|08-28-2012, 08:59 PM||#1|
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I Think I Know Who Tobi is
Alright everyone, the debate has been going on for a long time since we were first introduced to Tobi. There are a lot of you who believe Tobi is the following, Madara, Izuna, Setsuna, Obito, Shisui and the list probably goes on and on with other names. People have gone too far and have said Tobi is Rin or Sasuke father. But I am going to go even farther and say someone who is probably unlikely but could also possibly be likely. I will disclose that name in the end of my theory. This is going to be long so bare with me. What I will provide is the following, quotes, chapters and their respective pages, as well as alternative interpertation of what I think is what is really being said.
Let us begin going in order of how these events take place.
1) Chapter 400: This is where we first see the mysterious man with the mask covering all of his face except reveling one of his eyes. At that point in time, we couldn't tell if he had the sharingan or anything, but his skills are the same as Tobi, where his body is transparent. From this small flashback arc is that this mysterious man hates Konoha. (hint 1: Short spiky hair )
2) Chapter 590: This is where Itachi meets Tobi for the first time (or so I believe) this is during the time Itachi went under his secret mission to slaughter the uchiha clan. This is the the dialogue that took place at that time.
Tobi: How did you know about me?
Itachi: You were able to slip through the uchihas defense and even look at the secret stone inside nakano sanctuary. Only the Uchiha know that place. After that I examined your actions and tried to understand who you aare and what your goal is.
Tobi: Then this will be easy, you probably know that i'm an uchiha and i hold a grudge towards the clan and the village.
Itachi: You must follow my conditions ill help you get revenge on the uchiha but you must not lay a hand on the village.
If you go back and read this chapter and then go and read chapter 400 you will see two things that are similar between the man in the mask. In chapter 400 the man who fights minato wears the mask with lines on his mask and has short hair. In chapter 590 he is wearing the same mask as in chapter 400 (about 5-8 years before) but this time with long hair. (Hint 2: The man in chapter 400 is the same man in chapter 590 (flash back))
Chapter 280: This is the first time we meet Tobi. In this chapter to me and probably to a lot of people who saw this would agree that Tobi seemed to act like a kid and could not be older than 30. This is the dialogue.
Tobi: I got it!, I got it zetsu-san, with this, i can become a member of akatsuki too right? There is an opening now.
Zetsu: Idiot its not that simple (black zetsu) we can let him in (white zetsu).
Tobi: Tobi's a good kid... Hey (Hint 3: This tobi has the same hair style as the tobi in chapter 400 just as short but wasnt as long as the man in chapter 590. The other difference is the mask is different. Instead of lines this is a spiral covered mask.)
Chapter 364: The chapters before this is Tobi and Diedara fighting Sasuke in which Tobi apparently died in a big blast. However in this chapter specifically we see a whole different Tobi, a Tobi that is serious, a Tobi whose voice is that of a grown man and not that of a kid or teenager. He has a discussion with Pain and from this chapter we concluded (many of us) that he was not only the leader of Akatsuki but Uchiha Madara here is the dialogue.
Pain: And when they are, everything will be as it should.
Tobi:The Sharingan's true power my power, uchiha madaras power.
(Hint 4: Many have said this is where tobi revealed himself as being madara. I think not. To me he is speaking in 3rd person mode."my power, uchiha madaras power" sound more my power is the power of uchiha madara. To make it simplistic for those who is taking the time to read this. If he really is madara and going on and telling people that he is he should not wear a mask. Furthermore his eye (sharingan eye) is the same eye as obitos eye. Therefore he is not uchiha madara, the sharingan is derived from madara this is what he was trying to be said.)
Chapter 397: This is when Tobi Kidnaps sasuke after sasuke beat itachi
Tobi: at the time I myself was looking for an opportunity for war. I was bitter towards bot hsenju and uchiha. But itachi realized that, he was the only one who'd figured out I was still alive. (Hint 5: This is different from what Itachi showed sasuke in chapter 590 before he disappeared again. Itachi clearly says i was trying to figure out who you are and what your motives were. Itachi clearly does not know who he is. But he has an assumption of who he thinks it could be. The way I see it is Tobi is twisting things around to make himself seem like what he is telling everyone.)
Chapter 404: Tobi reveals who he is to kisame
Tobi to Kisame: You were the last to know, you were the closes to me, so im sorry for deceiving you.
