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Old 08-01-2012, 12:11 PM   #41
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:39 PM   #42
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Well you and some of these other pairing otakus make it seem as if the pool of females in the naruto world is limited only to named characters that have been introduced while you forget(because there's little to no attention placed on them) that there are many non-shinobi civilians in each village as well as many un-named shinobi in each villiage. Any of which at any time kishi could name and make into a love interest for any reason he deems.

For an example scenario:

After the war naruto is sitting in ichiraku. Alone. Eating ramen.

A before now never seen civillian girl sits next to him. They say hello and start up a conversation about something mundane like what type of ramen the other likes best or something. Soon this becomes somewhat of a regular ocurrence with them running into each other in daily life and leads to a friendship which blossoms into a relationship. And then before you know it they're mister and misses 7th hokage

Now I'm not saying this will absolutely happen but its a possible scenario and you can't gaurentee hinata will ever mount the courage to ask him out or if she does that he will say yes and the same goes for sakura
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Old 08-01-2012, 07:31 PM   #43
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I am just saying that NaruSaku is MOST likely going to happen. I hope it happens but who knows beside Kishi

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I am just saying that NaruSaku is MOST likely going to happen. I hope it happens but who knows beside Kishi

IF YOU LOVE NARUHINA JOIN MY CLUB IN THE MAKE-OUT PARADISE SECTION
- All I see from Naruhina is one-sided love.

- Sasusaku is more of a cliche than Narusaku. Girl chasing for lost "loved one" and finally ending up with him in the end.

Besides that, I think I agree with the people that say naruto won't have romantic ending, I also have a feeling there won't be a pairing at the end.
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I am just talking most likely

Also have you guys even read Chap 559?
That chapter proves that Naruto likes Hinata and it is not one sided
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Hinata loved Naruto since the very beginning
And? Naruto wasn't aware of it, so it she might as well have thought of him like everyone else did for all the actual difference it made to Naruto - while Hinata was silently acknowledging him and drawing strength from watching him struggling from afar, Naruto was in the hell of loneliness (his own words) until Iruka and Team 7.
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She is insipired by him and Never thought less of him
So? I've lost count of how many characters have been inspired by Naruto, Sakura included.

Hinata may never have thought less of Naruto for anything, but she's shown less faith in him than others have - she was expecting Naruto to fail just like everyone else (sans Kakashi & Sakura) during his fight w/ Kiba, and she was the only one to think he was down after being kicked by Tobi.
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Hinata yearned to be on Naruto's Team
Pretty sure this was filler from the first episode. And even if it wasn't, it doesn't mean anything - Ino wanted to be on Sasuke's team too - doesn't mean that SasuIno is a good couple.
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Out of ALL of the konoha ninja that faced another leaf ninja that was not on Naruto's team Hinata was the ONLY one Naruto cheered on to the best of his ability . Naruto barely knew her but she still cheered her on he did not do this for shino,tenten, nor choji e.t.c.
Hinata didn't cheer for Naruto because she didn't want Kiba to get mad at her, and she didn't cheer for him during his fight with Neji either (though maybe that was because she was injured). Sakura was the one cheering loudly for Naruto both times.

Naruto cheered for Hinata because Neji pissed Naruto off.

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Even though Naruto beat Hinata's teammate she still gave medicine to Naruto
And Sakura healed Naruto despite the fact that it was aggravating an injury that Naruto himself gave her. She didn't blame Naruto or fear him afterwards because of that. She was only thinking about how she wasn't doing enough for Naruto.

Seems a bit more significant than Hinata's offering of medicine for Naruto beating her team mate when she wanted Naruto to win in the first place.
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HInata also helped SAVE THE LEAF VILLAGE. Thats righ!!! If she did not give encouragement for Naruto to beat Neji Naruto would have LOST. If Naruto lost then he would be too damaged to help beat Garra. Hinata supported Naruto instead of her family.
Hinata didn't save anything.

Naruto never once thought of Hinata's proud failure speech during her fight with Neji - even if she had never cheered him up, his anger at Neji and recalling Lee and Hinata's fights against Neji would have motivated him enough to win.

Even if he didn't win, it would be completely out of character for him to fall apart. We've already seen that failure makes Naruto upset briefly, and then makes him try harder the next time (just like when Sasuke saved Naruto and called him a scaredy cat).

Hinata had absolutely nothing to do with Naruto's fight against Gaara - it was Sakura in danger, and Sasuke's words about protecting precious people that motivated Naruto to be able to win against him.

I don't recall Hinata choosing Naruto over her family, but Hinata focusing on Naruto to the extent of neglecting her family (her other precious people) just reflects incredibly poorly on Hinata's character and makes her love for Naruto look incredibly self-centered.

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and lets not forget Hinata risked her life against Pain. She knew full well that she would lose but risked her life anyway. THATS LOVE AND THAT IS MORE THAN ANYTHING SAKURA DID FOR HIM.
No, that's selfish, just like Hinata herself said. She knew that she stood no chance against Pein, but she made zero effort to try and free Naruto from the rods. So to the best of Hinata's knowledge, she would possibly delay Naruto being taken away for a minute or two, and then Naruto will be taken away anyway (b/c the only other person who knows the trouble Naruto is in is her bodyguard w/ a broken leg) while he's in worse emotional pain than before from seeing her "die" in front of him.

Meanwhile, Sakura has been the most consistent presence at Naruto's side since late part one, going through good and bad times with him. She tells Naruto that she is still there, that they will get stronger together, that he is not alone in his pain - not with Sasuke, and not with his Jinchuuriki issues. Naruto tells Sakura how happy this makes him in chapter 343.

Sakura was willing to give up the person she canonically loves for Naruto's sake. In the alternative, she was willing to have Naruto hate her in order to protect him and ease his burdens.

THAT, that selfless dedication to another person regardless of the hurt it causes you, is love. Acting solely for the benefit and happiness of the other person, not thinking about your own feelings in the matter.

Hinata is all about her own feelings for Naruto, not Naruto's feelings. When was the last time Hinata actually thought about Naruto's feelings?
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And even during the war Naruto meets Hinata and this time he gives her advice and confidence to keep up the great work.
Which isn't romantic at all - Naruto treated her like a decent friend would. He's done that for a whole slew of characters.
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just look at Minatox Kushina.
Kushina was hot headed...like naruto
Minato was a quiet kid.... like hinata
ITS A MATCH
Are you seriously trying to parallel MinaKushi with NaruHina? Wow...

Minato was CONFIDENT and believed in himself (he wouldn't have declared his intent to become a respectable Hokage in front of the classroom otherwise, or hold Kushina in his arms after rescuing her so calmly) - he was just polite, and calm. Hinata is nothing like Minato.

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Plus Kushina told baby Naruto DO NOT fall for the first girl you see... SAKURA
Nice try, but no. The translation is either "Don't fall for a strange one" (Hinata, as Naruto called her weird at her introduction) or "Don't fall for the first girl that comes your way" - still Hinata, because she was the first to come Naruto's way romantically (i.e. she was the first girl to confess her love to him).

Plus, you're conveniently ignoring Kushina's next words, which were "find a girl like me" - even you didn't try comparing Kushina to Hinata, because aside from being kidnapped by Cloud once, they have absolutely nothing in common, whereas she certainly shares a few personality traits with Sakura.
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Sakura caused Naruto TOO much Physical and Emotional pain.
Sakura abuses Naruto by:
Riducling or Smacking him whenever he "displeases" her
She hits Naruto when he's behaving like an idiot, when he's being rude (like to Tsunade), when he's being perverted, or when he's being reckless and endangering himself.

When has Naruto EVER shown that he cares about her hitting him? The answer is never, because its not a big deal.

I guess you must think Kushina abuses Naruto too, because she also hit him.
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Made Naruto carry the burden of bringing Saskue back
ALWAYS depends on Naruto to do stuff
You need to reread the manga.

Sakura was the first, and one of the only people, to directly offer to help Naruto bring back Sasuke the next time (in chapter 236). Not because she was assigned a mission to bring him back, but because she wanted to help Naruto.

Sakura trained her butt off over the time skip and improved tremendously in order to help Naruto like she said.

Sakura offered to get back Sasuke for Naruto when he was in his KN4 mode, and her desire to help Naruto is clear from her words when she's healing him. She just doesn't know what more she can do to help.

Sakura attacked Sasuke when Naruto was down, and she tried to kill Sasuke on her own to take the burden off of Naruto's shoulders at the summit.

Sakura is an emotional support to Naruto in the quest to get back Sasuke (defending his feelings for Sasuke against both Sai and Sasuke himself) and telling Naruto that she is still there for him.

What more could Sakura have possibly done with the abilities and knowledge that she had at those times?
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Sakura knew Naruto was fighting Pain and she did nothing. WHILE Hinata ditched her bodyguard. Some say Sakura was healing people BUT SHE WAS NOT she was just haning around.
Sakura had no clue that Naruto was in trouble - as far as she knew, Naruto was handling himself just fine as he was at the beginning of the battle. When she saw that he transformed into 6 tails, she took immediate action to evacuate the villagers so Naruto wouldn't hurt them and feel horribly guilty afterwards, and to try and find Yamato - the only person she knew could actually help Naruto in that state.

Plus she saved Hinata's life.

Sakura, along with Minato, cleaned up the mess Hinata made, and is the reason Naruto was able to be so relieved in the first place after he turned back to normal.
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PLUS Naruto said himself he will not go out with Sakura if he can not bring Saskue back to the village
No, he said he couldn't tell Sakura how he feels until he fulfills the POAL - i.e. saves Sasuke.

You honestly think that Naruto isn't going to save Sasuke?
You honestly think that Naruto is going to go out with Hinata before resolving his feelings for Sakura?
You honestly think Naruto isn't going to get the chance to tell Sakura how he feels, when Sakura and Hinata got their chance to express how they felt to their respective love interests?
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Sakura still LOVES Saskue SHE COULD NOT EVEN KILL SASKUE Even when Saskue tried to kill Sakura.
And Sasuke has not shown an iota of romantic interest in her. It takes two to make a canon relationship.

Not only that, but we saw the huge negative change in Sakura's mental image of Sasuke - she still loves him, but 540 could definitely be the set up for Sakura reevaluating her feelings and getting over them. She has the most reason out of everyone to get over Sasuke and move on from her romantic feelings for him.

Plus, Sakura is the only one to show something beyond friendship for Naruto. Naruto has shown nothing beyond friendship for Hinata, and Sasuke has never shown anything beyond friendship for Sakura.
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NOT ONLY did Hinata say She loved him first Sakura knew she did and she STILL told Naruto she loved him... Not only is that against gurl code but Sakura did not even mean it when she said "I love you" Even Naruto knew it was not true.
Because Naruto doesn't love Hinata. Naruto loves Sakura.

Naruto turned Sakura down because she was lying to herself. Doesn't mean that her feelings can't change. SOMEONE's feelings need to change in order for any of these pairings to become canon, and Sakura is the most likely to do so because she has shown the most towards Naruto beyond friendship, and she is the one with the most negative view of her canonic love interest.
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When Naruto's clones saved both Sakura and hinata He talked to both in a different tone

Naruto talking to Sakura: Are you hurt sakura?You do not seam hurt... Wow Naruto really cares

Naruto talking to Hinata: Sorry I am late Hinata
Wow Hinata you are soo strong
Everything is all right now
Naruto talked to Hinata longer and you can tell how much he likes and is worried about Hinata.
Naruto was going to leave after asking her if she was alright, just like with Sakura. The only difference was him thanking her for saving him earlier, which again, isn't romantic, and was something outstanding between them. It was only because Kiba and Neji started questioning him that he stayed to talk longer.

He treated Hinata like a friend, nothing more. There was nothing romantic there from his side - no blushing, no softened smile (like the one Naruto gave Sakura in 246 during the second bell test) - just a generic grin tossed over his shoulder at her, trying to cheer her up.
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(INSTANT CONNECTION) Hinata knew that he was the REAL Naruto and Naruto knew that Hinata was down in the dumps so he encouraged her. They both understood each other JUST FROM THEIR EYES... have Sakura and Naruto ever have that kind of spark?? NO
I didn't see Sakura having any doubt that it was Naruto either.

Gee, when have Naruto and Sakura ever known how the other was feeling just by looking at them? Try chapter 451, when they're talking to Tazuna. Try when they were in the hospital talking to Kakashi about the first failed mission to bring back Sasuke. Try the mission to sand when they learned from Chiyo about bijuus and the fate of Jinchuurikis - Sakura just had to look at Naruto to understand how upset he was feeling about the whole thing.

After Chiyo died, Naruto and Sakura stayed behind together at her grave aside from everyone else, being silent support to one another.

Sakura explained to Sai how Naruto feels about Sasuke, without Naruto ever telling her that he considers Sasuke a brother (and it must not have been obvious, given Sasuke's surprise when Naruto told him such at VOTE).
And that's just what I recall off the top of my head.
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Sakura has not been very useful to Naruto.
See the rest of my post above. Sakura has done leaps and bounds more for Naruto than Hinata has over the course of the whole manga. She saved him from the hell of loneliness, and sticks by his side giving him emotional support. She makes Naruto happy.
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Overall Naruhina in the RIGHT CHOICE any debaters care to prove me wrong??
Hinata is the wrong choice - Naruto doesn't love her, Hinata is more focused on her own feelings for Naruto than Naruto's feelings, and she hasn't been there for Naruto nearly as much as Sakura has.
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I'm not some crazy shipper or anything but I do think naruhina is more likely

In addition to your above points(tho overzealous) I would say that hiashi even now in the manga may be formulating a plan to put naruto with hinata even if he's oblivious to her feelings for naruto considering:

-he's a national hero

-he's on track to succeed tsunade as hokage

-he's achieved the aliegence of all the tailed beasts particuarly the kyubbi. Granted its unlikely hiashi knows of this but once the war finishes he may well hear about it

Honestly hiashi probably will overlook naruto being an outsider in favor of the socio-political benefits naruto marrying hinata would bring him and the clan as a whole.

Hiashi is probably already planning an arranged marriage between the two or at least it wouldn't be surprising. Hinata wholeheartedly going along with such a plan would just be the cherry on top by the time the war is over in hiashi's eyes
What some minor tertiary character that is barely in the story wants is completely irrelevant.

