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Old 08-26-2012, 07:41 PM   #1
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Default Itachi vs. Kabuto

Itachi is not an ET, but he is healthy so no disease or blindness.

Scenario 1: Kabuto kills Sasuke and Itachi wants revenge on Kabuto for killing is little brother so basically he's bloodlusted.

Scenario 2: Kabuto is trying to kill Itachi in order to make him an ET pawn.

Scenario 3: Kabuto wants to destroy Konoha while everyone is out partying at the sand village because Naruto became hokage but Itachi is the only one who knows about Kabuto's plan and tries to stop him. He is under the protect Konoha genjutsu.

Kabuto cannot use ET in any of these scenarios, just sage mode.

Battle takes place at Konoha Crater(where Naruto and Pain fought). Kabutos senses are not increased because he isn't where he fought Itachi and Sasuke in the manga.

No prep but Kabuto starts in Sage mode.

Who wins?
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S1: Itachi wins with Amaterasu
S2: Itachi wins with Amaterasu and/or Susanoo blade
S3: Itachi wins with Amaterasu and/or susanoo blad and/or Izanmgi
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Itachi wins all.

Totsuka will lolseal kabuto all day long.
And Itachi has the shield that supposed to guard against everything.

Even without susanoo there is still izanami and amaterasu not to mention itachi has 1337 shuriken/taijutsu skills.
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Itachi stomps Kabuto Itachi was holding back when they were in a cave and remember he and Sasuke were blind because of that light Justu and only could hear and this is an open space so now Itachi can Amaterasu the out of Kabuto without holding anything back
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WHOA WHOA and now that the Itachi fans have arrived and put in their two cents, I will be the logical one to point out that Kabuto was also holding back against Itachi and Sasuke. Not only did he fight blind but he was fighting to capture both Itachi and Sasuke. He didn't try to kill Sasuke, he couldn't kill Itachi, and he was trying to make Itachi an ET pawn again. Now who was holding back?

Kabuto is too fast for Amaterasu and he has Doton to defend against it, on top of that Itachi doesn't have enough stamina to spam Amaterasu like Sasuke so he's got two shots max. Totsuka is the same thing. Kabuto dodged one of Sasuke's arrows nothing Itachi throws with Susano'o is going to hurt him.

Susano'o won't help much against White Rage and Demonic Flute and Kabuto has attacks that go underground like bone forest. Or he could wrap Susano'o's arms up with web until it's immobilized.

Suiton for any of Itachi's fire techniques. Hydrification for any shuriken. And regen. for damage by exploding clones.

Itachi's only hope here is Tsukuyomi.
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Default Re: Itachi vs. Kabuto

Well I'd think Kabuto takes this.

He dodged Susano'o arrows, so he's already hella faster than Danzo and Kakashi.

I don't think Itachi would survive without Susanoo. And eventually He'll run outta chakra.
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Kabuto is too fast for Amaterasu
Says who?
and he has Doton to defend against it
Good luck doing the handseals and waiting for the earth wall to appear before itachi looks at you.
, on top of that Itachi doesn't have enough stamina to spam Amaterasu like Sasuke so he's got two shots max.
Itachi did spray most of the outside of the uchiha hideout with amaterasu.
Totsuka is the same thing. Kabuto dodged one of Sasuke's arrows nothing Itachi throws with Susano'o is going to hurt him.
The same arrow hit him like a chapter later. Besides when all fails there is still izanami.

Susano'o won't help much against White Rage and Demonic Flute and Kabuto has attacks that go underground like bone forest. Or he could wrap Susano'o's arms up with web until it's immobilized.
Susanoo did actually help against white rage he protected sasuke with it. I doubt underground attacks would work against susanoo otherwise kakashi would have finished/captured sasuke. Susanoo has like 4 arms.

