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Old 09-04-2012, 02:21 AM   #21
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Zabuza does not have a contract with haku ( i do not know why ppl say that)

Konan sometime somewhere signed a contract agreeeing to be a summoning. Ma has not been shown to summon Naruto while fused to Jiryria.... how would that even work???????

I gave the chap n pg that Konan can be summoned
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Zabuza does not have a contract with haku ( i do not know why ppl say that)

Konan sometime somewhere signed a contract agreeeing to be a summoning. Ma has not been shown to summon Naruto while fused to Jiryria.... how would that even work???????

I gave the chap n pg that Konan can be summoned
It doesn't matter that she's fused. She can still use all her techniques, so if Konan can be summoned than Naruto can be reverse summoned.
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Zabuza does not have a contract with haku ( i do not know why ppl say that)

Konan sometime somewhere signed a contract agreeeing to be a summoning. Ma has not been shown to summon Naruto while fused to Jiryria.... how would that even work???????

I gave the chap n pg that Konan can be summoned




Any Proof Konan Sign a contract so she can be summoned...Humans can not sign a contract with other humans.


Infinity,I pointed that shima can summon naruto btw.
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Animal path/Nagato/Path of Pain summons all of summonings and Konan to a safe location

^ Are you serious!! I already gave you the info where/when he summoned konan

we did not see Temari make a contract but she can still summon her weasel
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Nagato and Sasuke don't need Konan to win. Nagato can use Planetary Destruction . KO
I can't see how danzo, oro, and jiraiya can stop that.
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^ Are you serious!! I already gave you the info where/when he summoned konan

we did not see Temari make a contract but she can still summon her weasel


I meant a proof where it was stated that she signed a contact with nagato.


I know he can summon her but she can not be used unless stated in OP.Lets make it clear to you go on narutopedia type gamabunta,Manda,Fukasaku,Shima you will see they are all summonings but go on konan you will never see that she is described as summoning.She is nagato's closest friend not his summon.





Tenz:All three of them are super intelectuall shinobi not some retards like jirobo who can't figure anything, out.

Danzo would probably use his wind release,Jiraiya That Oil thing,And Shima And Fukasaku their techniques.And Orochimaru could use his shadow snakes or sumtin.There Planetary Devastation is negated.

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^ If you go to naruto wiki, in summoning technique page, nagato's summons include Konan. Duhh

Plus you need a high level jutsu to negate planetary devastation. toad oil bath, wind, and oro's snakes cannot negate planetary devastatio. It took a combination of sage rasenshuriken, tailed beast ball, and susanoo to destroy it
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^ If you go to naruto wiki, in summoning technique page, nagato's summons include Konan. Duhh

Plus you need a high level jutsu to negate planetary devastation. toad oil bath, wind, and oro's snakes cannot negate planetary devastatio. It took a combination of sage rasenshuriken, tailed beast ball, and susanoo to destroy it
You do know that the naruto wiki like any wiki has mistakes because it is edited by ordinary fans like you and me. Shima was seen summoning Naruto. If someone says Nagato summons Konan, then it is perfectly valid to say Shima summons Naruto.

But I already said that Nagato and Sasuke win here. Mostly because Nagato in his original body without a handicap is extremely powerful. And his summons can help Sasuke take out Danzo quickly, while Nagato stalls Oro and Jiraiya, which he is the best suited to do with his Preta Path and Shinra Tensei making it near impossible to touch him. And his bird summon and Asura missiles giving him long range capabilities.
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I'm not sure how this lasted 2 pages.

Prince everything you stated in the counter post was not accurate.

Izanagi is near instaneous once the brace is off, which takes 5 seconds to release. Orochimaru can leech forever and easily target anyone of them with a blindside. ANYONE, including Nagato. CT your trump card is countered by Underworld Swamp, Leech all creation where Orochimaru pops out and goes into hydra stomping Deva instantly or slicing him in half with wind style or beheading him with Kusanagi, Frog Oil Bullet which is an acre wide fire bomb, Frog Song, a spawning Danzo in Izanagi, a burrowing Manda, Water Pistol by Pa, Tongue Launch by Ma, Elephant summon sucking them into a Katon, Gamabunta's water balls and so on.
How is an mini Black Hole that sucks everything up to the point of ripping the ground it self apart affected by an dark swamp? Seriously CT and its over they cant do anything when ct is on.
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I'm not sure how this lasted 2 pages.

