Tobi vs. Minato

[PrinceofPeace]

Basically Minato can only summon gama. Speed is equal and Kurama would be a huge distraction. Kuami kunai away. Kurama takes out Gama .

[Godaime Kazekage]

@PoP: OP says Kurama's not in this fight, why do you keep talking about him?

@Tenz: Why would Tobi use the extra chakra needed for Kakashi's Kamui when he phases through the kunai for (virtually) no chakra? He doesn't have any more knowledge than he did before, so he wouldn't know about Minato's plan-the only difference in this situation is that he has Kakashi's MS too.

Since when does Tobi have regeneration? Unless you're talking about his Zetsu goo appendages which he can only replace at his hideout (outside of battle).

[lolohwd]

Do Tobis current feats apply to this battle

because if so. he actually has an offensive feat now

[PrinceofPeace]

??? When did the OP say that Kurama is not allowed??

[lolohwd]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

??? When did the OP say that Kurama is not allowed??

boxhead said so in a latter post so no frogs either. its just one on one

[PrinceofPeace]

oh ok. Well if it is current Tobi than he wins with his barrier/fire style

Minato only has rasengan and he only moves fast due to kunai so once they are gon/destroyed the battle is over

TObi has more feats and knowledge . plus when is mask comes offf Minato would be flabergasted . Also even IF he got hit than Tobi can regenerate

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

oh ok. Well if it is current Tobi than he wins with his barrier/fire style

Minato only has rasengan and he only moves fast due to kunai so once they are gon/destroyed the battle is over

TObi has more feats and knowledge . plus when is mask comes offf Minato would be flabergasted . Also even IF he got hit than Tobi can regenerate

Again, I'm pretty sure it's the same situation in Minato vs. Maked Man/Tobi, only the Masked Man/Tobi has both of Obito's eyes.

Tobi probably can't put the barrier up around himself, and how would the barrier be helpful anyway? Minato easily evades his fire style with FTG. How does Tobi get rid of all of Minato's kunai? If you're going to say Kamui then that's ridiculous-Minato can use at least 30 Kunai so Tobi's going to die from over-usage of the technique if he tries to Kamui them all.

Once again, Tobi CAN'T regenerate-where are you getting this? He can only put back his Zetsu goo appendages at his base/away from battle and his whole body isn't made of goo.

[PrinceofPeace]

is gedo maze aloud?

[lolohwd]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

is gedo maze aloud?

dont think so because it would basically be like kurama

[PrinceofPeace]

well it should say it in the op or by the starter of the thread! Until all the info is provided than idk what to do or what the point is.

Gedo maze has not been stated to be out so Tobi can use it's shockwave for the win. It solo'd a good parat of a division

[Uchiha Sora]

Kamui, GG?

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by Uchiha Sora

Kamui, GG?

Tobi Already tried to suck him into his dimension and failed hard.

Minato simply teleports to safety as he does with any attack tobi throws at him.

[PrinceofPeace]

he could kaumi the FTG kunai

[PrinceofPeace]

Is this current Tobito?
Is gedo maze allowed?

If both is yes than he stomps. minato can not teleport forever and Gama is not much help.

Basically he can be intangible for 10minutes and take off his mask and get Minato off guard than attack

Minato has no way to hit Tobi

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by Iso:Dream

Simply because Tobi allowed the Kunai to go through him, meaning of course an obvious kunai port and Rasengan.

I doubt he allows that to happen twice with the fire style techs he now has shown. The Kunai are casually incinerated.

I was talking about tobi initial attempt where he almost blitzed minato but failed to suck him in.(he ported away while getting sucked in(
Fire Style Techniques are casually Dodged by FTG.
Minato can simply hide some of his kunais or use the ones he has at his hide out/home. Anyway its impossible for tobi to know each exact location of each kunai if minato hides them.

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Is this current Tobito?
Is gedo maze allowed?

If both is yes than he stomps. minato can not teleport forever and Gama is not much help.

Basically he can be intangible for 10minutes and take off his mask and get Minato off guard than attack

Minato has no way to hit Tobi

He does the same way as in their previous fight.