Suiton for any of Itachi's fire techniques. Hydrification for any shuriken
Kabuto still get hit by things examples: Susanoos arrow, Sasuke blade(cut his horn off) . Why do people think liquidfication suddenly makes you this kind of tobi? It doesnt otherwise suigetsu would be god tier(and mangetsu would not be dead) and he got pwned by multiple people.

Izanami for anything kabuto can throw at him.

Itachi's only hope here is Tsukuyomi.
And amaterasu,and totsuka,and izanami. Mean while kabuto cant do anything about the yatamirror.
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Well I'd think Kabuto takes this.

He dodged Susano'o arrows, so he's already hella faster than Danzo and Kakashi.
It isnt horribly fast because even kakashi managed to warp it away.

I don't think Itachi would survive without Susanoo. And eventually He'll run outta chakra.
Really one stare and its over for kabuto which is what exactly happened in the manga. Assuming he doesnt get lolsealed or burned with black flames before that happens. Dont even like the uchihax its simply a harsh truth.
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WHOA WHOA and now that the Itachi fans have arrived and put in their two cents, I will be the logical one to point out that Kabuto was also holding back against Itachi and Sasuke. Not only did he fight blind Wasn't a handicap at all for him due to his SM but he was fighting to capture both Itachi and Sasuke. Wasn't fighting to capture Itachi. He could "kill him" and then make him a pawn again when he regenerated. He didn't try to kill Sasuke, he couldn't kill Itachi, and he was trying to make Itachi an ET pawn again. Now who was holding back?

Kabuto is too fast for Amaterasu since when?
and he has Doton to defend against it Doton isn't fast enough to stop Amaterasu unless you're suggesting Kabuto hides underground or in a shelter, on top of that Itachi doesn't have enough stamina to spam Amaterasu like Sasuke so he's got two shots max. Umm what? Totsuka is the same thing. Kabuto dodged one of Sasuke's arrows nothing Itachi throws with Susano'o is going to hurt him.
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@Uchiha Sora: Kabuto's SM precog/threat perception ability had more to do with him dodging the arrow than raw speed.
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Sasuke was outrunning Itachi's Amaterasu until he finally got caught, but Kabuto is faster than both Itachi and Sasuke and can predict where Itachi will aim Amaterasu with his precog.

Kabuto's Doton took one hand movement, not hand seals. Reread the fight. Itachi's Amaterasu isn't even that fast. When Itachi was about to use it, Nagato had time to warn Bee and Naruto, he said "This pressure in the atmosphere, he's going to use Amaterasu!" or something to that effect.

Kakashi didn't have the time to attack Sasuke, their fight barely lasted five minutes, and by the time Sasuke activated Susano'o Kakashi was on the water under the bridge.

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Why do people think liquidfication suddenly makes you this kind of tobi? It doesnt otherwise suigetsu would be god tier(and mangetsu would not be dead) and he got pwned by multiple people.
No one thinks that, you just followed some horrible logic. Hydrification just makes it hard to die by physical means. Suigetsu tanked a full powered bijuudama, one of the most devastating moves in the show. In a way that is a Tobi like feat, but unlike Tobi who teleported away from the battle into a separate dimension, Suigetsu's physical body remains. Physical means aren't the only way to beat someone with hydrification Mangetsu could've been killed by fuinjutsu, psychological trauma from genjutsu, getting hit after being exposed to excess electricity whick makes it impossible for him to liquify properly, or physical exhaustion. Hydrification is a ninja technique therefore it requires chakra and as we saw from Suigetsu a constant intake of water. I doubt Mangetsu or Suigetsu could go long periods of time without water and I'd bet the technique ends when they run out of chakra.

Izanami takes prep, I already addressed the other things.


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Fighting blind is always a handicap even with Sage Mode and sensing abilities limiting any one sense limits overall ability. SM compensated it didn't improve. By "kill him" I mean Itachi couldn't die unless you think Itachi would've survived getting multiple stalagmites through the chest or getting cut in half. On top of that Itachi's main weakness with or without illness is his stamina and Edo Tensei removed that problem. That's a power up.