What does Naruto want? Sakura. She was the one he was in love with the last time his romantic feelings were brought up AFTER Hinata's confession, and despite arguing with her, he came to understand that she did what she did with his best interests at heart. He hasn't treated her any differently since then - he is still protective of her, he is still affectionate towards her, and she is still the only girl that he addresses with the '-chan' suffix.
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NaruHina is the pairing I ship and also the most likely to happen. Most NaruSaku debaters point to "development" being the reason that NaruSaku will happen and NaruHina won't, but ever since Hinata's confession all of the development in the manga has been pointing towards NaruHina. I'll go into more detail if anyone actually wants to debate it.
First of all, most NaruSaku shippers I'm familiar with refer to all of NaruSaku's development with that argument. Naruto and Sakura's relationship is the most focused on hetero relationship in the entire series overall, and it has the most development overall as well out of all the Big 3 pairings.

Secondly, Let's look at what happened since Hinata's confession:
  • Sakura is shown bothered by the realization that Hinata is in love with Naruto
  • Naruto cries in relief upon learning that Hinata and the villagers are alright
  • Naruto is hugged by Sakura in front of the entire village, the group right behind them stunned and blushing, and one little girl making the classic "how romantic pose" while Hinata looks on with dots in her speech bubble
  • Naruto and Sakura find out about Sasuke's situation
  • Sai has a flashback where he asks if Naruto loves Sakura, and he confirms indirectly while giving the readers a reason for why he hasn't been actively pursuing Sakura or told her how he feels yet
  • Sai tells Sakura that Naruto loves her
  • Sakura's flashbacks affirm for her that Naruto is in love with her
  • After hearing about the rookies decision to kill Sasuke, Sakura focuses on Naruto's emotional pain
  • Sakura travels to the summit to ease Naruto's burden and try and protect him, one way or another
  • Naruto blushes in stunned reaction to her confession, confirming the presence of romantic feelings for her in real time after Hinata's confession (not a single thought of Hinata here)
  • Sakura is willing to have Naruto hate her in order to try and do what she feels is best for him
  • Naruto and Sakura fight
  • Naruto is shown coming to realize that she did what she did with his best interests at heart
  • Sasuke tries to kill Sakura twice
  • Sakura is shown coming to realize that Sasuke is not the person he used to be
  • Naruto saves Sakura
  • Naruto restores Sakura's faith in Team 7's happy renunion
  • Hinata wants to protect Naruto in the war
  • Sakura is shown to still love Sasuke, but that her mental image of Sasuke has taken a huge negative change
  • Naruto saves Sakura, asks her if she is okay
  • Naruto saves Hinata, thanks her for saving him before, and gives her a pep talk
  • Hinata vows to hold Naruto's hand after the war, she wants him to wait for her
  • Sakura is focused on helping Naruto, and standing by him with everyone else, making sure he is not alone
A good majority of that isn't NaruHina development - and what NaruHina moments there are after her confession (3), Hinata's feelings are the focus of two of them - rather than having anything to do with what Naruto feels - and the one that actually involves Naruto is nothing romantic from him at all.

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I'm gonna hate SasuSaku in Road to Ninja. can't stand it, I don't think he deserves it at this point, I'm a fan of SakuNaru
Well it is going to happen so you have no choice.. sorry
What SasuSaku in Road to Ninja? The SS "moments" in the movie are this:
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  • Sakura telling Naruto in the beginning of the movie that Sasuke would understand her - in response to him being unsympathetic about her fight with her parents --> Sakura wants to apologize to Naruto for this about mid way through the movie, so she obviously realizes its false, if she even meant it in the first place rather than trying to say something hurtful in the heat of anger.
  • Sakura blushing when Sasuke hands her a rose and tells her that he'll always be by her side --> Sakura sees him not too much later handing out roses and the exact same line to a group of random fan girls, and Sakura gets upset and leaves
That's it - there's no more thought of Sasuke from Sakura's side after that, no "fixing" of their relationship, nothing.



Meanwhile, for NS in Road to Ninja...
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  • Sakura grabs Naruto by the hand to drag him to the park at night alone, and Naruto mistakes it for a date - which she denies, but they're at night, swinging by themselves
  • When they first arrive in the AU world, Kiba thinks that they are on date
  • Hinata gets jealous of Sakura, then gets mad at Naruto when he takes Sakura's side, then they run off together
  • Kushina teases Naruto about wanting to be on his best behavior for Sakura, and wanting to be on her team
  • Sakura asks Naruto (meeting late at night alone again) if he's happy in this world
  • Sakura then goes off to try and confront Madara on her own to let Naruto hold on to his happiness there for however long he could
  • Sakura gets kidnapped, and despite Minato and Kushina telling him its too dangerous to go after her, Naruto goes to save her regardless
  • Naruto saves her (bridal style), Sakura returns the favor, and then Naruto saves her again
  • The whole rescue scene supposedly parallels MinaKushi's final battle with Tobi - Sakura is kidnapped and chained up in the same manner Kushina was, Naruto puts on the coat to go to battle the exact same way Minato did, Naruto saves Sakura bridal style just as Minato did Kushina, Naruto uses the exact same move Minato did to beat Tobi, etc. Even an SS fan on pixiv stated that NaruSaku came off as the next generation MinaKushi in the movie
  • When they go back to the real world, Naruto asks Sakura out again, and she replies that they just back from the longest date ever
NaruSaku got the preferential treatment in this movie by far.

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Naruto may have been obllivious to Sakura in Part I
Naruto was way more oblivious towards Hinata in the entire manga than he ever was to Sakura. I think he's been seriously oblivious towards Sakura maybe 3 times tops in the entire series.

Sakura herself was the one to point out at the end of part two that Naruto always knew, and always helped her. Proving that he was there for her and understood her far more than he didn't.
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but that beats Sakura hurting Naruto emotionally and physically in Part I. Sakura cased the pain of Naruto
Only Naruto made it clear that he considers Sakura one of the four people who saved him from the hell of loneliness that would have made him walk the same homicidal path Gaara did.

Only Naruto has stated that Sakura makes him happy.
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and hinata was too shy to help or know of his pain.
And Sakura knew even less of his pain - chapter 3 showed not only how ignorant she was about the pain of not having parents, but how she compltely misunderstood Naruto. Part one and even part two is full of Sakura continually coming to understand Naruto better, and realizing how badly she initially misunderstood him.

What pain she was aware of, she always tried to help him with (aside from loosing Jiraiya, where she was told to leave him alone). Even with the little things, like when she thought he was upset right before the chuunin exams and she tried to cheer him up because it was hard for her to see him not being his normal cheerful self.

Sakura has just as legitimate an excuse for not being there for Naruto very early on (because she was very much there for him at least from the chuunin exams forward if not before) as Hinata does, if not more, given she didn't know Naruto was hurting, and Hinata could have given her observations of him.
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ALso Hinata was not even allowed to go near him so how was she supposed to help.
That's filler, so its irrelevant. It never happened in the manga.
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I do not see sakura helping Naruto.
Refer back to the rest of this post, as I've already addressed ad nauseum how Sakura has helped Naruto.
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In the begininng when Iruka was stating teams. Hinata was dissapointed she was not on Naruto's team
That's filler, so its irrelevant. It never happened in the manga.
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Did Sakura give Naruto a confident boost NO so I did make a good point.
Hinata gave Naruto a confidence boost that Naruto didn't think once about after the scene was done.

By that same point in the story, Sakura was one of the people who had saved Naruto from the hell of loneliness, and only 20-30 chapters later, is one of his main motivations and reason for his ability to dig deeper for more power against his fight with Gaara.

Pretty sure Sakura trumps.
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And If Naruto was defeated by Garra he would think that Fate is real.Also all of his chakra points would be out and Naruto would not have seen Saskue vs Garra. If Sakura had to find and get Naruto it would take tooo much time Garra would have killed Saskue so I did make a good point yet again.
You don't have a point at all - you are speculating on what ifs with absolutely no basis in canon manga fact.

Naruto's fight with Gaara had NOTHING to do with Hinata, much less her proud failure speech - therefore, NOTHING would have changed in that fight without the speech.

Naruto didn't think even once of that speech during his fight with Neji - therefore, logic dictates he would likely have won that fight regardless of Hinata's speech.

Naruto wouldn't have left the stadium because he lost against Neji - he would have stayed. If he was unconscious after the fight, he would have been easy to find in the infirmary, where he likely would have mostly healed from Kyuubi's powers regardless.

Thus, they would have gotten there to save Sasuke anyway.

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Doing more or not Hinata still saved Naruto...thus saving the village. She risked her life and said I LOVE YOU ..(first). IT gave Naruto the rage and strenght to fight back so yeah that is a good point
It's a horrible point. Hinata may have saved Naruto, but it was completely incidental. To the best of her knowledge, she would have died and Naruto would still have been pinned down and in worse emotional pain then before from seeing her get beaten in front of him.

If it weren't for Minato's failsafe, Naruto would have freed Kyuubi entirely, dying in the process and then Kyuubi probably would have destroyed what was left of Konoha.

Hinata saying I love you only made her "death" that much worse for Naruto. Naruto got the strength to actually fight back because of Minato's words to him, not anything Hinata did. And then he never thinks of Hinata romantically, or her actual confession itself, again ever in the manga.
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Minato was unconfident before he met his love. She made him a man and Minato said that himself
lol no he wasn't - he told the entire academy class that he was going to become Hokage, no blushing or stuttering like Hinata.

Minato telling Kushina that she made him a man doesn't mean that he was unconfident before, especially when there is concrete evidence to the contrary.
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You can say if. We all know Sakura was the first girl he fell in love with. Kushina said do not do it and her advice was spot on. Hinata is the next girl he is falling for
You are basing your interpretation on an incorrect translation and totally ignoring the rest of her advice (find a girl like me).

There is zero evidence or signs that Naruto is falling for Hinata.

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In this case it was. If hinata did not do it Naruto would have died. Its not like she left the bodyguard for dead he was okay... for the most part and what could Hinata do for him. It is not always good to follow the rules just look at Obito and Kakshi their quote says it all ""Those that break the rules and regulations are scum. But those who abandon their comrades are worse than scum! If I'm going to be called scum either way, I'd rather break the rules! "
Hinata would have made things exponentially worse if it hadn't been for Minato.
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Sakura had to cry out for Naruto. So she was not going to do anything. She did know Naruto was fighting pain and did not do anything.
She knew Naruto was fighting Pein, and when she last saw him, he was doing fine against him. There is nothing to show that she knew Naruto was actually in any trouble. So she was going around healing people, like Tsunade and villagers.

Then she evacutated the villagers and tried to find Yamato. She did plenty.
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What could she do... even if she did help she was definetly not going to say "I lOVE YOU"
She could have done exactly what Hinata did - get one-shotted by Pein. Sakura wouldn't have had to tell Naruto she loved him to get the same result, because HE loves HER.

Hinata's "I love you" is really not as significant to Naruto as you are making it out to be - has he even thought of those words ONCE since she said them? Has he shown to think of Hinata ANY differently than he did before she said that? No.
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He would not ditch Hinata after all they have been through.
He's barely been through anything with her - aside from the log chat, which he never thought of again, her saving him and confessing, and then him saving her and giving her a pep talk (returning the favor as it were).

On the other hand, he's been through so much with Sakura. The Chuunin exam preliminaries (where Sasuke was wiped out early on), the fight against Gaara, Sasuke's initial betrayal and leaving (Sakura confiding in Naruto about the curse seal, Naruto reassuring her, the POAL, the talk they had at the hospital after VOTE, the second bell test, learning about the fate of Jinchuuriki's, the death of Chiyo, and the rescue of Gaara, getting two new team mates, Naruto loosing himself to the Kyuubi's Jinchuuriki and Sakura getting hurt by it and then seeing first hand the effect it has on Naruto, meeting up with Sasuke against and loosing him again ("I'm still here, we'll get stronger together"), the talk they had in the hospital after the Kakuzu fight ("I'll be fine as long as I have you to fix me up! Actually, I feel really happy..."), having Sasuke slip through their fingers again on the search for Itachi mission, learning about the death sentence on Sasuke's head from Danzo & the confrontation with Omoi and Karui (learning more about Sasuke), and then the whole summit fiasco meeting Sasuke again. Now, Sakura is determined to be together with Naruto no matter what he says, to stand by him and support him along with everyone else, to make sure that he doesn't have to be alone anymore.

So you expect Naruto and/or Sakura to ditch each other after everything THEY'VE been through together?
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Hinata has shown feelings for Naruto and vice versa.
There is no vice versa - Naruto has shown her friendship; there is no evidence that he feels anything more than that for her.
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Do youu think he will just let Hinata go. He will not let her suffer like that. Why would you not go for her when you can not go with Sakura
It would be worse to get together with her when he doesn't feel the same.

Again, Naruto is the only one who's actually shown emotional pain at their love interest loving someone else.
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How do you explain when KM Naruto saved Hinata and Sakura. He totally showed more feelings toward Hinata than Sakura
He saved both, and asked both if they were okay. He thanked Hinata for saving him because that was something that was outstanding between them and quick to get out of the way - unlike the issues outstanding between him and Sakura (i.e. the stuff brought up at Sakura's confession).

The only reason Naruto stayed to talk longer was becuase Kiba and Neji were suspicious of Naruto, and then Naruto saw she was upset and gave her a pep talk.

Naruto was still blushing over Sakura after Hinata's confession. She is still the only girl he addresses with the affectionate -chan suffix. Until there is actual evidence to the contrary, he is still in love with Sakura, and has no romantic feelings for Hinata.

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Whether Hinata was able to support Naruto as a kid isn't everything, what's important is the fact that she was the only one that cared about him and she actually did cheer for him when he fought against Sasuke for the first time, but her voice was drowned out by some random obnoxious girl cheering for Sasuke.
It doesn't mean anything, because it made zero difference to Naruto.

Naruto was still in the hell of loneliness until Iruka and Team 7 saved him from it.
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As for being forbidden to see him, all of the leaf children were forbidden to interact with Naruto, Hinata included.
You are mixing filler with canon manga - this never happened in the manga.
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Yes, Sakura helped fill in Naruto's loneliness, but that's only because she was forced to by being placed on his team-she actually treated him like crap most of the time when they were together until Part 2.
You need to reread the manga. She was helping him out plenty in the beginning, and by the time the chuunin exams began (i.e. when Hinata was introduced), Sakura was showing genuine concern and care for Naruto (by trying to cheer him up when she thought he was scared at the very beginning of the exams, by being willing to quit the exam in order to preserve Naruto's impossible dream, by realizing during his fight with Kiba that she was wrong about her intitial negative perception of him, etc.).
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Was Hinata being selfish when she told Naruto she loved him-yes, she even said so herself, that doesn't contradict NaruHina though, unless you're trying to argue that Hinata doesn't truly love Naruto and would do anything to save him.
Since when is being selfish in a relationship NOT a bad thing? Naruto's love for Sakura is selfless - he is constantly putting her feelings before his own, but still having respect for himself and her (i.e. his reaction to her false confession).
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You make it seem like Hinata would be Naruto's second choice...name one chapter/panel with Naruto showing romantic feelings for Sakura after Hinata's confession.
Kishi brings up Naruto's love for Sakura in chapter 457, 458, and 459.