Izanagi is near instaneous once the brace is off, which takes 5 seconds to release.
WRONG!! He needed his ANUB friends to distract Tobi for WAYY longer than 5 seconds.
Orochimaru can leech forever and easily target anyone of them with a blindside.
Oro can not leech forever its OOC and uses a lot of chakra. Plus he can not use his stronger moves while leeching
Underworld Swamp,
absorbed or Nagato summons bird to get away. Saskue see's it coming with sharigan. Also Nagato already has knowledge of it
Leech all creation where Orochimaru pops out and goes into hydra stomping Deva instantly
way OOC. Amaterasu, summoings , ALMIGHTY PUSH, Plantary Devastaion take down Hydra
or slicing him in half with wind style or
easily abosrbed. easily dodged. easily countered with fire style
beheading him with Kusanagi,
eailsy dodged or sends Amaterasu on the sword or pushes the sword away or summonings block or take the hit
Frog Oil Bullet which is an acre wide fire bomb,
absorbed or dodged

Frog Song
takes prep and you have to convince Ma. Also Saskue can use genjutsu to get Nagato out of genjutsu.
, a spawning Danzo in Izanagi,
Takes prep and saskue already defeated him
a burrowing Manda,
vs pain's summonings
Water Pistol by Pa,
absorbed or easily dodged
Tongue Launch by Ma,
easily dodged or Amaterasu
Elephant summon sucking them into a Katon,
Fire style killz baku
Gamabunta's water balls and so on.
can be absorbed or blocked with summoning

Amy can only target one summon at a time, leaving Sasuke open to further attacks in that state. Sasuke has no counter to Izanagi Danzo and leeching Orochimaru tag team. He cannot hold Susano for 10 minutes, and Orochimaru would likely blindside him once it goes down.
huh?? Nagato has a bunch of summonings like 7 to match the other summonings. Not only does Izangai take prep but saskue already defeated him. Oro can not attack while leeching and he can not do if forever. Nagato covers Saskue's blind spot. Saskue does not have to use full Susanoo nor does he use it constantly

In short, no one kills a leeching Orochimaru or Izanagi Danzo. The closest they get to defeating one of these is Amying off one at start, which leaves Sasuke wide open to a death by the other.
Saskue killed an Izanagi Danzo
Oro can not leech forever
Nagato protects Saskue when he uses Amaterasu

You say Amy, I say Underworld Swamp. Both instant kills
Nagto has knowledge of dark swam
Also
Saskue can use sharigan to see it coming than dodge it
or
Nagato absorbs it cuz its ninjutsu
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1- A lot of your sceniro's are ooc
2- Konan can be summoned. It does not say she can not in the op but she is not needed
3- Nagato's summonings out number enmies summonings
4- What beats Plantary Devastaion?
5- Oro is the only threat
6- SM takes prep
7-Izangmi takes prep
(6/7) this means that either Jiryria or Danzo would die first do to Amaterasu or Susanoo arrow or CT cuz they can need prep
8- Oro can not take on both
9- Where does it say Konan can not be summoned
10- Genjtus on Jiryria/Oro/Danzo.... Oro is the most likely to break free
11- They can fly over SOTU
12- How do they get past Amaterasu
13- How do they get bast susanoo arrow
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Saskue summons hawk
Nagato summons weird bird

that is how they counter SOTU
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CT your trump card is countered by Underworld Swamp.
^ at this point. Should have worded it differently.

BTW a quick note. This is Nagato and Sasuke. Meaning not the six paths of pain but nagato himself with all paths combined in one body.

There is no need to counter your other arguments because ct ends the match.

Danzo uses izanagi? He gets sucked right back in.
Oro/Jiraiya isnt even a discussion because the brute strenght of 6 tailed naruto wasnt able to break out.
And even if they had knowledge of CT weakness They dont have any attacks which top a TBB in strenght.

Danzo:
Wind jutsu are useless because of Preta Path.
Izanagi wont help against CT
Baku also will get sucked right into CT and if not pains summons will take care of him.
Izanagi should be able to be stopped by pulling his soul but thats my input.
Wind Blade will be absorbed by preta turning it into a measily kunai.

Orochimaru:
Outclassed by asura in taijutsu
Outclassed in ninjutsu except for his edos which will get sucked up by CT.
Does not posses any usefull genjutsu.
Cant hurt Sasuke While in Susanoo
His Yamata form wil be taken care of by sasuke.
Leeching is that zetsu like thing where he goes in the ground right?. This ground will also be sucked in by CT.