Kisame: well thats interesting, i never would have suspected you were tobi, i'm relieved it'll be easier for me to do my work with you pulling the strings. Mizukage.... I mean Madara.... (Hint 6: We know the 4th mizukage was being controlled by Tobi, but the thing that has always confused me even now is why did kisame call him mizukage? and the thing is which mizukage was he refering too? then he changed it to Madara. I don't understand why he said that unless her recognized who he was but not many people know what madara looks like or no who he is unless they are very informed or lived during that time.)
Chapter 474 page 12: This is when Tobi and Sasuke attack the summit where the hokages are and where danzo is.
Tobi:Long time no see, danzo since the uchiha incident isn't it (Hint 7: If this is true and danzo knows this and knows what tobi involvement was in the uchiha slaughter than danzo should know who tobi is. But this is where it gets interesting in chapter 479 danzo says "Dosen't look like madaras going to join the fight. He refered to him as madara so i assume that danzo believes tobi is madara but there is no proof behind it.)
Chapter 487 pg 4: This is when Naruto, Kakashi and Sakura go and try to get Sasuke this is when Sasuke kills Danzo. Tobi says to Kakashi when kakashi is about to Kamui on tobi "Dont bother kakashi that wont work on me" (Hint 8: Tobi knows Kakashi if it was Madara I doubt he would know the younger generation's names)
Chapter 489/490: This is the chapter when Kabuto revels to Tobi that Tobi is not madara and that he shows him his ace in the hole by revealing his forbidden technique (the ones orochimaru used against the 3rd hokage) in which he showed Tobi the body of Madara. (Hint 9: right here and there told me exactly what i knew Tobi is not Madara. Because tobi is claiming to be something he is not to make everyone fear him. When reality the man is a poor excuse of a ninja. Maybe itatchi was right when he said "madara is a shell of his former self" but again he is claiming to be him or believes what tobi told him. In reality all Tobi has is Kakshis sharingan makes his body transparent and sends people to other dimensons and uses summoning jutsu. As you can tell the madara fighting the kages is in god mode tobi is not that).
Chapter 509: We learn that Tobi was the one who got Yahiko to create Atsuki and that he was the one who gave Nagato the rinnengan. "I am the one who induced yahiko to form akatuski i am the one who gave nagato the rinnegan, so i guess you could say i am here to take it back. (Hint 10: This is something that had me confused for a long time but not anymore. It wouldn't make sense if Tobi gave nagato rinnegan like how rin gave kakashi obito's eye. Another reason for this not being possible is well if you think about it Jiraiya was in a hut when nagato snapped thats when konan called jiriaya to help them. The way i see it by what tobi ment was that he used some type of stimulation or created some type of event to cause nagato to snap. If you go back and read that chapter (the flashback of nagato) you will see that some one attacked yahiko was going to kill him tobi was probably there using that stimulation to see if nagato would have the rinnengan.)
Kakashi: Where did you get that eye
Tobi: Where you say, well it was during the past world war, the fight at the kannabi bridge, that fight where you got to be called the hero with the sharingan.
Tobi:I told you not to open your mouth so easily! You
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|08-28-2012, 09:01 PM||#2|
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Re: I Think I Know Who Tobi is
You’re just words no actions what someone like you says is worth nothing. It’s too late to regret. Reality is just cruelly moving forward. That’s why I’m pursuing the dream of infinite tsukuyomi, I want to build a world where heroes don’t have to make pitiful excuses in front of graves. (Hint 11: This is where I believed that this could be obito but again the age would not coincide with the other chapters presented like chapter 400, and 590 flash backs. But this was hinting to something I started noticing a continuing trend which I will discuss in a little bit.)
There is one more important event I wanna mention which takes place chapter 462 pg 11-15. This is what Tobi says to Kakashi after Tobi wanted to find out how Naruto got Nagato to betray him.