Then, in real time after Hinata's confession, Naruto blushes in reaction to Sakura's confession at the summit, confirming that he still has romantic feelings for her after Hinata's confession. Despite arguing with Sakura there, he is shown afterwards coming to understand that Sakura did what she did with his best interests at heart, and he hasn't been shown to think of her any different or treat her any differently since.

You cannot assume that Naruto's feelings for Sakura have changed just because they haven't been brought up recently. How long did we go in part two without Sakura's romantic feelings for Sasuke being brought up while she was having onscreen positive development with Naruto? How long did we go between Hinata's confession and her just getting a thank you from Naruto for it?

Naruto's feelings for Sakura will not be dealt with again until after the fight with Sasuke (as his words in 457 provide).
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What we think about who would be better/worse for Naruto isn't really important in determining who he will end up with, what's important is examining the manga evidence. Let's start with the confession:

Chapter 437: Hinata reveals her feelings to Naruto and saves his life. He goes 6-tails after seeing her "die".
She was the straw that broke the camels back, not the sole reason. If she were, then wouldn't he have been thinking of her instead of anguishing over the question Pein posed him about achieving peace?
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Chapter 441: Naruto cries and says "Thank God, Thank God" after he senses that Hinata is still alive through SM.
Along with the rest of the villagers.

And then proceeds to completely ignore her until 558/559, despite numerous opportunities to talk with her, or at least confirm with her that she is alright.
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Chapter 469: Naruto denies Sakura's confession knowing that she still loves Sasuke.
And Naruto's feelings for Sakura haven't been shown to change because of that knowledge.
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Chapter 540: Sakura confirms that she still loves Sasuke and Hinata confirms that she still loves Naruto.
Sakura is shown to have a huge negative change in her mental perception of Sasuke, giving her currently the most negative view of her love interest.
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Chapter 558: The panel of Naruto rescuing Sakura takes up half a page, he attacks the Zetsu from behind, asks Sakura if she's alright and goes.
You clearly see the Naruto clone staying to fight off the Zetzu in the area with her, just as all of the Naruto clones do.
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The panel where he saves Hinata is 2/3 of a page and he puts himself directly between the Zetsu and Hinata. A conversation follows in the next chapter.
Chapter 559: Naruto and Hinata are able to understand one another just by looking into each other's eyes-this is a favorite motif of Kishi's and signals important relationships/understanding (Naruto and Sasuke, Naruto and Gaara, Gaara and Sasuke...)
Where is looking into each other's eyes a favorite motif of Kishi's? What exists between the ones you mentioned is understanding on the basis of relating to each other's pain.

Naruto understands practically EVERYONE in the manga on some level, this isn't unique to him and Hinata.

Naruto and Sakura have a much better understanding of one another for all they have gone through together.
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Hinata is the only one to implicitly trust Naruto
Chapter 236 - "I trust you completely Naruto" - from Sakura.
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and Naruto cheers her up.
Naruto cheers EVERYONE up; he's cheered up Sakura far more often than Hinata.
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Chapter 573: Hinata resolves herself to take definitive action regarding Naruto once the war is over (i.e. ask him out). Sakura just says a general supportive statement: We're all here for you.
Hinata focuses on her feelings for Naruto ("I'VE always chased you Naruto, I will change after the war, wait for ME, I'M going to hold your hand after the war) instead of how to help Naruto or what Naruto might be going through, while Sakura is thinking of Naruto's burdens and how she is definitely going to help him this time no matter what he says. ("No matter what you say, we're going to be together this time. Not just me, everyone!")

Sakura's line is incredibly reminiscent of Itachi's line to Naruto ("No matter how powerful you become, never try to shoulder everything alone. Otherwise, you will undoubtedly fail. Your father Minato could be Hokage because he had your mother Kushina AND all the others").

So not only are Sakura's thoughts far more selfless and considerate of Naruto, they seem to be far more significant as well.
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Hinata has been appearing more and more in the manga and other related Naruto media (chapter covers, the newest movie). I think the signs are clear.
She really hasn't. When was the last time she was on a chapter cover where she was the focus - her confession chapter I'm pretty sure.

She played as minor a role in the newest movie as she did in Bonds.

Meanwhile, NaruSaku is in the latest ED, Rock Lee has NaruSaku moments prectically every other episode, Naruto and Sakura's bond was the focus of the newest movie after the theme of parental love. In the manga, Naruto still hasn't shown any romantic interest in Hinata, his feelings for Sakura haven't been shown to change, his feelings for Sakura remain unresolved, Sakura has the most negative view of her love interest out of all Big 3, and she's shown more than friendship for Naruto in the past.

The signs do seem to be clear, but it doesn't seem to be pointing at NaruHina.

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There has not even been a NaruSaku Moment is FOREVER

Face it guys it is NARUHINA we have all of the evidence there is NO WAY for NaruSaku
You are missing to forest for the trees - Naruto and Sakura have by far the greatest amount of development, and Sakura is the most likely to change her feelings.


All of the NaruHina evidence shows is that Hinata is in love with Naruto, and Naruto considers her a friend. Thus, it could just as easily be about Hinata's character development, and taking care of the only thing left unresolved with her character, just like so many other characters are resolving loose threads with their characters (like Tsunade with Dan, Team 10 with Asuma, Sai with his brother, Kakashi with Zabuza, etc.)

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I am just talking most likely

Also have you guys even read Chap 559?
That chapter proves that Naruto likes Hinata and it is not one sided
The chapter showed absolutely NOTHING romantic from Naruto to Hinata. No blushing, no softened gaze like the one he gave Sakura in 246, nothing to indicate anything beyond friendly affection, respect, and gratitude.
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Hinata may never have thought less of Naruto for anything, but she's shown less faith in him than others have - she was expecting Naruto to fail just like everyone else (sans Kakashi & Sakura) during his fight w/ Kiba
Of course she did, she didn't know of his advancements since the Ninja Academy, really. She only knew of Kiba's strengths.

[FONT=Century Gothic]Hinata didn't cheer for Naruto because she didn't want Kiba to get mad at her, and she didn't cheer for him during his fight with Neji either (though maybe that was because she was injured). Sakura was the one cheering loudly for Naruto both times.
Because Sakura was on his team, and Hinata wasn't.


Seems a bit more significant than Hinata's offering of medicine for Naruto beating her team mate when she wanted Naruto to win in the first place.

What could Hinata do as a genin? Sakura couldn't do anything back then either.
I don't recall Hinata choosing Naruto over her family, but Hinata focusing on Naruto to the extent of neglecting her family (her other precious people) just reflects incredibly poorly on Hinata's character and makes her love for Naruto look incredibly self-centered.
How is she at all self-centered?

No, that's selfish, just like Hinata herself said. She knew that she stood no chance against Pein, but she made zero effort to try and free Naruto from the rods. So to the best of Hinata's knowledge, she would possibly delay Naruto being taken away for a minute or two, and then Naruto will be taken away anyway (b/c the only other person who knows the trouble Naruto is in is her bodyguard w/ a broken leg) while he's in worse emotional pain than before from seeing her "die" in front of him.
She still tried to protect him.

Meanwhile, Sakura has been the most consistent presence at Naruto's side since late part one, going through good and bad times with him. She tells Naruto that she is still there, that they will get stronger together, that he is not alone in his pain - not with Sasuke, and not with his Jinchuuriki issues. Naruto tells Sakura how happy this makes him in chapter 343.
Because they're best friends and teammates. And Naruto needs someone to be there for him.

Sakura was willing to give up the person she canonically loves for Naruto's sake. In the alternative, she was willing to have Naruto hate her in order to protect him and ease his burdens.
How did she give up Sasuke?

THAT, that selfless dedication to another person regardless of the hurt it causes you, is love. Acting solely for the benefit and happiness of the other person, not thinking about your own feelings in the matter.
Sakura doesn't love Naruto.

Which isn't romantic at all - Naruto treated her like a decent friend would. He's done that for a whole slew of characters.
Exactly, I agree with this.

Minato was CONFIDENT and believed in himself
Sakura doesn't always believe in herself, either.

Plus, you're conveniently ignoring Kushina's next words, which were "find a girl like me"
Right about that.


Sakura attacked Sasuke when Naruto was down, and she tried to kill Sasuke on her own to take the burden off of Naruto's shoulders at the summit.
Because you can't just make someone devote their whole life to your selfish needs, Sakura realized how much of a burden that placed on Naruto. Anyone should do that.

Sakura is an emotional support to Naruto in the quest to get back Sasuke (defending his feelings for Sasuke against both Sai and Sasuke himself) and telling Naruto that she is still there for him.
Because she loves Sasuke, too.


Plus she saved Hinata's life.
That's her job.

Sakura, along with Minato, cleaned up the mess Hinata made, and is the reason Naruto was able to be so relieved in the first place after he turned back to normal.

He needed to transform to beat Pein anyway. So really it was Hinata's help, not mess.
You honestly think that Naruto is going to go out with Hinata before resolving his feelings for Sakura? He's not going to go out with anyone.

You honestly think Naruto isn't going to get the chance to tell Sakura how he feels, when Sakura and Hinata got their chance to express how they felt to their respective love interests?

I'm excited for that to happen.

And Sasuke has not shown an iota of romantic interest in her. It takes two to make a canon relationship.
And yet Sakura still loves Sasuke.

Not only that, but we saw the huge negative change in Sakura's mental image of Sasuke - she still loves him, but 540 could definitely be the set up for Sakura reevaluating her feelings and getting over them. She has the most reason out of everyone to get over Sasuke and move on from her romantic feelings for him.
What are you talking about? All she did was think about him, because that guy brought him up. She didn't get over her feelings at all.

Plus, Sakura is the only one to show something beyond friendship for Naruto. Naruto has shown nothing beyond friendship for Hinata, and Sasuke has never shown anything beyond friendship for Sakura.

Not really.

Because Naruto doesn't love Hinata. Naruto loves Sakura.
And Sakura loves Sasuke.

Naruto turned Sakura down because she was lying to herself. Doesn't mean that her feelings can't change. SOMEONE's feelings need to change in order for any of these pairings to become canon, and Sakura is the most likely to do so because she has shown the most towards Naruto beyond friendship, and she is the one with the most negative view of her canonic love interest.

No pairings will be canon

He treated Hinata like a friend, nothing more. There was nothing romantic there from his side- just a generic grin tossed over his shoulder at her, trying to cheer her up.
True.

Sakura explained to Sai how Naruto feels about Sasuke, without Naruto ever telling her that he considers Sasuke a brother (and it must not have been obvious, given Sasuke's surprise when Naruto told him such at VOTE).

More like lover. Naruto probably loves Sasuke.

See the rest of my post above. Sakura has done leaps and bounds more for Naruto than Hinata has over the course of the whole manga. She saved him from the hell of loneliness, and sticks by his side giving him emotional support. She makes Naruto happy.

They're on different teams, what do you expect? Hinata's not even a main character.

Hinata is the wrong choice - Naruto doesn't love her, Hinata is more focused on her own feelings for Naruto than Naruto's feelings, and she hasn't been there for Naruto nearly as much as Sakura has.
Sure, but Sakura's not the right choice either. She loves Sasuke.

What does Naruto want? Sakura Sasuke.

She was the one he was in love with the last time his romantic feelings were brought up AFTER Hinata's confession, and despite arguing with her, he came to understand that she did what she did with his best interests at heart. He hasn't treated her any differently since then - he is still protective of her, he is still affectionate towards her, and she is still the only girl that he addresses with the '-chan' suffix.

What's one confession going to do? It's a war, no time for that stuff. And because he's not really even close to the other girls anymore.

Secondly, Let's look at what happened since Hinata's confession:
  • Sakura is shown bothered by the realization that Hinata is in love with NarutoNot mad about it, she didn't know before.
  • Naruto is hugged by Sakura in front of the entire village, the group right behind them stunned and blushing, and one little girl making the classic "how romantic pose" while Hinata looks on with dots in her speech bubble
    She was probably jealous.
  • After hearing about the rookies decision to kill Sasuke, Sakura focuses on Naruto's emotional pain
    because that's a big deal, killing your best friend. Of course she cares.
  • Sakura travels to the summit to ease Naruto's burden and try and protect him, one way or another
    because she realizes how much she sucks
  • Naruto blushes in stunned reaction to her confession, confirming the presence of romantic feelings for her in real time after Hinata's confession (not a single thought of Hinata here)
    Wouldn't you blush in that situation? It was in front of all those people, not something you do in Japanese culture. And he didn't think of Hinata because he doesn't love her, you're right.
  • Sakura is willing to have Naruto hate her in order to try and do what she feels is best for him
    once again, because she realizes she sucks.
  • Sasuke tries to kill Sakura twice
    because of how much trouble he's causing everyone, she still can't go through with it because she loves him/
  • Sakura is shown coming to realize that Sasuke is not the person he used to be
    Naruto knows that too.
  • Hinata wants to protect Naruto in the war
    She wants to show how she's improved.
  • Sakura is shown to still love Sasuke, but that her mental image of Sasuke has taken a huge negative change
    Because he's a bad guy now.
  • Naruto saves Hinata, thanks her for saving him before, and gives her a pep talk
    As any good friend would do.
  • Sakura is focused on helping Naruto, and standing by him with everyone else, making sure he is not alone
    It wouldn't be fair to make him do everything on his own. Everyone else is helping too, did you forget?
Naruto was way more oblivious towards Hinata in the entire manga than he ever was to Sakura. I think he's been seriously oblivious towards Sakura maybe 3 times tops in the entire series.
Naruto's a dunce.
Only Naruto made it clear that he considers Sakura one of the four people who saved him from the hell of loneliness that would have made him walk the same homicidal path Gaara did.

Only Naruto has stated that Sakura makes him happy.

Because they're best friends.
And Sakura knew even less of his pain - chapter 3 showed not only how ignorant she was about the pain of not having parents, but how she compltely misunderstood Naruto. Part one and even part two is full of Sakura continually coming to understand Naruto better, and realizing how badly she initially misunderstood him.
Because now they're friends.
Hinata gave Naruto a confidence boost that Naruto didn't think once about after the scene was done.
There's no time for thinking about such things.