Jiraiya:
The only main danger here
He can potentially petrify nagato if he decides to drain him. Which he wont be needing to that because jiraiya is getting busy sucked into CT.
Frog Song. CT is faster to execute then frog song also jiraiya will be busy dodging sasukes arrows while prepping it if he could do that while getting sucked up by CT.
In any other field Nagato easily outclasses him like in their last fight.
Frog summons? Nagato has Plenty of giant summons of his own.

I dont see them winning unless they have some kind of way of preventing Chibaku Tensei from being used which they dont have as far as i know.(And no a toad oil bullet fired at the center =/= a TBB, a Rasenshuriken and a magatama from itachi susanoo).
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Danzo or Jiryria will get killed right away due to Amaterasu! They are only a threat with Sm or Izangami which takes prep
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Danzo can appear anywhere he wants after being killed in Izanagi.

That really does not matter at all since CT effects the entire battlefield. Any sasuke will ammy have ammy'd him 11 times before he can say 'hiruzen'. He could have appeared behind sasuke the first time and blindside him yet he didnt.

CT ending the match? It sucks everyone into a vortex ball while Nagato remains a wide open floating target for any attack.

Not really since the enemies will be occupied not getting sucked into it and not getting crushed by the gigantic debris of stone flying at them.
Itachi&co didnt even have the time to target nagato until after they dispelled
CT.


Does anyone listen? Itachi, Bee and Naruto all had time to prep Jutsu and fire it at the epicenter of CT. You're assuming Orochimaru and Danzo don't have the capacity to kill a floating Nagato?

The gravity center sucks everything towards it this includes most attacks they posess. They cannot hit nagato until they get rid of the CT but that is not happening because they dont have any firepower that even compares to a TBB,rasenshuriken, and a yasaka magatama.

Jiraiya dodging arrows? Manda, 3 giant frogs, leeching Orochimaru, Danzo, mass fire bombs are now heading toward Sasuke. Please tell me where Jiraiya can't prep Frog Song.

Doesnt Nagato possess like 6 giant summons. The frogs will have enough to do. Again Attacking Sasuke While in his Susanoo is quite meaningless since most would not even make a scratch on it.

Moreover, his Susano takes time to charge up if I recall. He can't arrow immediately,

I have never seen him charge up his arrow and he has claimed it is his fastest attack. Which it couldnt be if it needed charging.

nor can he arrow on his hawk, it's not physically possible. He's Underworld swamped at start regardless.

Why cant he arrow on his hawk? Itachi managed to use susanoo while on a flying debri susanoo isnt limited to ground.

Which leaves Nagato floating on a bird summon who is dodging a burrow Manda, leaping frogs with katanas and staffs, leeching Orochimaru firing Kusanagi and an acre wide fire bomb from Jiraiya and Gamabunta.

which all would be too busy getting sucked up by CT. Jiraiya jutsu are casually absorbed by Preta path. Already adressed the summons. Orochimaru will get Sucked in leeching or not. Also Nagato can make himself invisible with his chameleon summoning at which point orochimaru would not be able to attack him. Only leaving jiraiyas attacks to be absorbed by preta.

I'll make it simple. Underworld Swamp -> Sasuke dies.

No sasuke summons his hawk proceeds to battle from the sky. Nagato Bansho tenins/shinra tensei him to safety.

Frog Song -> Nagato dies.

he is Not prepping it dodging the the arrows/ammys/ arrows covered with ammy from sasuke on his hawk. Or alternatively rockets from asura path.
Or shinra tensei the size of a village. While he is getting sucked up by the gravity ball.


Now add Orochimaru leeching up and Manda burrowing above behind both of them, Orochimaru drops on them in Hydra, Manda peers up and slams them into 8 hungry snake heads.

Besides the fact the CT would suck them up. Nagato can casually shinra tensei any giant summons including manda and oros hydra. Making this strategy useless.

Pick which way they should die first, then tell me again CT works.

This debate is over.
Its far from over.

There is no reason why CT wouldnt end the match and even if they magically escaped from it nagato is far superior to anything jiraiya/oro/danzo have shown. On top of it we have a character who can easily support from the distance with his fast arrows. Fire Ball jutsu and magatama.

The best they have is frog song. Which is not fasters then a ammy or CT or ST or any giant summons. Or BT> Soul pull.

Edit: Looked up the Leech all creation thing and Anko Casually Pulled him out of it with her Snakes in naruto chapter 50. Nagato can just casually Bansho Tenin him out of his leeching.
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how does jiryria get the prep to use Frog Song OR SM?
How does Danzo get the prep to activate Izangmi??