I guess no one likes Demonic Flute because everyone thinks it's too cheap or something, but unless a character already has countermeasures against genjutsu built in (e.g. Jiraiya, Bee, Naruto), are fast enough to catch him (A, Minato, Gai), or have large AoE attacks that can be used relatively quickly (Nagato, Hashirama, Muu) Kabuto can defeat most opponents with that ability.
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Itachi STOMPS

I mean they were holding back. They only used Amaterasu as a counterattack agaisnt Kabuto.
1- to destroy the webs
2- Saskue used it to stop Kabuto from getting to close

How does Kabuto overcome
- Amaterasu spam
- Susanoo
- Susanoo shiled/sword

The only threat is Kabuto using genjutsu ... but Itachi could break out of it with pain
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Kabuto using genjutsu would take a lil time and Kabuto would stand still which is a PERFECT target for Amaterasu
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Sasuke was outrunning Itachi's Amaterasu until he finally got caught,
Itachi was purposefully trying not to kill Sasuke-Sasuke couldn't outrun Ammy.

but Kabuto is faster than both Itachi and Sasuke and can predict where Itachi will aim Amaterasu with his precog. Is that proven?

Kabuto's Doton took one hand movement, not hand seals. Reread the fight. Itachi's Amaterasu isn't even that fast.
No way is Kabuto's Doton faster than Amaterasu.
When Itachi was about to use it, Nagato had time to warn Bee and Naruto, he said "This pressure in the atmosphere, he's going to use Amaterasu!" or something to that effect. Only he didn't use Amaterasu...

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Fighting blind is always a handicap even with Sage Mode and sensing abilities limiting any one sense limits overall ability.
In the environment Kabuto was in it wasn't a handicap because he could sense everything-there were stalagtites and stalagmites everywhere but he never ran into any of them due to SM and his familiarity with the area. This is pointless for this fight anyway-Kabuto would have to fight him blind here as well if he didn't want to get hit by Genjutsu.

On top of that Itachi's main weakness with or without illness is his stamina and Edo Tensei removed that problem. That's a power up.
I assumed that Itachi would be healthy in these battles-no stamina problems there. Even if he's unhealthy, he was on the verge of death in his fight against Sasuke (taking drugs to prolong his life) and he used a ton of jutsu in that fight.

I guess no one likes Demonic Flute because everyone thinks it's too cheap or something, but unless a character already has countermeasures against genjutsu built in (e.g. Jiraiya, Bee, Naruto), are fast enough to catch him (A, Minato, Gai), or have large AoE attacks that can be used relatively quickly (Nagato, Hashirama, Muu) Kabuto can defeat most opponents with that ability.
Good luck having time to stand still and play the melody before being incinerated by Amaterasu.
In bold.
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Ay is the only one (That I can recall this late) that was able to dodge Amaterasu

No way Kabuto is on that speed level now
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Itachi STOMPS

I mean they were holding back. They only used Amaterasu as a counterattack agaisnt Kabuto.
1- to destroy the webs
2- Saskue used it to stop Kabuto from getting to close

How does Kabuto overcome
- Amaterasu spam
- Susanoo
- Susanoo shiled/sword

The only threat is Kabuto using genjutsu ... but Itachi could break out of it with pain
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Kabuto using genjutsu would take a lil time and Kabuto would stand still which is a PERFECT target for Amaterasu
Ah nice of you to join the thread without reading any of the posts before yours. It's always fun restarting a debate that went on 10 posts before you came back into the thread.


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1.) Itachi was trying to push Sasuke to his absolute limit. He wasn't holding back at all, if he was why would he actually hit Sasuke with it? Sasuke outran it for a brief period and then the flames caught up with him. If Itachi wanted to miss he wouldn't have hit him at all. The only thing that suffered that fight because of his disease was Tsukuyomi, Itachi had no problem using his other abilities.

2.) No it's not proven, it's common sense. Precog. is danger recognition and avoidance.