It's a horrible point. Hinata may have saved Naruto, but it was completely incidental. To the best of her knowledge, she would have died and Naruto would still have been pinned down and in worse emotional pain then before from seeing her get beaten in front of him.
At least she'd die trying to protect him.
Hinata saying I love you only made her "death" that much worse for Naruto. Naruto got the strength to actually fight back because of Minato's words to him, not anything Hinata did. And then he never thinks of Hinata romantically, or her actual confession itself, again ever in the manga.

You can't say that didn't help even a little. There is zero evidence or signs that Naruto is falling for Hinata.
True!
Hinata would have made things exponentially worse if it hadn't been for Minato.
No, she made him mad, which trigged kyubiness Hinata's "I love you" is really not as significant to Naruto as you are making it out to be - has he even thought of those words ONCE since she said them? Has he shown to think of Hinata ANY differently than he did before she said that? No.
I'd say he thinks a bit more highly of her now.
So you expect Naruto and/or Sakura to ditch each other after everything THEY'VE been through together?
They're best friends, they never ditch each other. There is no vice versa - Naruto has shown her friendship; there is no evidence that he feels anything more than that for her.
True. But Sakura still loves Sasuke.

Until there is actual evidence to the contrary, he is still in love with Sakura, and has no romantic feelings for Hinata.

And Sakura still loves Sasuke.

Since when is being selfish in a relationship NOT a bad thing? Naruto's love for Sakura is selfless - he is constantly putting her feelings before his own, but still having respect for himself and her (i.e. his reaction to her false confession).
In that case, why are you dissing Hinata for that?

Sakura is shown to have a huge negative change in her mental perception of Sasuke, giving her currently the most negative view of her love interest.
As is Naruto's views of him.

Where is looking into each other's eyes a favorite motif of Kishi's? What exists between the ones you mentioned is understanding on the basis of relating to each other's pain.
Yeah I don't get that either.

Naruto and Sakura have a much better understanding of one another for all they have gone through together.

Because they're teammates.

So not only are Sakura's thoughts far more selfless and considerate of Naruto, they seem to be far more significant as well.

Because their teammates. And best friends.

All of the NaruHina evidence shows is that Hinata is in love with Naruto, and Naruto considers her a friend. Thus, it could just as easily be about Hinata's character development, and taking care of the only thing left unresolved with her character, just like so many other characters are resolving loose threads with their characters (like Tsunade with Dan, Team 10 with Asuma, Sai with his brother, Kakashi with Zabuza, etc.)
And Sakura still loves Sasuke.
Honestly, neither will happen. There's too many loose ends. Sakura loves Sasuke, no matter what he does, she still loves him. What else could he possibly do? He tried to kill her! Naruto doesn't love Hinata, he can't spend enough time with her for that to happen. He'll be dead before he gets a chance like that. Naruto isn't a romance manga. It's shounen. With the story rapidly coming to an end, how are we going to resolve all this? Naruto's going to die fighting Sasuke, no dating will happen.
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Default Re: NS/NH/SS discussion thread

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Originally Posted by Sselinde View Post
And? Naruto wasn't aware of it, so it she might as well have thought of him like everyone else did for all the actual difference it made to Naruto - while Hinata was silently acknowledging him and drawing strength from watching him struggling from afar, Naruto was in the hell of loneliness (his own words) until Iruka and Team 7.
So? I've lost count of how many characters have been inspired by Naruto, Sakura included.

At least Hinata did not discourage Naruto like Everybody else did. Hinata was forbbiden to talk to him just like most kids. She was unaware of the beast that was inside of him. Hinata was the only one in his age group that always loved and believed in him. Naruto even saved her from bullies and he barely knew her. Already Hinata as done more than Sakura. At least Hinata wanted to get to know him. Sakura could care less.

Hinata may never have thought less of Naruto for anything, but she's shown less faith in him than others have - she was expecting Naruto to fail just like everyone else (sans Kakashi & Sakura) during his fight w/ Kiba, and she was the only one to think he was down after being kicked by Tobi.

Hinata knew how powerful Kiba was. Hinata had no clue how strong Naruto has gotten. So obviously she would think Kiba is stronger. Everyone had their bets on Kiba due to past knowledge. Hinata still wanted Naruto to win. She was constantly worried and she was exstatic that Naruto won instead of kiba.... what does Tobi have to do with this??? Hinata had faith in him when he fought Neji. that is even more impressive cuz most ppl thought neji would win.
Pretty sure this was filler from the first episode. And even if it wasn't, it doesn't mean anything - Ino wanted to be on Sasuke's team too - doesn't mean that SasuIno is a good couple.
Either way Hinata wanted to be with Naruto. Sakura did not want to be with Naruto. This just shows how much Hinata loves Naruto and how much she wanted to be with him unlike other people.

Hinata didn't cheer for Naruto because she didn't want Kiba to get mad at her, and she didn't cheer for him during his fight with Neji either (though maybe that was because she was injured). Sakura was the one cheering loudly for Naruto both times.
It would be sooo uncool to cheer for the enemy. Hinata is not that mean. Nobody cheered for the opposite of their own teammate. Sakura only cheered for Naruto cuz Naruto yelled his butt off for sakura. Hinata has a kind and quiet natrue so she can not cheer very well. BUT!!!!!!!!! SHe did give Naruto the confidence to beat Neji. If Hinata did not do that the leaf would have been destroyed

And Sakura healed Naruto despite the fact that it was aggravating an injury that Naruto himself gave her. She didn't blame Naruto or fear him afterwards because of that. She was only thinking about how she wasn't doing enough for Naruto.

Sakura HAD to heal Naruto. I mean come on who would not heal Naruto
1- Sakura was not allowed to tell Naruto the truth about what really happened when he went into his beast mode
2- They are in life-or-death situations Sakura does not have the time to hold a grudge
3- Naruto was not in control
4- Would you hold a grudge in their conditions?
5- They are teammates and friends
Hinata is also sad that she can not do more for Naruto. But Hinata risks her life to try and do more for Naruto .... and she does not cry like a baby... unlike Sakura. Hinata was thinking about Naruto since the beginning

Seems a bit more significant than Hinata's offering of medicine for Naruto beating her team mate when she wanted Naruto to win in the first place.
How is that fair??? Hinata was no where near around to help at Naruto at that time nor did she have the skillz to help Naruto. At least Hinata had medicine to help Naruto
Hinata didn't save anything.
Without Hinata the Leaf would be destroyed
- Saved Naruto from Pain invasion
- Gave encouragement to beat Neji... so he had the strenght to beat Garra
How did Hinata NOT save the village?

Naruto never once thought of Hinata's proud failure speech during her fight with Neji - even if she had never cheered him up, his anger at Neji and recalling Lee and Hinata's fights against Neji would have motivated him enough to win.
Naruto was not confident he would win until he talk to Hinata.
chapter 98 pages 7, 12,13... practically all of chapter 98

Even if he didn't win, it would be completely out of character for him to fall apart. We've already seen that failure makes Naruto upset briefly, and then makes him try harder the next time (just like when Sasuke saved Naruto and called him a scaredy cat).
^ That is assuming. We do not know if Naruto could continue
I am not saying that Naruto would just give up but how would he overcome the issues like..........
- All of his charkra points being cut off
- barely able to move
- Naruto would be taking the the emergency room and he would not know about the condition the leaf was in
- he would know Neji was right and that he was a failure
- He would be trapped in the genjutsu
- Sakura/Shikamaru would have to find and save/release Naruto out of genjutsu than chase after Saskue
- He would not have saved saskue in time
^ So The leaf would have been destroyed if it was not for Hinata's encouragement

Hinata had absolutely nothing to do with Naruto's fight against Gaara - it was Sakura in danger, and Sasuke's words about protecting precious people that motivated Naruto to be able to win against him.

Look at my list above my confused friend. If Hinata did not encourage Naruto then Naruto would have lost and would be unfit to fight Garra

I don't recall Hinata choosing Naruto over her family, but Hinata focusing on Naruto to the extent of neglecting her family (her other precious people) just reflects incredibly poorly on Hinata's character and makes her love for Naruto look incredibly self-centered.
Hinata did what was Right. Neji chose hatred over his own family. He wanted to kill Hinata and he destroyed her with just words. Neji did not even know the whole story yet he was blinded by rage. At least Hinata chose love over her family instead of hate.
No, that's selfish, just like Hinata herself said. She knew that she stood no chance against Pein, but she made zero effort to try and free Naruto from the rods. So to the best of Hinata's knowledge, she would possibly delay Naruto being taken away for a minute or two, and then Naruto will be taken away anyway (b/c the only other person who knows the trouble Naruto is in is her bodyguard w/ a broken leg) while he's in worse emotional pain than before from seeing her "die" in front of him.

- In the anime Hinata tried to free Naruto from the Chakra rods
- I do not see Sakura trying to save Naruto when he needs it
- If it was not for Hinata's " selfish actions" the leaf and Naruto would have been destroyed
- Sakura was not far away from the battle and she knew Naruto was still fighting pain
- SO what if Hinata was selfish ONCE. Sakura has been selfish plenty of times especially when she was obsessing over Saskue and wanted to join him

Meanwhile, Sakura has been the most consistent presence at Naruto's side since late part one, going through good and bad times with him. She tells Naruto that she is still there, that they will get stronger together, that he is not alone in his pain - not with Sasuke, and not with his Jinchuuriki issues. Naruto tells Sakura how happy this makes him in chapter 343.
This is just because Sakura spent more time with Naruto because they were on the same team. Sakura caused the Bad times
- Alwasy hitting him and abusing him physically
- depending on Naruto and Saskue to do all the work
- Forcing Naruto to make a promise
- Not relaising Naruto's true feelings for her

When did Hinata harm Naruto?
Sakura was willing to give up the person she canonically loves for Naruto's sake. In the alternative, she was willing to have Naruto hate her in order to protect him and ease his burdens.
ok she was WILLING ... big deal she still did not finish the job. If a smoke is willing to quit but does not what does that do? If Sakura really wanted to help she would have killed Saskue. If Sakura really cared about naruto she would not want him to hate her

THAT, that selfless dedication to another person regardless of the hurt it causes you, is love. Acting solely for the benefit and happiness of the other person, not thinking about your own feelings in the matter.

How is what sakura did different from what Hinata did ? They were both selfish (sakura was being more selfish) Are you saying being selfish is bad or gud?

Hinata is all about her own feelings for Naruto, not Naruto's feelings. When was the last time Hinata actually thought about Naruto's feelings?
Hinata has always cared for Naruto's feelings. She wanted to help Naruto not be alone but her bodyguard did not let her interact with Naruto. Hinata cared about how he felt when he was going to fight Neji. When has their been a NaruSaku moment lately?
Which isn't romantic at all - Naruto treated her like a decent friend would. He's done that for a whole slew of characters.
Chapter 559 says it all. Naruto and Hinata are way more than friends. They had a connection with they eyes. They could tell what each other was thinking and encouraged each other.
Are you seriously trying to parallel MinaKushi with NaruHina? Wow... Who is Sakura like? Kushina??? Well Naruto and Sakura would both be kushina and they are just tooo smiliar.

Minato was CONFIDENT and believed in himself (he wouldn't have declared his intent to become a respectable Hokage in front of the classroom otherwise, or hold Kushina in his arms after rescuing her so calmly) - he was just polite, and calm. Hinata is nothing like Minato.
Kushina INSPIRED Minato to declare he wanted to be Hokage. Even Minato said Kushinia made him the man he was today. chapter 503 pg 155- Minato thanks wife for making him into a man. Young minato was also quiet and calm like Hinata. How are those two different. He defeinetly is not like Sakura
Nice try, but no. The translation is either "Don't fall for a strange one" (Hinata, as Naruto called her weird at her introduction) or "Don't fall for the first girl that comes your way" - still Hinata, because she was the first to come Naruto's way romantically (i.e. she was the first girl to confess her love to him).
But Sakura was the first one that Naruto noticed and spent the most time with. So Sakura was the first girl to come naruto's way
Plus, you're conveniently ignoring Kushina's next words, which were "find a girl like me" - even you didn't try comparing Kushina to Hinata, because aside from being kidnapped by Cloud once, they have absolutely nothing in common, whereas she certainly shares a few personality traits with Sakura.
She hits Naruto when he's behaving like an idiot, when he's being rude (like to Tsunade), when he's being perverted, or when he's being reckless and endangering himself.
Having 2 of the same people in a relationship does not work. Their has to be one to balance the other... their has to be a minato in that relationship. Even Kushina and Naruto agree He is more like his mom.

When has Naruto EVER shown that he cares about her hitting him? The answer is never, because its not a big deal.
Naruto does not enjoy it either.

I guess you must think Kushina abuses Naruto too, because she also hit him.
that was one time and it was an emotional time. Plus she is the mom she is allowed to hit him


Sakura was the first, and one of the only people, to directly offer to help Naruto bring back Sasuke the next time (in chapter 236). Not because she was assigned a mission to bring him back, but because she wanted to help Naruto.
too littile to late. Sakura barely helped bringing Saskue back. She still caused Naruto that pain with the promise. What good does helping now do? Everyone else still wanted to help bring back Saskue. Do not forget Shino.

Sakura trained her butt off over the time skip and improved tremendously in order to help Naruto like she said.
Yet she is still weak and inferiror to Hinata. Sakura did not do squat when she reunited with Saskue. Each time she just got in the way or failed and someone had to rescure her.... so what has changed?

Sakura offered to get back Sasuke for Naruto when he was in his KN4 mode, and her desire to help Naruto is clear from her words when she's healing him. She just doesn't know what more she can do to help.
Again she was being selfish and useless and by doing that she got in the way of Yamato trying to tame Naruto. Reasining with the fox was stupid. She did not help at all.

Sakura attacked Sasuke when Naruto was down, and she tried to kill Sasuke on her own to take the burden off of Naruto's shoulders at the summit.
And again she fails. Sakura is all talk and she just gets in the way.

Sakura is an emotional support to Naruto in the quest to get back Sasuke (defending his feelings for Sasuke against both Sai and Sasuke himself) and telling Naruto that she is still there for him.
Sakura is also the emotion pain/stress that Naruto has to beat due to the promise that Sakura forced naruto to make.

What more could Sakura have possibly done with the abilities and knowledge that she had at those times?
Sakura had no clue that Naruto was in trouble - as far as she knew, Naruto was handling himself just fine as he was at the beginning of the battle. When she saw that he transformed into 6 tails, she took immediate action to evacuate the villagers so Naruto wouldn't hurt them and feel horribly guilty afterwards, and to try and find Yamato - the only person she knew could actually help Naruto in that state.
Sakura could have ran to Naruto or checked on him. Even if Sakura knew she would not inteven after the last time naruto went into the fox mode. Sakura just ran away with the villagers instead of trying to help Naruto or save other villagers.