Meanwhile Tobi has shown nothing new which can touch minato. If space-time techniques arent getting him simple fire jutsu wont either.

Wouldnt taking off his mask as you like say to be 'out of character' .

He also he cant attack while intangable he must solidify first at which point minato will catch him with a rasengan (like their previous encounter).

Summary: Tobi has shown nothing new which could change the outcome of the fight hence minato wins again because it is pratically the same fight.

[JLI2infinity]

My strategy remains that Tobi uses Kamui when Minato's kunai gets right in front of his face and he gets ready to teleport. Minato is completely caught off guard and has no time to react...Tobi stabs him to death. If Minato won the original battle by inches and milliseconds I think it would be a valid assumption that he could've just as well lost the fight by inches and milliseconds if anything was altered. Him not having his main kunai to teleport to would be the one thing that changes and thus changes the outcome of the battle.

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

My strategy remains that Tobi uses Kamui when Minato's kunai gets right in front of his face and he gets ready to teleport. Minato is completely caught off guard and has no time to react...Tobi stabs him to death. If Minato won the original battle by inches and milliseconds I think it would be a valid assumption that he could've just as well lost the fight by inches and milliseconds if anything was altered. Him not having his main kunai to teleport to would be the one thing that changes and thus changes the outcome of the battle.

Tobi cant be Intangable and use jutsu at the same time as far as i know (that is what minato exploited). So as soon as tobi would kamui one kunai. Minato would blitz him with another kunai+ Rasengan.

The Kunai Was Going Through his head if he would solidify he would get killed right there.

Who even says that minato has to throw a kunai at his face again?

Then there still is the fact that minato has multiple kunai why would he only have one kunai while in every fight he has been in he has shown to have more then one . And he can throw multiple kunai.

It would be different if minato would possess only 1 kunai but he doesnt.

[Uchiha Sora]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Tobi Already tried to suck him into his dimension and failed hard.

Minato simply teleports to safety as he does with any attack tobi throws at him.

Not space time migration, Kakashi's Kamui

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by Uchiha Sora

Not space time migration, Kakashi's Kamui

They basicly are the same thing they suck things into the same dimension. Only one has to be close up while the other is longe range.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

My strategy remains that Tobi uses Kamui when Minato's kunai gets right in front of his face and he gets ready to teleport. Minato is completely caught off guard and has no time to react...Tobi stabs him to death. If Minato won the original battle by inches and milliseconds I think it would be a valid assumption that he could've just as well lost the fight by inches and milliseconds if anything was altered. Him not having his main kunai to teleport to would be the one thing that changes and thus changes the outcome of the battle.

There are multiple problems with this strategy-
First, it's going by the assumption that Tobi can act quicker/has better reaction speed than Minato when it's been shown that Minato has the best reaction speed in the entire Narutoverse. Minato likely could've Rasengan'd Tobi before he could suck him in anyway, he just went for the safer/smarter option of teleporting behind Tobi in which he still Rasengan'd Tobi to the back before he could react and make himself intangible-RM Naruto, Guy, and Kakashi working together haven't been able to get a hit on Obito w/out using Kamui (altough we still don't have confirmation that the "Tobi" Minato fought was Obito). It's like hustling in pool-you lose a game to boost the opponent's confidence (Minato moved exactly at a speed that Tobi thought he would just barely have the advantage and win) and then you show your true skills and beat the opponent in the next game for double the money (use Hirashin Lvl. 2 and Rasengan to the back).

Minato freaking out and being "unable to react" after his Kunai is Kamui'd is laughable-he was able to escape from Tobi's warping after being caught off guard and was able to warp away after initially underestimating and being surprised by A at full speed. If Tobi warped the kunai Minato would just warp to a different kunai if he was unconfident he could get the first strike. Minato doesn't need to psych himself up for FTG, the technique is instant.

@Boxhead: Does the Tobi in this situation even have the same feats and knowledge as Obito? I was under the impression that the fight was supposed to be exactly the same (knowledge, abilities) except for Tobi having Kakashi's MS and Minato not having to worry about the village.