3.) Doton is one hand movement, it requires no seals, just saying that Kabuto's Doton isn't faster because you don't want it to be doesn't make it the case.

4.) Actually he did use Amaterasu, he just directed it towards the dog after being put under the genjutsu. Doesn't change the fact that Nagato had time to warn them that the atmosphere was heating up.

5.) Regardless of his health Itachi doesn't have a large chakra pool. This has been stated and demonstrated. Back in part 1 before we even knew he had a sickness, he got tired after using Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu.


Sigh this thread is going to resort to a debate on whether or not Kabuto can dodge Amaterasu

Let me just make this simple and give my biggest points here.

For the main argument. Itachi has no counter against Demonic Flute. The only counters I'm going to hear to this are an argument about Itachi's speed with his techniques when Kabuto's clearly demonstrated he can perform his moves faster. Just to bust some myths about Demonic Flute before I have to read them: it doesn't require prep time and he doesn't have to stand still (Tayuya was playing the flute while casually dodging kunai I don't even know why people believe that Kabuto standing still is a legitimate point).

For the counterargument to Itachi supporters, Kabuto is faster than Itachi and he has precog. which allowed him to react to and evade Sasuke's arrows (Sasuke's fastest attack). On top of that Itachi has been shown to need focus to use Amaterasu and has been stated to be less proficient with the technique than his younger brother. Moreover, Itachi lacks the stamina to spam that move like Sasuke can.
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1.) Itachi was trying to push Sasuke to his absolute limit. He wasn't holding back at all, if he was why would he actually hit Sasuke with it? Sasuke outran it for a brief period and then the flames caught up with him. If Itachi wanted to miss he wouldn't have hit him at all. The only thing that suffered that fight because of his disease was Tsukuyomi, Itachi had no problem using his other abilities.
Itachi could've used Ammy to his face and not his legs which Sasuke couldn't have recovered from-he was trying purposefully not to hit Sasuke in a lethal area-only a place where Sasuke would be forced to use the chakra taxing Substitution Justu to get out of it. What are you basing your statement on that only Tsukuyomi was affected? He started coughing up blood and was having trouble maintaining Susano'o.

2.) No it's not proven, it's common sense. Precog. is danger recognition and avoidance.
I'm not convinced that SM "precog" could sense Ammy, because it materializes at the spot the user is looking at. (Although Gaara's sand was able to block it-so maybe) Even if it could Kabuto would have to be fast enough to dodge it-which he isn't. Only someone who can move faster than the eye can follow could dodge it-Raikage, Naruto, Minato and Gai in gates would be the only ones I would give this feat to.

3.) Doton is one hand movement, it requires no seals, just saying that Kabuto's Doton isn't faster because you don't want it to be doesn't make it the case.
Please-he needs to materialize Jirobo first, then hit the ground, and then wait for the earth to rise and protect him-no way is that faster than Ammy.

4.) Actually he did use Amaterasu, he just directed it towards the dog after being put under the genjutsu. Doesn't change the fact that Nagato had time to warn them that the atmosphere was heating up.
No. Itachi had some kind of connection with his crow and the crow cast Koto on him. Nagato even said, "So it wasn't Amaterasu?" Itachi then said a few things and then used Amaterasu on the dog.

5.) Regardless of his health Itachi doesn't have a large chakra pool. This has been stated and demonstrated. When?
Back in part 1 before we even knew he had a sickness, he got tired after using Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu.
He had the sickness in Part 1 as well-it was a chronic disease-not something he picked up somewhere.

Sigh this thread is going to resort to a debate on whether or not Kabuto can dodge Amaterasu
Not really, Ammy is just the quickest way to defeat Kabuto-he can use Izanami and stall with Susano'o until he gets Kabuto in the right position again.

Let me just make this simple and give my biggest points here.