Plus she saved Hinata's life.-If Hinata did not intervene Sakura and the whole ninja world would have been dead. Plus Hinata saved Sakura when Hinata gave support/encouragment to Naruto to fight Neji... I explained it above^

Sakura, along with Minato, cleaned up the mess Hinata made, and is the reason Naruto was able to be so relieved in the first place after he turned back to normal.
No, he said he couldn't tell Sakura how he feels until he fulfills the POAL - i.e. saves Sasuke.
Why are you hating on Hinata's heroic actions?
You do realize if sakura did not do what she did the ninja world would have been destroyed right??

You honestly think that Naruto isn't going to save Sasuke?
When that happens SakuraxSaskue
You honestly think that Naruto is going to go out with Hinata before resolving his feelings for Sakura?
SaskuexSakura.... afteralll Hinata and Naruto still have to work out their feelings
You honestly think Naruto isn't going to get the chance to tell Sakura how he feels, when Sakura and Hinata got their chance to express how they felt to their respective love interests?
Sakura has not even said how she feels... honestly
And Sasuke has not shown an iota of romantic interest in her. It takes two to make a canon relationship.
Naruto has not shown feelings for Sakura in the longest time. The flame he had for her has been blown out.

Not only that, but we saw the huge negative change in Sakura's mental image of Sasuke - she still loves him, but 540 could definitely be the set up for Sakura reevaluating her feelings and getting over them. She has the most reason out of everyone to get over Sasuke and move on from her romantic feelings for him.
Yet she still could not kill saskue so there is some romantic tention still there.

Plus, Sakura is the only one to show something beyond friendship for Naruto. Naruto has shown nothing beyond friendship for Hinata, and Sasuke has never shown anything beyond friendship for Sakura.
Because Naruto doesn't love Hinata. Naruto loves Sakura.
naruto USED to love Sakura. Chpater 559 says it all on their latest status. Naruto and Hinata had a connection with the eyes and they talked for pages. naruto barely said a sentence to Sakura

Naruto turned Sakura down because she was lying to herself. Doesn't mean that her feelings can't change. SOMEONE's feelings need to change in order for any of these pairings to become canon, and Sakura is the most likely to do so because she has shown the most towards Naruto beyond friendship, and she is the one with the most negative view of her canonic love interest.
And Naruto HATES liars. Sakura is not even over Saskue. Saskue was her first and major love. She still wants him. Sakura has not even told Naruto that she loves him.
Naruto was going to leave after asking her if she was alright, just like with Sakura. The only difference was him thanking her for saving him earlier, which again, isn't romantic, and was something outstanding between them. It was only because Kiba and Neji started questioning him that he stayed to talk longer.
They still had a major emotional connection just with the eyes. And he barely said a sentence to Sakura. He said the least to Sakura.

He treated Hinata like a friend, nothing more. There was nothing romantic there from his side - no blushing, no softened smile (like the one Naruto gave Sakura in 246 during the second bell test) - just a generic grin tossed over his shoulder at her, trying to cheer her up.
I didn't see Sakura having any doubt that it was Naruto either.
Sakura has not even shown emotional loving feelings to Naruto lately nor vice versa. Their relationship has gotten colder than ice. Naruto no longer has interest in Sakura.

Gee, when have Naruto and Sakura ever known how the other was feeling just by looking at them? Try chapter 451, when they're talking to Tazuna. Try when they were in the hospital talking to Kakashi about the first failed mission to bring back Sasuke. Try the mission to sand when they learned from Chiyo about bijuus and the fate of Jinchuurikis - Sakura just had to look at Naruto to understand how upset he was feeling about the whole thing.
Hinata and Naruto spend a shorter time together so having a connection with the eyes is even more romantic than 2 ppl who were on the same team

After Chiyo died, Naruto and Sakura stayed behind together at her grave aside from everyone else, being silent support to one another.
So................ they are paying their respects. They are the ones who have the most emotional connection with her. This means NOTHING

Sakura explained to Sai how Naruto feels about Sasuke, without Naruto ever telling her that he considers Sasuke a brother (and it must not have been obvious, given Sasuke's surprise when Naruto told him such at VOTE).
Everyone knows that. Sakura feels the same way.

And that's just what I recall off the top of my head.
See the rest of my post above. Sakura has done leaps and bounds more for Naruto than Hinata has over the course of the whole manga. She saved him from the hell of loneliness, and sticks by his side giving him emotional support. She makes Naruto happy.
That is only because they are on the same team. Sakura also causes Naruto the MOST PAIN. like I stated above. WIth that crule promise and lying to Naruto to his face was just creul. IT was not helping at all. If Sakura REALLY knew Naruto and if they had a connection than Sakura would not have done that.
Hinata is the wrong choice - Naruto doesn't love her, Hinata is more focused on her own feelings for Naruto than Naruto's feelings, and she hasn't been there for Naruto nearly as much as Sakura has.
IF Hinata were on Naruto's team more she would have been their. Naruto no longer loves Sakura she caused too much pain and issues and Sakura messes with his feelings. Hinata does care for Naruto's feelings as stated above
What some minor tertiary character that is barely in the story wants is completely irrelevant.
Unlike Sakura. Hinata has saved the ninja world and the leaf. Hinata has done more in the battles and Sakura is one of the least favored characters. Sakura is only one of the main characters cuz she is on Naruto's team. The main characters will fall in love SAKURAxSASKUE

What does Naruto want? Sakura. She was the one he was in love with the last time his romantic feelings were brought up AFTER Hinata's confession, and despite arguing with her, he came to understand that she did what she did with his best interests at heart. He hasn't treated her any differently since then - he is still protective of her, he is still affectionate towards her, and she is still the only girl that he addresses with the '-chan' suffix.
Naruto USED to want Sakura. When is the last time he said he "wanted" Skaura. Who does Sakura want... SAKSUE!!! Naruto has tread Sakura differently he does not love her like she used to. Naruto has paid way more attention to Hinata than Sakura. Sakura also calls Saskue Saskue-kun. Naruto and Sakura are like brother and sister so they love each other but not in a sexual way.

First of all, most NaruSaku shippers I'm familiar with refer to all of NaruSaku's development with that argument. Naruto and Sakura's relationship is the most focused on hetero relationship in the entire series overall, and it has the most development overall as well out of all the Big 3 pairings.
They do not have the most development just the most screen time

Secondly, Let's look at what happened since Hinata's confession:
  • Sakura is shown bothered by the realization that Hinata is in love with Naruto-she is jealous Hinata has gotten to Naruto first
  • Naruto cries in relief upon learning that Hinata and the villagers are alright-Naruto is glad Hinata is alright
  • Naruto is hugged by Sakura in front of the entire village, the group right behind them stunned and blushing, and one little girl making the classic "how romantic pose" while Hinata looks on with dots in her speech bubble soooooo? Hinata is not going to barge in and say get off my man
  • Naruto and Sakura find out about Sasuke's situation-soooo
  • Sai has a flashback where he asks if Naruto loves Sakura, and he confirms indirectly while giving the readers a reason for why he hasn't been actively pursuing Sakura or told her how he feels yet perfect time for SakuraxSaskue
  • Sai tells Sakura that Naruto loves her. It is said if an emotionless boy has to tell a stupid lovesick girul (with Saskue) that another guy USED to like them. Sakura is selfish and stupid
  • Sakura's flashbacks affirm for her that Naruto is in love with her Sakura cries again instead of taking action.
  • After hearing about the rookies decision to kill Sasuke, Sakura focuses on Naruto's emotional pain Sakura cries more and begs Shikamaru to stop. Sakura can not take this pain and she is ashamed of herself
  • Sakura travels to the summit to ease Naruto's burden and try and protect him, one way or another Sakura fails and causes Naruto even more pain
  • Naruto blushes in stunned reaction to her confession, confirming the presence of romantic feelings for her in real time after Hinata's confession (not a single thought of Hinata here)Yet Naruto was enraged and it was in battle when Naruto was about to die so he was mostly shocked. Who would blush at a time like that?
  • Sakura is willing to have Naruto hate her in order to try and do what she feels is best for him If Sakura really liked Naruto she would have handled it in a better way
  • Naruto and Sakura fight not very romantic... it is just like old times
  • Naruto is shown coming to realize that she did what she did with his best interests at heart again an emotionless boy has to tell him that. If they had such a good connection than naruto would have known the turth
  • Sasuke tries to kill Sakura twice Sakura fails to kill Saskue
  • Sakura is shown coming to realize that Sasuke is not the person he used to be Sakura is worried and concerned for Saskue
  • Naruto saves Sakura Again not much has changed. Sakura could not finish a task and Naruto has to save her
  • Naruto restores Sakura's faith in Team 7's happy renunion Sakura said that she would stop crying but she obviously fails. Sakura was supposed to protect Naruto but Sakura fails
  • Hinata wants to protect Naruto in the war
  • Sakura is shown to still love Sasuke, but that her mental image of Sasuke has taken a huge negative change like you said she still loves Saskue
  • Naruto saves Sakura, asks her if she is okay meanwhile he has a converstation with Hinata
  • Naruto saves Hinata, thanks her for saving him before, and gives her a pep talk
  • Hinata vows to hold Naruto's hand after the war, she wants him to wait for her
  • Sakura is focused on helping Naruto, and standing by him with everyone else, making sure he is not alone - This comment is more friend zone. She wants to be with everyone elses and make naruto feel okay. This is not a I love you thing thi is a friend thing
A good majority of that isn't NaruHina development - and what NaruHina moments there are after her confession (3), Hinata's feelings are the focus of two of them - rather than having anything to do with what Naruto feels - and the one that actually involves Naruto is nothing romantic from him at all.

Mostly Sakura just fails
Hinata has succeded
Hinata and Naruto have a stronger and longer moment
Sakura just gets in the way and can not kill her beloved Saskue


I do not know much aobut the latest Movie so their is no point in me disscussing it
Naruto was way more oblivious towards Hinata in the entire manga than he ever was to Sakura. I think he's been seriously oblivious towards Sakura maybe 3 times tops in the entire series.
Hinata has done no wrong by Naruto while Sakura has caused Naruto numerous amounts of pain

Sakura herself was the one to point out at the end of part two that Naruto always knew, and always helped her. Proving that he was there for her and understood her far more than he didn't.
Only Naruto made it clear that he considers Sakura one of the four people who saved him from the hell of loneliness that would have made him walk the same homicidal path Gaara did.
Sakura really did not do much. It was mostly Iruka, Kakashi, and Saskue. Sakura just cuased Naruto pain. Naruto helped plenty of people

Only Naruto has stated that Sakura makes him happy. and only Hinata told Naruto that she truely loved him
And Sakura knew even less of his pain - chapter 3 showed not only how ignorant she was about the pain of not having parents, but how she compltely misunderstood Naruto. Part one and even part two is full of Sakura continually coming to understand Naruto better, and realizing how badly she initially misunderstood him.
t Sakura will never understand Naruto's pain. That chapter also showed how wrong they were for each other. Sakura was just an annoyance.
What pain she was aware of, she always tried to help him with (aside from loosing Jiraiya, where she was told to leave him alone). Even with the little things, like when she thought he was upset right before the chuunin exams and she tried to cheer him up because it was hard for her to see him not being his normal cheerful self.

Hinata did the important cheering. She encourage naruto to successfully beat Neji. As always Sakura jsut has more knowledge of Naruto cuz they are on the same team. They are more like bro n sis
Sakura has just as legitimate an excuse for not being there for Naruto very early on (because she was very much there for him at least from the chuunin exams forward if not before) as Hinata does, if not more, given she didn't know Naruto was hurting, and Hinata could have given her observations of him.
That's filler, so its irrelevant. It never happened in the manga.
Refer back to the rest of this post, as I've already addressed ad nauseum how Sakura has helped Naruto.
That's filler, so its irrelevant. It never happened in the manga.
Hinata gave Naruto a confidence boost that Naruto didn't think once about after the scene was done.
hinata was training but Sakura was just sitting on her butt. She was just constatnly worried over lle and saskue... but NOT Naruto.
Hinata did encourage Naruto its in the magna I stated it ^
BUt Naruto did say he felt better it gave him the strength to win and he would have lost witout it

By that same point in the story, Sakura was one of the people who had saved Naruto from the hell of loneliness, and only 20-30 chapters later, is one of his main motivations and reason for his ability to dig deeper for more power against his fight with Gaara. It was all the villagers that gave Naruto the strenght to fight. Also If Hinata did not encourage Naruto than would not have a chance in the first place

Pretty sure Sakura trumps.
You don't have a point at all - you are speculating on what ifs with absolutely no basis in canon manga fact.
What did I assume I use statments on cannon

Naruto's fight with Gaara had NOTHING to do with Hinata, much less her proud failure speech - therefore, NOTHING would have changed in that fight without the speech.
You are just repeating what you said.... this is why your post is soo long cuz you repeat yourself I stated this ABOVE
Naruto didn't think even once of that speech during his fight with Neji - therefore, logic dictates he would likely have won that fight regardless of Hinata's speech.
You can not prove that Naruto would have won without it. Naruto felt better after the talk

Naruto wouldn't have left the stadium because he lost against Neji - he would have stayed. If he was unconscious after the fight, he would have been easy to find in the infirmary, where he likely would have mostly healed from Kyuubi's powers regardless.
That is assuming I stated all the info above, Again you just repeat yourerlf

Thus, they would have gotten there to save Sasuke anyway.
It's a horrible point. Hinata may have saved Naruto, but it was completely incidental. To the best of her knowledge, she would have died and Naruto would still have been pinned down and in worse emotional pain then before from seeing her get beaten in front of him.
I explained it above

If it weren't for Minato's failsafe, Naruto would have freed Kyuubi entirely, dying in the process and then Kyuubi probably would have destroyed what was left of Konoha.
At least Pain would not have taking Naruto. Than the whole world would have been doomed

Hinata saying I love you only made her "death" that much worse for Naruto. Naruto got the strength to actually fight back because of Minato's words to him, not anything Hinata did. And then he never thinks of Hinata romantically, or her actual confession itself, again ever in the manga.
lol no he wasn't - he told the entire academy class that he was going to become Hokage, no blushing or stuttering like Hinata.
Minato is more like Hinata than Sakura
Hinata did more than sakura did in that scene
Naruto would have beat Pain either way