Tobi:The myth was based on real events. The rikudo sage preached the way of the ninja and tried to bring peace to the world. But when it was still but a dream, his time came. He had entrusted two boys with the power and will of the way of the ninja. The elder was born with the sages eyes and was gifted with powerful chakras and spiritual energy. He believed that might was the key to peace. The younger was born with the sages body and was gifted with his life force and physical energy he believed love was the key to peace. On his deathbed the sage had to choose a successor. And this eternal curse of hatred was born from that decision. The sage believed that it was the younger, not the elder who was best-suited to be his successor and chose him. Convinced he should have been chosen the elder could not accept the decision and attacked his brother in hatred. Time passed and though their blood had thinned, the descendants of the two brothers still warred with each other. The descendants of the elder were called uchia. And the descendants of the younger we called senju. My battle with the first hokage, senju hashirama was fated. This is only the second time we’ve met. But I can tell the fire of the senju clan dwells within you. I can see the first hokage in you, though dead, he still lives on. He was my rival and I admired him and hated him more than anyone else. (Hint 12: There is a reason why I mentioned this and that is because there is no one at all who knows so much about the history of the senju and uchiha clans. Other than 5 people I can name, 1st hokage, 2nd hokage, 3rd hokage, madara, and orochimaru. The trend here is that they are all dead (well not really orochimaru) but you get the idea.)
So after reading this lengthy thread let me get to the most important part of who I think is the man behind the mask. As I said before it is probably unlikely but it could very well be possible.
Before I tell you who i think it is, let me mention something important. The person who is Tobi is not an Uchiha. I will tell you why briefly.
1) From what I have seen and read is that the only one who can use the sharingan to it's full potential and properly is by being an uchiha. For example why why does danzo and kakashi cover their one eye? Is becuase they cant revert the sharingan back to a normal eye. It is constantly active. That means Tobi's eye is constantly active. Which means if you use the sharingan to many times you can go blind. If you are an uchiha and you transfer one sharingan eye to another sharingan eye, that eye would not be active. Hence sasuke getting itachi's eyes. Sasuke's sharingan was never activated unless when he wanted to activate it. Tobi's, Kakashi and even danzo's sharingan eye is always activated thus they cover it.
2) Why cover the his face? thats something i can't understand but from what i see is that he covers his face from people who may potentially know who he is, but reveals himself to those he has a feeling wont doubt him. For example a very influenced and emotional sasuke.
3) Hate for the uchiha and the senju ( but as he says to itachi in chapter 590 revenge for konnoha and uchiha he never said revenge for the senju.)
So who do i think is really behind it all? Before I tell you, I would like to give you one more piece of information from chapter 467 pg 17-19 during the kage summit.
Tobi:haha well, do you five kages think you can do any better? Surely you should all have realized by now, there is no such thing as hope. The concept of hope is nothing more than giving up. a word that holds no true meaning. now hand over the remaining hachibi and kyuubi and cooperate with my operation. Otherwise war will be upon us. I may have no power myself…but I have the power of the bijuu I have thus far collected. You have no hope of victory. Very well in that case, I hereby declare the fourth ninja world war.
Who do I think it is. Before I tell you let me give you his bio first "He was the younger brother of Tsunade, and the grandson of Hashirama and Mito. He was also the grandnephew of Tobirama. He shared his dream of becoming hokage with his sister on his twelfth birthday, who gave him their grandfathers necklace in the hopes that he would achieve his ream. The day after his birthday, He died in battle after running into an explosive trap. Orochimaru was with him, implying that orochimaru was his sensi. His body was so heavily mutilated that it was beyond recognition. The necklace was retrieved by orochimaru and returned to devastated tsunade. His personality is very much like naruto. He too held the dream of becoming Hokage and was proud of the title and his grandfather's legacy. As the First's grandson he wanted to earn the title of Hokage and protect the village that his grandfather had founded. He was also described as someone that hated losing and, was an honourable man of justice.
Answer = Nawaki the person who knows the truth is Orochimaru. I say this because there is no one who knows more about uchiha and konoha than nawaki his blood line is directly from the 1st hokage. Orochimaru is mad scientist who took the 1st hokages cells and created yamamoto, hashirama is under the ground giving energy to the zetsu's and spawning thousands of them. If nawaki body was not recognizable, who says he actually died? Who says that he left during the war, gave his necklace to orochimaru used some poor boy as a decoy gave him his clothes and walked away. Nawaki looks jsut like tobi, hair style, he would be the perfect age for the attack that took place when naruto was born. He hates the uchiha because of the history of the senju and uchiha, he hates konoha because in his eyes war never ended. Finally the man reason it could be him, is that Nawaki is the grandson of hashirama he has to have known information about the clans history from books and what not. This is why he wants to create the perfect genjutsu. No war, no nothing. War changes people. War changed Nawaki.
The reason why i said before it might not be possible is hair color. Other than that it's fair game.
What you think.
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