For the main argument. Itachi has no counter against Demonic Flute. The only counters I'm going to hear to this are an argument about Itachi's speed with his techniques when Kabuto's clearly demonstrated he can perform his moves faster. Just to bust some myths about Demonic Flute before I have to read them: it doesn't require prep time and he doesn't have to stand still (Tayuya was playing the flute while casually dodging kunai I don't even know why people believe that Kabuto standing still is a legitimate point).
Tayuya is likely more skilled at playing the flute than Kabuto since it's her original technique and pretty much the only technique she uses. The Demonic Flute also takes time to make the flute and then play the melody-time Kabuto doesn't have if Itachi uses Ammy. I know you're just going to say that Kabuto will just dodge it but even if he does it will break up the melody. Another counter for this is a large fireball-Kabuto will have to counter with a Suiton which he uses his mouth for.

For the counterargument to Itachi supporters, Kabuto is faster than Itachi and he has precog. which allowed him to react to and evade Sasuke's arrows (Sasuke's fastest attack).
Sasuke's fastest attack after Ammy.
On top of that Itachi has been shown to need focus to use Amaterasu and has been stated to be less proficient with the technique than his younger brother.
By C, who doesn't know Itachi at all and was only referring to the fact that Sasuke could control the flames with shape manipulation.
Moreover, Itachi lacks the stamina to spam that move like Sasuke can.
Not when he's healthy. Also doesn't need to spam if it hits Kabuto the first time.
In bold.
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If Kabuto gets hit with ammy he sheds his skin. He CAN do that, correct?

But his precog should already help him with that.

Either way, Itachi is left exhausted or fatigued after using it.
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Godaime already adressed most but ill give my 2 cents.
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No one thinks that, you just followed some horrible logic. Hydrification just makes it hard to die by physical means. Suigetsu tanked a full powered bijuudama, one of the most devastating moves in the show.
Wow wow wow. Tanked? Suigetsu was reduced to jelly by it and couldnt continue to fight. That is in no way tanking anything.(plus he was aided by a HUGE watermass which he normally doesnt have.)

I guess no one likes Demonic Flute because everyone thinks it's too cheap or something, but unless a character already has countermeasures against genjutsu built in (e.g. Jiraiya, Bee, Naruto), are fast enough to catch him (A, Minato, Gai), or have large AoE attacks that can be used relatively quickly (Nagato, Hashirama, Muu) Kabuto can defeat most opponents with that ability.

The problem here is that demonic flute takes multiple actions(jutsu) to use for kabuto(making the sakon clones converting it multiple times etc). While itachis amaterasu only takes 1 actions which is looking at you.
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1.) Itachi was trying to push Sasuke to his absolute limit. He wasn't holding back at all, if he was why would he actually hit Sasuke with it? Sasuke outran it for a brief period and then the flames caught up with him. If Itachi wanted to miss he wouldn't have hit him at all. The only thing that suffered that fight because of his disease was Tsukuyomi, Itachi had no problem using his other abilities.

Since when do diseases like itachis hamper specific abilities. If itachi was not holding back he would have gone susanoo, totsuka, lolseal GG sauce.

2.) No it's not proven, it's common sense. Precog. is danger recognition and avoidance.

No precog its only danger recognition. Precog basicly suffers from sharinghax syndrom. Your still going to get hit if your body cant keep up with your senses.

3.) Doton is one hand movement, it requires no seals, just saying that Kabuto's Doton isn't faster because you don't want it to be doesn't make it the case.
Amaterasu is 0 handmovements.

5.) Regardless of his health Itachi doesn't have a large chakra pool. This has been stated and demonstrated. Back in part 1 before we even knew he had a sickness, he got tired after using Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu.
Characters like itachi seems to have small chakra pools compared to mosters like Naruto, Nagato, Killerbee, Kisame etc but he is still well above the avarage ninja. And he used both in his fight with sasuke and used susanoo and fire jutsu on top of it. Near death he fought his plot armored bro, and a sannin and basicly kicked both their asses. That isnt low stamina in my book.

For the main argument. Itachi has no counter against Demonic Flute. The only counters I'm going to hear to this are an argument about Itachi's speed with his techniques when Kabuto's clearly demonstrated he can perform his moves faster.