Minato telling Kushina that she made him a man doesn't mean that he was unconfident before, especially when there is concrete evidence to the contrary.
You are basing your interpretation on an incorrect translation and totally ignoring the rest of her advice (find a girl like me).
Hinata made Naruto better Vice versa
How did Sakura improve Naruto.
Hinata has always supported his dreams and Sakura almost tried to stop them in the wrtting part of the chunnin exams
you can not have 2 of the same person in a relationship

There is zero evidence or signs that Naruto is falling for Hinata.
Hinata would have made things exponentially worse if it hadn't been for Minato.
She knew Naruto was fighting Pein, and when she last saw him, he was doing fine against him. There is nothing to show that she knew Naruto was actually in any trouble. So she was going around healing people, like Tsunade and villagers.
So Sakura standing their not helping is better than getting Naruto to fight Pain?
Naruto would want people to keep fighting for him not let the bad guys get away
Then she evacutated the villagers and tried to find Yamato. She did plenty.
She could have done exactly what Hinata did - get one-shotted by Pein. Sakura wouldn't have had to tell Naruto she loved him to get the same result, because HE loves HER.
Sakura gave up and ran away. This is not what naruto would want/do

Hinata's "I love you" is really not as significant to Naruto as you are making it out to be - has he even thought of those words ONCE since she said them? Has he shown to think of Hinata ANY differently than he did before she said that? No.Naruto did not think about Sakura saying I love you. Naruto had a better reaction to what Hinata said than what Sakura said
He's barely been through anything with her - aside from the log chat, which he never thought of again, her saving him and confessing, and then him saving her and giving her a pep talk (returning the favor as it were).
At least Hinata did not make Naruto suffer

On the other hand, he's been through so much with Sakura. The Chuunin exam preliminaries (where Sasuke was wiped out early on), the fight against Gaara, Sasuke's initial betrayal and leaving (Sakura confiding in Naruto about the curse seal, Naruto reassuring her, the POAL, the talk they had at the hospital after VOTE, the second bell test, learning about the fate of Jinchuuriki's, the death of Chiyo, and the rescue of Gaara, getting two new team mates, Naruto loosing himself to the Kyuubi's Jinchuuriki and Sakura getting hurt by it and then seeing first hand the effect it has on Naruto, meeting up with Sasuke against and loosing him again ("I'm still here, we'll get stronger together"), the talk they had in the hospital after the Kakuzu fight ("I'll be fine as long as I have you to fix me up! Actually, I feel really happy..."), having Sasuke slip through their fingers again on the search for Itachi mission, learning about the death sentence on Sasuke's head from Danzo & the confrontation with Omoi and Karui (learning more about Sasuke), and then the whole summit fiasco meeting Sasuke again. Now, Sakura is determined to be together with Naruto no matter what he says, to stand by him and support him along with everyone else, to make sure that he doesn't have to be alone anymore.

That is only because they are on the same team. ALong the way Sakura has caused Naruto pain and they have become like a family instead of lovers

So you expect Naruto and/or Sakura to ditch each other after everything THEY'VE been through together?
There is no vice versa - Naruto has shown her friendship; there is no evidence that he feels anything more than that for her.
It would be worse to get together with her when he doesn't feel the same.
Yet Naruto still has feelings for Hianta; Sakura still has unresolved feelings for Saskue.

Again, Naruto is the only one who's actually shown emotional pain at their love interest loving someone else.
He saved both, and asked both if they were okay. He thanked Hinata for saving him because that was something that was outstanding between them and quick to get out of the way - unlike the issues outstanding between him and Sakura (i.e. the stuff brought up at Sakura's confession).
Naruto could not even bare a sentence Sakura's way while the spent pages with Hinata

The only reason Naruto stayed to talk longer was becuase Kiba and Neji were suspicious of Naruto, and then Naruto saw she was upset and gave her a pep talk.
So Sakura does not need help all of a sudden?

Naruto was still blushing over Sakura after Hinata's confession. She is still the only girl he addresses with the affectionate -chan suffix. Until there is actual evidence to the contrary, he is still in love with Sakura, and has no romantic feelings for Hinata.
Not everyone says chan so it is not meant for all. Also Naruto yelled at Sakura after her confession. Naruto will love Sakura like a sister

Naruto was still in the hell of loneliness until Iruka and Team 7 saved him from it.
You are mixing filler with canon manga - this never happened in the manga.
You need to reread the manga. She was helping him out plenty in the beginning, and by the time the chuunin exams began (i.e. when Hinata was introduced), Sakura was showing genuine concern and care for Naruto (by trying to cheer him up when she thought he was scared at the very beginning of the exams, by being willing to quit the exam in order to preserve Naruto's impossible dream, by realizing during his fight with Kiba that she was wrong about her intitial negative perception of him, etc.).
Since when is being selfish in a relationship NOT a bad thing? Naruto's love for Sakura is selfless - he is constantly putting her feelings before his own, but still having respect for himself and her (i.e. his reaction to her false confession).
Sakura barely helped Naruto get out of lonieliess
what was filler?
Sakura still showed more conern for Saskue the whole Part I is Saskue-kun
Hinata gave better encouragement to Naruto
Naruto barely acknowleged Sakura's encouragemetn
Hinata wnet against Kiba to help Naruto with the meds

Then, in real time after Hinata's confession, Naruto blushes in reaction to Sakura's confession at the summit, confirming that he still has romantic feelings for her after Hinata's confession. Despite arguing with Sakura there, he is shown afterwards coming to understand that Sakura did what she did with his best interests at heart, and he hasn't been shown to think of her any different or treat her any differently since.
You are just repeating yourelf we went over this ^

You cannot assume that Naruto's feelings for Sakura have changed just because they haven't been brought up recently. How long did we go in part two without Sakura's romantic feelings for Sasuke being brought up while she was having onscreen positive development with Naruto? How long did we go between Hinata's confession and her just getting a thank you from Naruto for it?
They have been brought up in 559 right with Hinata and Ever since the Kakzu fight the NaruSaku flame has gone out

She was the straw that broke the camels back, not the sole reason. If she were, then wouldn't he have been thinking of her instead of anguishing over the question Pein posed him about achieving peace?
Along with the rest of the villagers.
Way do you keep saying the same thing. It is still more than what Sakura did. Naruto would not snap for just everyone
And then proceeds to completely ignore her until 558/559, despite numerous opportunities to talk with her, or at least confirm with her that she is alright.
And Naruto's feelings for Sakura haven't been shown to change because of that knowledge.
Sakura is shown to have a huge negative change in her mental perception of Sasuke, giving her currently the most negative view of her love interest.
You clearly see the Naruto clone staying to fight off the Zetzu in the area with her, just as all of the Naruto clones do.
Where is looking into each other's eyes a favorite motif of Kishi's? What exists between the ones you mentioned is understanding on the basis of relating to each other's pain.
naruto is on a war and has not been on missions with Hinata recently to hang with her. Naruto's love for Saskue trumps all and sakura just went with Naruto to try and fix everything but she failed. Saskura could not even kill Saskue so hwo does she hate Saskue now. Afterall Karin still loves him. The connection was more than Skaura has shown with Naruto

Naruto understands practically EVERYONE in the manga on some level, this isn't unique to him and Hinata.
Not shino.... so this is not unique to Sakura either

Naruto and Sakura have a much better understanding of one another for all they have gone through together.
Yes all of them went throught the pain that Sakura caused
Chapter 236 - "I trust you completely Naruto" - from Sakura. who would not turst him
Naruto cheers EVERYONE up; he's cheered up Sakura far more often than Hinata.
Hinata focuses on her feelings for Naruto ("I'VE always chased you Naruto, I will change after the war, wait for ME, I'M going to hold your hand after the war) instead of how to help Naruto or what Naruto might be going through, while Sakura is thinking of Naruto's burdens and how she is definitely going to help him this time no matter what he says. ("No matter what you say, we're going to be together this time. Not just me, everyone!")

thats because Sakura needs more help than Hinata. Hinata wants to be with Naruto while sakura just wants to be his friend
Sakura's line is incredibly reminiscent of Itachi's line to Naruto ("No matter how powerful you become, never try to shoulder everything alone. Otherwise, you will undoubtedly fail. Your father Minato could be Hokage because he had your mother Kushina AND all the others").

hinata had a more I lovve you tone
Sakura just wants to be like everybody else and be with him and stand with him like a friend; Speaking of everybody else Sakura only started liking him after the pain invasion
So not only are Sakura's thoughts far more selfless and considerate of Naruto, they seem to be far more significant as well.
She really hasn't. When was the last time she was on a chapter cover where she was the focus - her confession chapter I'm pretty sure.
chapter covers means nothing
hinata loves Naruto
Sakura.. friendzone

Movies and SD are off cannon


All of the NaruHina evidence shows is that Hinata is in love with Naruto, and Naruto considers her a friend. Thus, it could just as easily be about Hinata's character development, and taking care of the only thing left unresolved with her character, just like so many other characters are resolving loose threads with their characters (like Tsunade with Dan, Team 10 with Asuma, Sai with his brother, Kakashi with Zabuza, etc.)
Hinata and Naruto are friends aswell whats ur point

The chapter showed absolutely NOTHING romantic from Naruto to Hinata. No blushing, no softened gaze like the one he gave Sakura in 246, nothing to indicate anything beyond friendly affection, respect, and gratitude..
thats better than Naruto yelling at Sakura
quit repeating ur same info

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Here's my response to your response to my points:

Support as a kid: I’m not trying to say that their relationship started at a young age, just that Hinata has a better track record of supporting him (maybe not actively, but in her heart) compared to Sakura who actively put him down when they were kids.

Forbidden Interaction: Maybe it wasn’t explicitly stated in the manga that the children were forbidden from interacting with him, but there are multiple chapters shown where the adults tell the kids to stay away from him. Chapter 568 is a recent example. Hiashi didn’t like outsiders or even Neji interacting with Hinata-do you honestly think she had free reign to go and hang out with Naruto? Come on…

Naruto+Sakura Part 1 Relationship: Hmmm-Maybe you’re the one that needs to reread the manga. Helping him a lot before the Chunin Exams-you mean the one time she grudgingly agreed to give him tips on Chakra control? I guess you conveniently forgot all the times she called him an idiot or completely ignored him and fawned over Sasuke. Yes, she cheers for him during the Chunin Exams, but whenever Sasuke is around she completely forgets about Naruto.

Selfishness: Everyone has a bit of selfishness in them-every action we take is guided by that. We always choose the option that will make us most happy (or think will make us the most happy), even if on the surface it doesn’t seem that way. The problem with your point is Hinata has never done anything detrimental to Naruto because of her selfishness-unless you want to argue that sitting and watching the person you love die is better than trying to save them, because they didn’t want you to get involved/hurt.

Sakura's Confession: Sai’s flashback was before Hinata’s confession. A blush is not a confirmation of romantic feelings-that’s your interpretation because you’re a NaruSaku shipper. Of course he’d react that way if someone he’d cared about for a while said that to him. It caught him off guard-if anything Naruto was more shocked than happy. You keep going on about how Naruto’s feelings for Sakura haven’t changed-well, he did shut her down when she told him that she loved him. He didn’t cuss at her or anything, but what’s he suppose to do? He still really likes her and has a special bond with her, but he doesn’t love her.

Time between romance coverage: Sakura didn’t have a huge moment like Naruto did with someone else telling her that they loved her. Thus, it’s assumed that she still loved Sasuke. When Sai (not Naruto) told Sakura that Naruto loved her she got shut down by Naruto and has proved multiple times that she still loves Sasuke no matter what-even though she knows she shouldn’t.

Naruto's non-response to Hinata: Naruto hasn’t had time to talk one on one with Hinata about her Confession since Pain’s attack, right afterwards he was probably still processing it, because he was so shocked by it and he’s been away from Konoha ever since.

Kyuubi Transformation: I never said Hinata was the sole reason, but she was the major factor. The “peace reason” was extremely important to the plot in that it was what caused the villagers to be revived by Pain and Naruto’s major motivation for fighting in the war.

Naruto learns Hinata's alive: Yes, he’s happy the other villagers are alive, but he thinks of her and starts crying and rejoicing after he has located her specific chakra.

Opportunities to talk: What are these numerous opportunities to talk with her? Unless you are counting the immediate aftermath of the invasion and the short time he’s back from the Land of Iron. Don’t worry, if anything Chapter 573 confirms that the Confession will be addressed, there just hasn’t been the right time yet.

Naruto's feelings for Sakura: Naruto’s feelings for Sakura have evolved just like hers have for him. It started out as a crush on his part, and loathing and annoyance on her part and has turned into a trusting, caring, Brother/Sister relationship.

In Chapter 3 Naruto discovers why he likes Sakura-the only time his motivation for liking her is explained in the manga. Do you know what his motivation is? Why he likes her? He liked her because she was desperate to be acknowledged (by Sasuke). Hmmm…who in the manga is desperate to be acknowledged? And by Naruto no less-oh right, that’s Hinata. Who else has the Nindo to never give up; instead of just relying on your teammates to do everything for you?-oh right, Hinata.

Chapter 540: Sakura may be frowning when she thinks of Sasuke, but the cliffhanger of “Who is the person that Sakura has already?” is answered to be Sasuke, not Naruto. Also, in the same chapter Hinata reaffirms her desire to protect Naruto-coincidence? I think not.

Chapter 558: What I was getting at is Kishi plays off the Sakura rescue as no big deal. The Hinata rescue on the other hand is made to seem important with a bigger panel showing the rescue and multiple panels of just Hinata’s reaction.

Eyes motif: Are you kidding? Kishi loves eyes-Sharingan, Rinnegan, Byakugan, etc. He also uses them along the lines of the classical “window to the soul”. There are so many times when the state of someone’s mind/soul are commented on according to how their eyes look. Sasuke, Gaara, Neji are prime examples. The understanding of pain is assessed by…you guessed it-looking into their eyes. What is unique to Naruto and Hinata is that they could understand each other and seemingly have a mental conversation just through looking into each other’s eyes. IIRC Naruto has only done this with Gaara and Sasuke before-two major relationships in his life. Naruto and Sakura do have a very strong understanding of one another and yet have never been shown to communicate/understand each other through their eyes.

Implicit trust: The quote about only Hinata implicitly trusting Naruto was out of context. Hinata was the only one at the battlefield Naruto arrived at that implicitly trusted him. Neji, Kiba, and the others weren’t sure if it was really him.

