering how he had enough time to recuperate and train enough to be a match for his own sensei, and I explained it in the OP.

Obito had 5 years to do all of that. Naruto only had 1 to do all that he has done.

09-10-2012, 01:29 PM	#1
Satsuki Chunin Exam Participant Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Beyond Yomi Posts: 769 Rep Power: 4	Minato vs someone is very likely. Just want to point out that from Naruto Chapter 1 it has been 4 years in total in the NarutoVerse, excluding the flashbacks. Naruto has gone from someone who could barely make a NORMAL clone, NOT a shadow clone to someone who could beat Kurama solo and avoid the Raikage at top speed. Obito had 5 years. Now, that seems that since Obito was trained by Madara, and they both had the same Kekkai Genkai, they could easily train well enough together and I think it's safe to say that Obito is on Izuna's level of power in his prime, right now. Naruto had 4 years. Obito had 5 years. Sure, sure, he had to recuperate from the damage from the rocks, but hey, Naruto only learned Oodama Rasengan, and the Rasengan, and multiple shadow clones over the course of 3 years. He then went on to Master his RasenShuriken, Sage Mode, and take on Kurama within his remaining timeframe to the present day. So let's do the math, Naruto had 1 year to master Sage Mode, his RasenShuriken, and multiple variations of the Rasengan, along with the Bijuu Bomb and Bijuu Mode. Obito had 5 years minus let's say 1 year of recuperation. So Obito had 4 years to master his own eye techniques, along with learn whatever Madara could throw at him with his Sharingan. Obito vs Minato is very likely. Much more likely than MADARA LOSING TO THE FOURTH, without using the Susano'o. It couldn't have been Madara vs Minato. Why didn't he use Susano'o? Why didn't he use clones? It doesn't make much sense that he ONLY used Obito's abilities. Minato didn't tell anyone about his abilities, EVER. Tobi/Obito was a complete mystery. __________________ ------- Swordsmith of the Summit Village (and proud) Satsuki: I am Ohri-Jin ; Zanmato's Zantetsuken. "Memories of your past can be forgotten, but you must never forget your origin." To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. color="LemonChiffon"> _/\/\/\_~~~~~~_/\/\/\_ ^-^ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ^-^ ------- Last edited by Satsuki; 09-10-2012 at 01:31 PM.

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Satsuki Chunin Exam Participant Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Beyond Yomi Posts: 769 Rep Power: 4	Re: Minato vs Obito is very likely. ^Alright, and as I've stated, Naruto has had one year to master Sage Mode, master Rasenshuriken, and battle Kurama Solo, and beat him. Doesn't make much sense that someone wouldn't stand a chance against their own Sensei aftr 2 years. 4 years since the start of the series, Kakashi is now about 31 years old. Obito was 13 when he was crushed. 31-13=18. Obito had 5 years. __________________ ------- Swordsmith of the Summit Village (and proud) Satsuki: I am Ohri-Jin ; Zanmato's Zantetsuken. "Memories of your past can be forgotten, but you must never forget your origin." To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. color="LemonChiffon"> _/\/\/\_~~~~~~_/\/\/\_ ^-^ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ^-^ ------- Last edited by Satsuki; 09-15-2012 at 02:08 PM.

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