What matters here is the amount of actions which is near 0 for itachi(looking) and about 3 for kabuto: Making the sakon clone, Switch to kimi for bone flute, Switch to tayuya for genjutsu. Itachi will be easily able to amaterasu kabuto before he gets the demonic flute out.

Just to bust some myths about Demonic Flute before I have to read them: it doesn't require prep time.

It does take longer then your regular genjutsu because of the whole sequence he has to go through.

For the counterargument to Itachi supporters, Kabuto is faster than Itachi and he has precog. which allowed him to react to and evade Sasuke's arrows (Sasuke's fastest attack). On top of that Itachi has been shown to need focus to use Amaterasu and has been stated to be less proficient with the technique than his younger brother. Moreover, Itachi lacks the stamina to spam that move like Sasuke can.

Small Correction: Sasukes ArroW. He got hit by an arrow after that. Note that everytime kabuto dodges something he brags about his sensing skills not his speed.
Sauce has been noted to be more talented with his ammy because he could manipulate its shape something which itachi could not. Never read about any other differences.(correct me if i am wrong)


Where does the whole itachi lacks stamina come from? the dude used the most powerfull and chakra consuming techniques in his arsenal against sasuke while already dying. I think he even had a clash with naruto before that. How is that low stamina.

Sasuke didnt even have the stamina to spam even with karins and tobi help and healing he still went blind in the second fight he used his new sharinghax. (Since when did sasuke turn into this stamina monster?)
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If Kabuto gets hit with ammy he sheds his skin. He CAN do that, correct?
But his precog should already help him with that.
Either way, Itachi is left exhausted or fatigued after using it.
After just one amaterasu?
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This debate can be solved very simply: Sasuke's fastest technique is his Susano'o arrows, Kabuto dodged them...case closed. If Amaterasu were really that fast he would've used it on Kakashi and Danzo, Sasuke knows that the arrows require less concentration and are faster. Sasuke was outrunning Itachi's Amaterasu for a brief period and he didn't get hit on the legs he got his wing burned off meaning Amaterasu was aimed for his entire body. Saying that you have to be as fast as A to dodge it is absurd. What A was doing is overkill, all you need to do is be able to move faster than the user can concentrate on a spot to use the technique. Kabuto has demonstrated the speed to do that. Gaara was able to predict where Sasuke was going to use the technique as well. And as Uchiha Sora pointed out that entire debate is meaningless if Kabuto just sheds.

As for Demonic Flute, you guys are pretending like the speed of Kabuto's actions is the same as the speed of Itachi's. If he were really that slow he wouldn't have been able to get the technique off in the first place. The fact is that Kabuto was able to use Doton and Bone Forest before Itachi and Sasuke took any countermeasures. He was also able to use Bone Flute before Itachi was able to do anything. BECAUSE HE'S FASTER. The actions of making Tayuya appear don't take long.

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In Part 1 Itachi was tired after using Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu in close proximity to one another. His stamina is bad. Yes compared to the average shinobi his chakra reserves are huge but compared to the average shinobi even PTS Kakashi had a lot of chakra. We're talking about high level combat in these threads. He didn't "clash" with Naruto, he hit Naruto with his basic genjutsu then said he wasn't going to fight and they talked. He used his most powerful techniques against Sasuke after taking pills to prolong his life, he was basically going on will power, that's not stamina that's suicide.
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This debate can be solved very simply: Sasuke's fastest technique is his Susano'o arrows, Kabuto dodged them...case closed.

*Dodged It. He could not dodge it multiple times.

If Amaterasu were really that fast he would've used it on Kakashi and Danzo, Sasuke knows that the arrows require less concentration and are faster.

Sasuke was half dead, mentally instable, exhausted and nearly blind.
He was not exactly his usual calm and collected self.


Sasuke was outrunning Itachi's Amaterasu for a brief period and he didn't get hit on the legs he got his wing burned off meaning Amaterasu was aimed for his entire body.