Chapter 573: Okay, so Sakura saying we’re here for you is now some deep statement…? What I was getting at, and you danced around, was that Hinata’s statement was romantically focused and hinting at the resolution (for better or worse) of her confession and feelings for Naruto. Sakura was just being supportive-nothing romantic about what she said at all. Your interpretation of who is a better person/more selfless has nothing to do with manga hinting at pairings.

Chapter covers: Nope- she was on a chapter cover when the Pain vs. Naruto fight ended, and she was on the magazine cover about two or three weeks ago. I can’t remember the last time Sakura was on a chapter cover for that matter either. It’s mostly because Kishi doesn’t do many chapter covers anymore. NaruSaku is on the latest ending-plz, Naruhina was on the last ending and the animators aren’t Kishi-the Rock Lee Anime showing NaruSaku is an even worse source.
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At least Hinata did not discourage Naruto like Everybody else did. Hinata was forbbiden to talk to him just like most kids. She was unaware of the beast that was inside of him. Hinata was the only one in his age group that always loved and believed in him. Naruto even saved her from bullies and he barely knew her. Already Hinata as done more than Sakura. At least Hinata wanted to get to know him. Sakura could care less.

While Hinata wasn't shown to openly (Or secretly) discourage Naruto, she wasn't shown to openly support him either. She watched him struggle from afar, knowning his pain of loneliness and not helping. Her being forbidden to talk to him is entirely filler, not canon (as is the bully scene). Even if it was shown she was not allowed to go near Naruto it still does not excuse Hinata drawing strength from Naruto's own struggles. It doesn't matter if someone was the only one who loved and believed in someone when the person in question is oblivious to it.

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Hinata knew how powerful Kiba was. Hinata had no clue how strong Naruto has gotten. So obviously she would think Kiba is stronger. Everyone had their bets on Kiba due to past knowledge. Hinata still wanted Naruto to win. She was constantly worried and she was exstatic that Naruto won instead of kiba.... what does Tobi have to do with this??? Hinata had faith in him when he fought Neji. that is even more impressive cuz most ppl thought neji would win.
It doesn't matter if she knew Kiba was stronger or not. She was still shown to think Naruto was down and out, and Kiba was likely to win. When Naruto kept getting back up that's when she grew ecstatic to believe Naruto could win.

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It would be sooo uncool to cheer for the enemy. Hinata is not that mean. Nobody cheered for the opposite of their own teammate. Sakura only cheered for Naruto cuz Naruto yelled his butt off for sakura. Hinata has a kind and quiet natrue so she can not cheer very well. BUT!!!!!!!!! SHe did give Naruto the confidence to beat Neji. If Hinata did not do that the leaf would have been destroyed
Er...Sakura cheered for Naruto because she knew and acknowledged Naruto's growth. Not because Naruto cheered for her. The village not being destroyed has nothing to do with Hinata. Naruto wanting to protect those he loved is what saved the village.

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Look at my list above my confused friend. If Hinata did not encourage Naruto then Naruto would have lost and would be unfit to fight Garra
Naruto wanted to fight Neji, even if he was at first rather nervous. Hinata's pep talk made him feel better, but he was still determined to fight and beat Neji regardless. When Neji asked Naruto why it bothered him so much Naruto explains that he was seen by others as a loser and Neji calling Hinata weak gave Naruto the encourage to beat Neji on behave of all losers. Naruto fighting to beat Gaara was encouraged by his own need to protect those who saved him from loneliness. When fighting Gaara Hinata was never once in Naruto's thoughts.

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Hinata did what was Right. Neji chose hatred over his own family. He wanted to kill Hinata and he destroyed her with just words. Neji did not even know the whole story yet he was blinded by rage. At least Hinata chose love over her family instead of hate.
Neji hated the Main House because his father was sacrificed to protect the secrets of the Byakugan. Sure Neji choose hatred but he also did choose his own family. His bitterness came from his dad's death. Hinata instead choose to be more supportive of a boy who at first hardly noticed her. And even though her father now views his daughter as an equal to Neji, Hinata still focuses more on Naruto. You say "at least" like this is a good thing. It really isn't.

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When has their been a NaruSaku moment lately?
What makes you think "lately" is more important than "whole"? NaruSaku fans argue that there's been NaruSaku moments thoughtout the whole manga. NaruHina fans argue that there's been NaruHina moments lately in the manga.

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Chapter 559 says it all. Naruto and Hinata are way more than friends. They had a connection with they eyes. They could tell what each other was thinking and encouraged each other.
A connection with the eyes does not mean Naruto is having the same feelings for Hinata as she does for him. She was self-doubting herself and Naruto encouraged her, ironically repeating the "in your eyes" phrase Hinata had used moments before. There was no need for the "in your eyes" comment to read that Hinata was self-doubting when her body language (downward tilt of her head, downcast eyes and down-turned mouth) showed she was worrying about something. There was also no need for the eyes comment to see Hinata was strong when Naruto acklowedged her strength a long time ago.

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Kushina INSPIRED Minato to declare he wanted to be Hokage. Even Minato said Kushinia made him the man he was today. chapter 503 pg 155- Minato thanks wife for making him into a man. Young minato was also quiet and calm like Hinata. How are those two different. He defeinetly is not like Sakura
Chapter 503, page 15?
Minato: You made me your husband... You made me into the forth Hokage... You made me this boy's father! And I...
If that is the part you're talking about then none of these show that it was Kushina who inspired Minato to declare he wanted to be Hokage. He was shown to state his dream without hesitation or thought of Kushina.

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But Sakura was the first one that Naruto noticed and spent the most time with. So Sakura was the first girl to come naruto's way
No, that just means Naruto came Sakura's way. Sakura came Naruto's way because they were put on the same team. Since Kushina was talking about girlfriends "first girl to come your way" would be in a romantic sense, not a platonic one. Hinata was the first girl to come to Naruto romantically. Sakura did so platonically.

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Sakura is also the emotion pain/stress that Naruto has to beat due to the promise that Sakura forced naruto to make.
"Also"? So you acknowledge that while Sakura does cause Naruto emotionally pain, she's also is his emotional support?

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naruto USED to love Sakura. Chpater 559 says it all on their latest status. Naruto and Hinata had a connection with the eyes and they talked for pages. naruto barely said a sentence to Sakura
That chapter shows Naruto encouraging someone (Hinata). It does not shown Naruto's vocal or inner change of feelings for Sakura. Naruto and Hinata talk for pages, Naruto and Sakura talk for chapters.

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Sakura has not even shown emotional loving feelings to Naruto lately nor vice versa. Their relationship has gotten colder than ice. Naruto no longer has interest in Sakura.
Uh...where is this "colder than ice" relationship between Naruto and Sakura. While we're at it, show Naruto voicing or thinking he's no longer interested in Sakura.

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Hinata and Naruto spend a shorter time together so having a connection with the eyes is even more romantic than 2 ppl who were on the same team
Naruto and Sakura being in the same team makes their relationship no less romantic, platonic or any way unimportant than Naruto's relationship with a girl who isn't in his team. What's important that, Sakura and Hinata, Naruto has someone he can connect to.

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That is only because they are on the same team. Sakura also causes Naruto the MOST PAIN. like I stated above. WIth that crule promise and lying to Naruto to his face was just creul. IT was not helping at all. If Sakura REALLY knew Naruto and if they had a connection than Sakura would not have done that.
No, it because Sakura was willing to change her previous negative thoughts of Naruto. Being in the same team gave Sakura a way to better see Naruto, but it was her own willingness to change her previous thoughts of him and to become Naruto's emotional support. Being in the same team makes that no less important.

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The main characters will fall in love SAKURAxSASKUE
Um...Naruto and Sasuke are the main characters. Sakura is a main, but is treated less so than Sasuke or Kakashi. SasukexNaruto?

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Naruto USED to want Sakura. When is the last time he said he "wanted" Skaura. Who does Sakura want... SAKSUE!!! Naruto has tread Sakura differently he does not love her like she used to. Naruto has paid way more attention to Hinata than Sakura. Sakura also calls Saskue Saskue-kun. Naruto and Sakura are like brother and sister so they love each other but not in a sexual way.
Naruto may have not said he wanted Sakura for a while, but he has not said he doesn't want her.

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  • she is jealous Hinata has gotten to Naruto first
Seriously?

  • Naruto is glad Hinata is alright
And the villagers.

  • soooooo? Hinata is not going to barge in and say get off my man
Yet there is still no expression nor inner thought that Hinata wants to do exacty that.
  • perfect time for SakuraxSaskue
Explain?

  • It is said if an emotionless boy has to tell a stupid lovesick girul (with Saskue) that another guy USED to like them. Sakura is selfish and stupid
When did Sai say "used to"?

  • Sakura cries again instead of taking action.
What does this have to do with a flashback showing Naruto loves Sakura?


  • Sakura cries more and begs Shikamaru to stop. Sakura can not take this pain and she is ashamed of herself
She still focuses on Naruto's emotional pain. And not to doubt it, but I don't recall Sakura crying and begging Shikamaru to stop.


  • Sakura fails and causes Naruto even more pain
You heard the very common saying of "it's the thought that counts"? Sakura wanted to ease Naruto's burden and failed due to her own feelings. She still wanted to help him and her last thought in the war is that she STILL wants to aid him.

  • Sakura is worried and concerned for Saskue
Regardless of her love for him, Sasuke is still an ex-teammate and Sakura is still realising that they guy she used to know is not the same person.


  • like you said she still loves Saskue
...with a huge negative change in her thoughts.

  • meanwhile he has a converstation with Hinata
Nice. He still asks Sakura if she's OK.
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Sakura really did not do much. It was mostly Iruka, Kakashi, and Saskue. Sakura just cuased Naruto pain. Naruto helped plenty of people
Sakura may not have did much, but Naruto clearly said she was one of the ones who saved him from loneliness. "Much" is not the same meaning of "nothing".
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and only Hinata told Naruto that she truely loved him
By using "and" you're agreeing that Sakura does make Naruto happy. Even if you add that only Hinata told Naruto she loves him.

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Hinata did the important cheering. She encourage naruto to successfully beat Neji. As always Sakura jsut has more knowledge of Naruto cuz they are on the same team. They are more like bro n sis
Important cheering? Any type of cheering is important. Once again, being on the same team makes Sakura's cheering of Naruto no less important. It was Naruto's personal feelings for seeing others viewed as losers that encouraged him to beat Neji.

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You are just repeating what you said.... this is why your post is soo long cuz you repeat yourself I stated this ABOVE
They're making a reply to your post. If there's repeats perhaps it's because your post requires them. You yourself have been repetitive.

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You can not prove that Naruto would have won without it. Naruto felt better after the talk
Since you've been saying "with Hinata Naruto would have lost" it would be you who needs to prove that Naruto would have lost without her. Even though the manga clearly shows that Naruto was determined to win without Hinata's speech due to having a personal issue with Neji seeing others as losers.


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Sakura gave up and ran away. This is not what naruto would want/do
Naruto wanted them to stay out of the way.

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Naruto did not think about Sakura saying I love you. Naruto had a better reaction to what Hinata said than what Sakura said
Naruto didn't think about Hinata saying I love you either.
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That is only because they are on the same team. ALong the way Sakura has caused Naruto pain and they have become like a family instead of lovers
I said it before and since I know your stubbornness and ignorance I'll say it again. Being on the same team does not make what make what they did for one another any less important. She has caused Naruto pain and happiness.

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Yet Naruto still has feelings for Hianta; Sakura still has unresolved feelings for Saskue.
Naruto has no feelings for Hinata. He's shown her friendship. Sakura has unresolved feelings for Sasuke, but Naruto has unresolved feelings for Sakura. Even if he did have feelings for Hinata his feelings for Sakura are still unresolved.

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Naruto could not even bare a sentence Sakura's way while the spent pages with Hinata
Naruto and Sakura have an understanding. There was no need for him to "bare a sentence". He asked if she was OK and made a teasing comment. He spent pages with Hinata 'cause she needed a pep talk and he was willing to give her one.

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So Sakura does not need help all of a sudden?
This question doesn't answer Sselinde's comment. You keep dancing around what they say.

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Also Naruto yelled at Sakura after her confession.
Naruto didn't yell at Sakura. He held her by the shoulders and firmly told her he hates those who lie to themselves. And even if his feelings for Sakura is like sister or will be like one, it doesn't erase the fact that Naruto views Hinata with no romantic feelings.

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Sakura barely helped Naruto get out of lonieliess
what was filler?
Sakura still showed more conern for Saskue the whole Part I is Saskue-kun
Naruto said Sakura was one one of the ones who helped him from loneliness. And "barely" is not the same as "never". It's better to barely help then to never help.
Part 2 shows her having more concern for Naruto. You talk about "lately" with NaruHina, but with NaruSaku and SasuSaku you use the past.

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Naruto and Hinata as kids: So you’re trying to argue that Hinata being inspired by Naruto is a bad thing? As shy as Hinata is now it would’ve been impossible for her to talk to him as a little girl, especially when she was told to stay away from him. And she did cheer for him-see the Sasuke vs. Naruto flashback during the war. She was just drowned out by the other kids cheering for Sasuke. I don’t see how she could be worse than Sakura who probably knew as much about Naruto as Hinata did and actively put him down.

Vs. Neji: This was the one time that Naruto was feeling down on himself and unconfident, he wasn’t showing his usual drive to beat an opponent and prove himself. He wasn’t in the right mindset to win. Hinata snapped him out of it. I agree that the part about the leaf being destroyed without the pep-talk is a stretch though.

Naruhina “lately”: Of course we’re focusing on the recent manga, because Hinata is a supporting character, not a main character like Sakura and hasn’t had nearly the amount of panel time over the entire course of the series. Ever after the confession however, there have been more and more NaruHina moments and she has been getting nearly as much panel time as Sakura (granted, this is mostly because Sakura has been getting less panel time than usual). And even with all the panel time Naruto and Sakura have had together Sakura has not once told Naruto she loved him (genuinely) or done anything to suggest she has romantic feelings for him. The last time Naruto showed romantic affection for Sakura was before Hinata’s confession.

Chapter 559/Eyes: You just supported our case with your comments. There was no need for Naruto to say “in your eyes” due to body language, etc….but he did. Kishi loves eyes for some reason and likes to underline important relationships/ deep understanding through people reading others through their eyes. See my earlier posts on the subject.

Kushina’s Comments: They can be stretched and interpreted to support both pairings.

“Show Naruto voicing he’s no longer interested in Sakura”: Ummm…Sakura’s confession. He had a chance to be with her and shut her down. Spare me the “he was just respecting her feelings”. At this point Naruto has realized that Sakura doesn’t and will never love him over Sasuke-he’s moved on.