Due to the prep at least ONE of them would die due to Amaterasu or another jutsu. Oro will not be watching or protecting them. Saskue would eliminate Danzo first cuz he knows his skillz

This battle is really Oro/Jiryria vs Saskue/Nagato

Nagato beat jiryria so he can do it again
Saskue held back with SM Kabuto so IC he would defeat Jiryria

Nagato and Saskue> Oro
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Swamp wont work. Nagato STs it away or sucks it up. After that Sauce just summons his hawk and they chill on it. Nagato Would probably follow up with CT after that, knowing the ground ain't safe. Even though swamp tends to be OoC. Everyone's just like lolSOTU when he only used it once

Nothing Team 1 has gets through Sauces Susanoo.

Hydra gets STd. Gama gets STd.

Nagato pulls them into Sasuke who proceeds to impale then with his Ammy Sword.

Sea of snakes get ammy'd. Mandas dead. Frog Song needs prep and SM is OoC. Frog song is OoC for friggin Shima anyway
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Swamp wont work. Nagato STs it away or sucks it up.

Nothing Team 1 has gets through Sauces Susanoo.

Hydra gets STd. Gama gets STd.

Nagato pulls them into Sasuke who proceeds to impale then with his Ammy Sword.
I agree I just can't think of a way that Jiraiya's team can beat Sasuke susanno and Nagatos power.
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Only reason CT was any shred of OoC was because Nagat couldn't control all of the path bodies AND use the jutsu. Deva also needed to be close to him. All of that is irrelevant now that Nagato can fight himself again.

I also assume Nagatos broken ass summons haven't been brought into this.
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Did you read my post? Seriously dude.
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Susano is sunk with Swamp. That's the end of Sasuke.
He's not usin it off the bat. Its pretty OoC. Once Sasuke uses Susano'o, sure.

Preta path absorbing it only saves Nagato, at which point Danzo is pacing with wind bullets and Orochimaru has already launched Kusanagi.
Assuming Nagato isn't already on his summons which he tends to lead off with. IIRC, even a damn FRS didn't kill it.

They could easily both be taken out within the first 5 seconds.
...what..

Hydra and Gama both get ST'd? Interesting. What if Gamabunta fires a water bullet? What happens to the other 2 giant frogs? What about Manda burrowing? How about Danzo's wind bullets? What happenes to Jiraiya's Dragon Fire Style blasting toward Nagato? How about Pa's water gun? Ma's tongue? Sea of Snakes? I guess you missed the part where Pain casually pushed three summons across the village, rendering them unable to fight. Or the part where he flew in the air and levelled a village. Actually he did more than just level it. Manda is friggin dead. Don't know why people keep bringing him into things. Oro can't summon him anymore. Preta absorbs everything else.

If Sea of Snakes comes into the picture than so does CT. Assuming Sasuke hadn't already used Susano'o and got swamped.

The basic delusional answer: Nagato somehow pulls it out of his ass and ST's everything. Absolute folly. Thats kinda what he does. In case you didn't know about the time when he invaded the leaf. He STd. Roughly 15 times.

Dude you don't understand the base fact that this is 3 on 2, Nagato is in a constant state of blindside with Orochimaru leeching. Sasuke can and would be swamped at any point. Nagato is immobile, Danzo and Orochimaru can casually pace with Sasuke and they both have devastating ranged wind style. Not when Nagato has his summons that constantly multiply when you hurt them If they were ever defeated by something other than ammy, let me kno. I'm actually bein serious.
He CAN use multiple paths at once. Asura stops them. He has his summons linked eyesight to avoid blindsiding.


Last time I checked neither Danzo or Oro are significantly faster than Sasuke. Danzo is, but only when he uses Shisui's body flicker, which is apparently OoC. Danzo's wind releases aren't undodgable. I don't remember any of Oro's wind release.

This is absurd. How is this topic still under debate? Nagato can't even counter a single boss summon with Orochimaru and Danzo blitzing. He ST's Gamabunta, and is sliced in half with wind scythe or pierced by Kusanagi.
It is, isn't it? Neither Danzo,Oro, or Jiraiya, can counter CT. Yet we're still talking Oro and Danzo blitzing? The hell? Didn't Nagato react to RM Naruto and V2 Bee?

By the time that many opponents show up theres no doubt he'll just CT...

I'm tired of writing book responses.
Underworld Swamp = Dead Sasuke.
Danzo/Oro blitz + Boss summons = Dead Nagato.
The end.
Me too brosef. Lets just say Nagato CTs and we'll call it a day.
CT= Dead everyone.
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what is OoC? ._.
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