If itachi wanted to hit him with amaterasu he would have done so while he was stuck in tsukuyomi.

Saying that you have to be as fast as A to dodge it is absurd. What A was doing is overkill, all you need to do is be able to move faster than the user can concentrate on a spot to use the technique. Kabuto has demonstrated the speed to do that.

Gaara was able to predict where Sasuke was going to use the technique as well. And as Uchiha Sora pointed out that entire debate is meaningless if Kabuto just sheds.

Gaaras has absolute defense which moves indepedantly from his will and senses. Shedding is overrated as soon as he tries it he gets totsuka'd or izanami'd

As for Demonic Flute, you guys are pretending like the speed of Kabuto's actions is the same as the speed of Itachi's. If he were really that slow he wouldn't have been able to get the technique off in the first place. The fact is that Kabuto was able to use Doton and Bone Forest before Itachi and Sasuke took any countermeasures. He was also able to use Bone Flute before Itachi was able to do anything. BECAUSE HE'S FASTER. The actions of making Tayuya appear don't take long.
You do know that itachi is known for his speed of handseals/shuriken throwing. Not to mention he doesnt have to make any seals for this one.
Please do not tell that looking somewhere takes longer then the whole chain kabuto does. Also you know all of them werent going for the kill in that fight.


In Part 1 Itachi was tired after using Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu in close proximity to one another.

Part 1. See pts and kakashi now. Its the same for itachi.
He used both in his fight with sasuke and he was still fine.


His stamina is bad. Yes compared to the average shinobi his chakra reserves are huge but compared to the average shinobi even PTS Kakashi had a lot of chakra. We're talking about high level combat in these threads. He didn't "clash" with Naruto, he hit Naruto with his basic genjutsu then said he wasn't going to fight and they talked. He used his most powerful techniques against Sasuke after taking pills to prolong his life, he was basically going on will power, that's not stamina that's suicide.
Using all your most powerfull techniques right before you die still sounds like stamina to me.
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this fight is dumb unless you restrict Izanami itachi wins every scenerio easily
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even aside from this he has an impenetrable defence plus ammy and those susanoo throwing stars
from what we've seen kabuto is slightly faster but itachi is able to keep up completely there's no way kabuto can win this
BTW ammy is sasuke's fastest tech. but it is a completely different skill than susanoo whch is why when he is in susanoo generally he uses susanoo arrows
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Izanagi takes prep in which time Itachi loses.

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1.) He dodges it once when the fight begins and dodges it again and barely gets knicked on the tail and that was during a combo attack from both brothers.

2.) Sasuke is dying and weak so he decides to materialize Susano'o (the most taxing MS technique of all) and fire an arrow, yeah I really doubt that. The more likely conclusion is that the arrow is faster than concentrating on a spot for Amaterasu

3.) Itachi had to focus on Tsukuyomi as well he can't perform other moves while Sasuke's inside of it because he's inside of it too, manipulating the dimension.

4.) The shedding takes virtually no time at all, yet you say he gets Izanami'd -______- Really? That obviously worked when Kabuto shed so quickly he was able to blitz Itachi and cut him in half. Susano'o really came in handy there

5.) This will be my last time entertaining the Itachi stamina debate with you. PTS Itachi is the one without health problems and that is who was mentioned in this thread. I already told you that the Itachi who fought Sasuke was using drugs to prolong his life, he was basically fighting on will power. That is NOT stamina that is resolve. He was going to die but he kept pushing until the very end. If you need an example distinguishing the two Jiraiya is someone with a lot of stamina AND a lot of will power. He demonstrates separate feats for each. For his stamina he is stated to have a powerful body with large chakra reserves (which is why he could learn Sage Mode) and has demonstrated things like summoning Gama with his chakra still impaired by Tsunade's drug. For his will power he forced himself back to life after getting his throat crushed and wrote the message on Fukusaku's back.
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