A major point that NaruSaku shippers bring up is that Naruto has never explicitly stated that he has feelings for Hinata. This is true, but it would make sense that he does. The only time Naruto explained why he liked Sakura was in Chapter 3-the reason was that she was desperate to be acknowledged (by Sasuke). Hinata is the same way-about Naruto. Hinata and Naruto share the same Nindo, they were both outsiders/had a painful past-they have a lot in common.

Let’s see how things stand with the possible pairings stand now and how they would be at the end:
NaruSaku:
Naruto’s feelings for Sakura: ?
Sakura’s feelings for Naruto: Not there-she loves Sasuke.
Naruto has respected Sakura’s need to be with Sasuke multiple times and has stepped aside so they could be together. Even if Sasuke were to die or Sakura were to change her mind and choose Naruto over him, Naruto would always remain the “Second Choice”. For a while Naruto has realized that Sakura only loves Sasuke and he’s moved on.

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Naruto’s feelings for Hinata:?
Hinata’s feelings for Naruto: Loves him 100%
Hinata obviously loves Naruto and he likely has some kind of feelings for her due to their similar personalities and the interactions they’ve had after the confession. Hinata would not be the “Second Choice” in this situation because Naruto has already moved on from Sakura.

SasuSaku:
Sasuke’s feelings for Sakura: Not there-he tried to kill her.
Sakura’s feelings for Sasuke: Still loves him even though she knows she shouldn’t.
This pairing is very unlikely due to Sasuke’s zero interest in Sakura and girls in general. But, who knows? Sakura still loves him and he’s gotten a bit less psycho/ more mature lately.

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To answer your "P.S", Godaime Kazekage, yes, my post is only having a portion posted. It just did it while I was replying back and I ended up losing a huge chunk of it.

Thankfully I managed to get it back.


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Naruto and Hinata as kids: So you’re trying to argue that Hinata being inspired by Naruto is a bad thing? As shy as Hinata is now it would’ve been impossible for her to talk to him as a little girl, especially when she was told to stay away from him. And she did cheer for him-see the Sasuke vs. Naruto flashback during the war. She was just drowned out by the other kids cheering for Sasuke. I don’t see how she could be worse than Sakura who probably knew as much about Naruto as Hinata did and actively put him down.
No, I'm arguing that Hinata knowing of Naruto's pain and using it to encourage herself while not even trying to help him is a bad thing. Regardless if she was told to stay away, was too shy or had her voice drowned out by others, she was still one of the many villagers who did not openly try to befriend Naruto.
I didn't say she was worse than Sakura. Being ignorant of someone's pain and actively putting them down, that's a terrible thing to do.
But knowing someone is pained by loneliness and for whatever reason not helping them, instead choosing to feed of their strength is just as bad.

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Naruhina “lately”: Of course we’re focusing on the recent manga, because Hinata is a supporting character, not a main character like Sakura and hasn’t had nearly the amount of panel time over the entire course of the series. Ever after the confession however, there have been more and more NaruHina moments and she has been getting nearly as much panel time as Sakura (granted, this is mostly because Sakura has been getting less panel time than usual). And even with all the panel time Naruto and Sakura have had together Sakura has not once told Naruto she loved him (genuinely) or done anything to suggest she has romantic feelings for him. The last time Naruto showed romantic affection for Sakura was before Hinata’s confession.
So, we're focusing on "lately" to make things fair for a support character? Reminds me of how people use anime/fillers to make things "fair" (which most of the time doesn't). I'll say what I said before "NaruSaku fans argue that there's been NaruSaku moments thoughtout the whole manga. NaruHina fans argue that there's been NaruHina moments lately in the manga.". You're not arguing that "lately" is more important because the author states so, but because it should be focused on to give Hinata (a support character) a fair chance.

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Chapter 559/Eyes: You just supported our case with your comments. There was no need for Naruto to say “in your eyes” due to body language, etc….but he did. Kishi loves eyes for some reason and likes to underline important relationships/ deep understanding through people reading others through their eyes. See my earlier posts on the subject.
The "case" was that they were trying to argue there was a special reading of the eyes connection that showed how close Hinata and Naruto were when I was pointing out that due to Hinata's body langauge and previous knowledge of Hinata's strength there is no such "special connection". I didn't support the case or crumble that NaruHina scene completely, I just made it less "special". But, yes, Kishimoto sure does love eyes.

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“Show Naruto voicing he’s no longer interested in Sakura”: Ummm…Sakura’s confession. He had a chance to be with her and shut her down. Spare me the “he was just respecting her feelings”. At this point Naruto has realized that Sakura doesn’t and will never love him over Sasuke-he’s moved on.
As displeased he is by Sakura lying to herself and as much as he knows it's unlikely Sakura will never love him over Sasuke, nothing outright states he has moved on.

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A major point that NaruSaku shippers bring up is that Naruto has never explicitly stated that he has feelings for Hinata. This is true, but it would make sense that he does. The only time Naruto explained why he liked Sakura was in Chapter 3-the reason was that she was desperate to be acknowledged (by Sasuke). Hinata is the same way-about Naruto. Hinata and Naruto share the same Nindo, they were both outsiders/had a painful past-they have a lot in common.
As much as it would make sense, the point is that NaruHina shippers say Naruto does have feelings for Hinata. He has never stated so.

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Let’s see how things stand with the possible pairings stand now and how they would be at the end:
NaruSaku:
Naruto’s feelings for Sakura: ?
Sakura’s feelings for Naruto: Not there-she loves Sasuke.
Naruto has respected Sakura’s need to be with Sasuke multiple times and has stepped aside so they could be together. Even if Sasuke were to die or Sakura were to change her mind and choose Naruto over him, Naruto would always remain the “Second Choice”. For a while Naruto has realized that Sakura only loves Sasuke and he’s moved on.
If it's bad for Naruto to be Sakura's "second choice" is it bad for Hinata to be Naruto's "second choice"? Is being "second choice" actually a bad thing?
Once again, nothing outright states Naruto has moved on.

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Naruto’s feelings for Hinata:?
Hinata’s feelings for Naruto: Loves him 100%
Hinata obviously loves Naruto and he likely has some kind of feelings for her due to their similar personalities and the interactions they’ve had after the confession. Hinata would not be the “Second Choice” in this situation because Naruto has already moved on from Sakura.
That makes no sense. If Naruto has "moved on" from Sakura that would mean Naruto had first chosen Sakura. Which means Hinata is, in fact, "second choice".
And Naruto's "likely feelings" for Hinata has shown to be friendship. The interactions after the confession is by no means different to what they were before. Naruto encourages Hinata, knows her strength and acknowledges that she helped him (Both with Neji and with Pain, he thanked her for both those times).

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SasuSaku:
Sasuke’s feelings for Sakura: Not there-he tried to kill her.
Sakura’s feelings for Sasuke: Still loves him even though she knows she shouldn’t.
This pairing is very unlikely due to Sasuke’s zero interest in Sakura and girls in general. But, who knows? Sakura still loves him and he’s gotten a bit less psycho/ more mature lately.
Wonderful. So SasuSaku gets another chance because Psycho Sasuke lately has been turning into a good boy?
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To answer your "P.S", Godaime Kazekage, yes, my post is only having a portion posted. It just did it while I was replying back and I ended up losing a huge chunk of it.

Thankfully I managed to get it back.
Okay, so it's not just me

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No, I'm arguing that Hinata knowing of Naruto's pain and using it to encourage herself while not even trying to help him is a bad thing. Regardless if she was told to stay away, was too shy or had her voice drowned out by others, she was still one of the many villagers who did not openly try to befriend Naruto.
I didn't say she was worse than Sakura. Being ignorant of someone's pain and actively putting them down, that's a terrible thing to do.
But knowing someone is pained by loneliness and for whatever reason not helping them, instead choosing to feed of their strength is just as bad.
The thing is you're condemning a shy little girl with no self esteem for not reaching out to someone. From my own personal experiences I know how hard it is to approach someone you admire-and I don't have nearly the same confidence issues that Hinata had or was told by my parents to stay away from these people.

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So, we're focusing on "lately" to make things fair for a support character? Reminds me of how people use anime/fillers to make things "fair" (which most of the time doesn't). I'll say what I said before "NaruSaku fans argue that there's been NaruSaku moments thoughtout the whole manga. NaruHina fans argue that there's been NaruHina moments lately in the manga.". You're not arguing that "lately" is more important because the author states so, but because it should be focused on to give Hinata (a support character) a fair chance.
I agree that anime fillers should not be used. However there are plenty of NaruHina moments in Part 1 as well. In fact pretty much every moment they're together is a NaruHina moment (mostly focusing on Hinata admiring Naruto, but still). Hinata helping Naruto cheat or her pep talk are moments for example. The focus on recent findings is because there was a huge moment for the pairing in her Confession and ever since there has been more and more NaruHina moments and no NaruSaku moments.


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If it's bad for Naruto to be Sakura's "second choice" is it bad for Hinata to be Naruto's "second choice"? Is being "second choice" actually a bad thing?
Once again, nothing outright states Naruto has moved on.

That makes no sense. If Naruto has "moved on" from Sakura that would mean Naruto had first chosen Sakura. Which means Hinata is, in fact, "second choice".
Maybe I didn't explain myself well in that section. What I was trying to say is that for almost the whole manga Naruto has respected Sakura's feelings for Sasuke and his reaction from Sakura's Confession makes clear that he believes they belong together. If Sakura suddenly switches to Naruto at the end there will always be the feeling that Sakura should really be with Sasuke instead and he's the second option.

Hinata is not a "Second Choice" if he's moved on from Sakura. She'd only be the second choice if Naruto really wanted to be with Sakura, but couldn't so he dated Hinata instead or Hinata believed that Naruto would be happier with Sakura instead of her.

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And Naruto's "likely feelings" for Hinata has shown to be friendship. The interactions after the confession is by no means different to what they were before. Naruto encourages Hinata, knows her strength and acknowledges that she helped him (Both with Neji and with Pain, he thanked her for both those times).
The "eye part" shows a new depth to their relationship and a romantic moment between Naruto's clone and Hinata during the war wouldn't make sense.

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Wonderful. So SasuSaku gets another chance because Psycho Sasuke lately has been turning into a good boy?
Yeah, this pairing doesn't really have a chance, but I don't want to step on the hopes and dreams of any remaining SasuSaku shippers
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The thing is you're condemning a shy little girl with no self esteem for not reaching out to someone. From my own personal experiences I know how hard it is to approach someone you admire-and I don't have nearly the same confidence issues that Hinata had or was told by my parents to stay away from these people.
She gets praised for basically doing nothing. Regardless of reason, she didn't do anything to influence him.

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I agree that anime fillers should not be used. However there are plenty of NaruHina moments in Part 1 as well. In fact pretty much every moment they're together is a NaruHina moment (mostly focusing on Hinata admiring Naruto, but still). Hinata helping Naruto cheat or her pep talk are moments for example. The focus on recent findings is because there was a huge moment for the pairing in her Confession and ever since there has been more and more NaruHina moments and no NaruSaku moments.
"Mostly focusing on Hinata admiring Naruto" being the key sentence. Apart from Naruto going from seeing Hinata as a dark weirdo to a strong and a capable friend, it's entire development is focused from Hinata's POV.

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Hinata is not a "Second Choice" if he's moved on from Sakura. She'd only be the second choice if Naruto really wanted to be with Sakura, but couldn't so he dated Hinata instead or Hinata believed that Naruto would be happier with Sakura instead of her.
Naruto does really want to be with Sakura. The reason why he'd move on is that people argue Sakura loves someone else and Naruto can't have her. Sakura would be the "first choice" he could not have and therefore would give up, which would make Hinata the "second choice".

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Well, aren't you just polite?
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Ever notice how the BEST couples in Naruto are opposite???

Here are some examples:
Shikamaru's parents
Sakura's Paretns
Naruto's parents

Opposites attact so NaruHina would be perfect
just like how ShikTema is perfect. Sakura and Saskue are opposite but they have a connection

Also rewatching how sakura would do ANYTHING not to see Saskue go is so INTENSE. Feelings like that do not just go away. Sakura does not like Naruto as much as Saskue. For some reason girls love him even when he tries to kill you
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Ever notice how the BEST couples in Naruto are opposite???

Here are some examples:
Shikamaru's parents
Sakura's Paretns
Naruto's parents
If you notice with Naruto's & Shikamaru's parent, they both have a tsundere type woman, which would fit Sakura, you're ignoring the fact that Shika & Minato aren't shy & do not lack confidence, unlike Hinata.

Ignoring the fact that NaruSaku & NaruHina are potential couples, just like Jiraya & Tsunade/Obito & Rin were, which both have similar history with NaruSaku. The difference being that Jiraya never got the chance to date Tsunade, Tsunade was gonna open up too him if he came back alive, which he didn't, they failed, and have regrets now. Obito never got the chance to tell Rin he loves her, Rin liked Kakashi from the beginning, but started to look at Obito in a different way after his death, they failed, and Obito became evil. The point is Naruto and Sakura are likely not meant to make the same mistakes.


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just like how ShikTema is perfect. Sakura and Saskue are opposite but they have a connection
Shikamaru & Temari aren't a couple, Sasuke & Sakura have no connection at all, Sasuke has NO FEELINGS for Sakura.

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Which was over 3 years ago.

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Feelings like that do not just go away.
You can said the same for Naruto in that case.

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As of what we know now that's true.

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That hasn't be confirmed as of now.

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^well as for the last part there's karin but that's. The only one truly confirmed
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^Which is assumption, not confirmation, only Sakura can confirm.
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@Narutorious

It's not that they have a loud women its that THEY ARE OPPOSITE. I did not say Shik was quiet/shy he is lazy and his mom was caring/shows compassion to her son and cares about him and make sure he does right the father is more laid back

Jiryria and Tsunade did go on a date. Huh? how are they not likely to make the same mistakes??

Wow really?!?! Shikamaru and Temari obviously have feelings for each!! They are bassically a couple. Saskue does not have feelings for sakura now but neither does Naruto.

EXACTLy even after 3yrs her passion still burns. She would leave the village/ kill for him. Feelings do not just go away even when he tried to kill her. Sakura still loves him. She wants the bring hiim back. If she would have Saskue back she would not just be cool with it she would be all over him. She would be grateful to Naruto but she LOVES Saskue. Sakura and Narto are like family. Naruto would just be doing her a favor.

Naruto has not shown intense feelings for sakura that match up to what Sakura had for Saskue.

Karin still has feelings for saskue. Also why did you only quote part of what I said.... hmmmm???
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^ as long as it is not NaruSaku then I agree... not about the sucking part though
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