Hashirama Senju vs Naruto

[PrinceofPeace]

How does Naruto beat Wood Release: Advent of a World of Flowering Trees
or
Hokage-Style Sixty-Year-Old Technique — Enclosed Hermitage Entering Society with Bliss-Bringing Hands


Plus Kurama mode would give Hasiirama's wood style MORE POWER

DO NOT FOREGET: They are both wearing the First Hokage's Necklace

[Godaime Kazekage]

@HashiramaSenju: Similar to the case with Madara, Hashirama can't control a tailed beast within a Jinchuuriki. Also, as far as chakra suppression goes, Hashirama's wood style would first have to catch and restrain Bijuu Mode Naruto (again, not fast or strong enough, and if it did-Naruto could have clones or toads bail him out).

Where exactly are you basing your statement that Naruto isn't as strong as regular Madara?? Madara would've been toast within one chapter if he hadn't activated his Rinnegan.

Finally, Hashirama hasn't stopped an "energy ball" from a tailed beast. Don't make statements without facts.

@PrinceofPeace: Once again you make a statement with no evidence to back it up-Hashirama has never been shown to defend against a TBB.

Wood style<<<<Mountains<<<<TBB

As already stated, pollen can't get through chakra cloak-assuming there are even flowers to make pollen after being blown up by a TBB or Rasenshuriken.

6 tailed Naruto broke the necklace like a twig.

Assuming Hashirama's trees can stop a TBB (which they can't)-how does he survive these possible strategies of Naruto: A barrage of 15+ Rasenshurikens at the same time, thrown from clones that can move faster than lightning armor Raikage, attacks from multiple Boss Frogs along with Ma and Pa's genjutsu, or thousands of clones with giant rasengans?

Naruto can counter everything Hashirama has, but Hashirama can't keep up with current Naruto who has clones that are Kage level, is the fastest ninja alive, and is immune to Genjutsu.

[Stoffy Uzumaki :)]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

location: hashirama is inside the forest of death and Naruto 20feet away from the forest hashirama has full prep and knowledge naruto knows the hype of Hashirama but not the details like his jutsu or prep Both are wearing the 1st hokage's necklace Both are in character ( Naruto wants to prove he can be a great hokage if he beats him) ( Hashirama wants to take back his village and He thinks the Nine-Tails is still evil and is going to betray Naruto and the village soon) ALL FEATS Who wins I say the 1st wins cuz he used to the bijuu and wood style is crazy. Naruto has to stay away from the forest of death. He could spam TBB but Hashirama's defences are crazy THOUGHTS??

Naruto will win for sure

[PrinceofPeace]

care to explain

[TheIndigoFang]

Hashirama has the CELLS!!! Like Yamoto he can stop the nine tails.

[PrinceofPeace]

Agreed he is the master at controlling bijju and has AMwesome wood style jutsu's


THE CELLS THE CELLS FEAR THE CELLS

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

not much is known about Hashirama, but knowing that he beat Madara, then the Shodaime is like a God. He is able to control the tailed beasts and could control the kyuubi and/or naruto.
Yamato did admint that his Mokuton wasn't as strong as Hashirama's. But I could imagine how much stronger his is.

Hashirama does somewhat have the advantage with the forest surrounding him. but then again, naruto could blow it away. when he does, Hashirama could use that chance to escape and attack naruto.
probably could grow a tree around naruto and squash him.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

@HashiramaSenju: Similar to the case with Madara, Hashirama can't control a tailed beast within a Jinchuuriki. Also, as far as chakra suppression goes, Hashirama's wood style would first have to catch and restrain Bijuu Mode Naruto (again, not fast or strong enough, and if it did-Naruto could have clones or toads bail him out).


Finally, Hashirama hasn't stopped an "energy ball" from a tailed beast. Don't make statements without facts.

@PrinceofPeace: Once again you make a statement with no evidence to back it up-Hashirama has never been shown to defend against a TBB.

Wood style<<<<Mountains<<<<TBB

As already stated, pollen can't get through chakra cloak-assuming there are even flowers to make pollen after being blown up by a TBB or Rasenshuriken.

6 tailed Naruto broke the necklace like a twig.

Assuming Hashirama's trees can stop a TBB (which they can't)-how does he survive these possible strategies of Naruto: A barrage of 15+ Rasenshurikens at the same time, thrown from clones that can move faster than lightning armor Raikage, attacks from multiple Boss Frogs along with Ma and Pa's genjutsu, or thousands of clones with giant rasengans?

Naruto can counter everything Hashirama has, but Hashirama can't keep up with current Naruto who has clones that are Kage level, is the fastest ninja alive, and is immune to Genjutsu.

Hashirama did stop a TBB in Generations so it has been shown IN YOUR FACE!!!!! do not come at my neck bro

IT is a huge forest that is creating pollen and you breath the chakra in so how does a chakra cloak help that???? TBB would destroy the forest but as I said Hashirama can block a TBB and he can eaisly rebuild a forest in a place that is already a froest.

Yes 6-tails did destroy the necklace BUT you and I both KNOW that Yamato was not their to stop him and Hashirama puts Yamato to shame and can have a better time holding the nine tails back since they BOTH are wearing the necklace.

Pollen takes care of frogs and clones
and long ranged wood style traps frogs and clones
for Ma n Pa's genjutsu( WHICH MA IS RELUCTANT TO USE) they neeed to get dangerously close in ear shot to use

plus Wood clones>shadow clones

there is significant distance between them and Hashirama has the home field advantage.

Naruto's cloak will not save him from the pollen

[TobiramaSenju307]

How does Naruto beat Wood Release: Advent of a World of Flowering Trees
or
Hokage-Style Sixty-Year-Old Technique — Enclosed Hermitage Entering Society with Bliss-Bringing Hands

naruto SM clones would see the pollen coming. moreover kurama can snap him out of it. narutos willpower is above onokis. as for bijuu supression, HE CAN USE BM WITHOUT BECOMING HUGE FULL KURAMA.

Plus Kurama mode would give Hasiirama's wood style MORE POWER

it makes it go haywire but doesnt make it stronger. or theyd have stated this

Hashirama protected himself from Nine-Tails TBB

when?

Hashirama has the ability to control multiple tailed beasts at a time what stops him from controlling Naruto's

well its much harder to control a jin and naruto can destroy his wood before it gets to him

Hashirama would control Naruto's Tailed Beast and defeat him with his wood release

first he has to survive bijuudama point blank, 13 fuuto rasenshurikens, hundreds of clones doing oodama rasengan and narutos own insane speed, sm clones and frog summons.

Naruto isn't as strong as Madara Uchiha(the real one)and Hashirama beat Madara

you think naruto cant take VOTE ems madara? from what we've seen he certainly can beat PS with 13 FRS. we know nothing about hashi vs madara besides hashi won and mito helped.

Naruto generations

so we are using anime feats?

Naruto's cloak will not save him from the pollen

if pollens so overpowered that it affects naruto when hes moving as fast as hes capable of moving, then how in the world did madara counter it?

Hashirama did stop a TBB in Generations so it has been shown IN YOUR FACE!!!!! do not come at my neck bro

i thought there was an obsession in this forum of ignoring filler feats. and the filler Kn6 is really OP if you remember episode 167

TBB would destroy the forest but as I said Hashirama can block a TBB

can he block 13 clones all throwing FRS?

Pollen takes care of frogs and clones

dust cloud blows back pollen after sm clones sense it coming. or kurama warns them since he would have fought hashi before/heard everything said by mito when he was in her belly.

Wood clones>shadow clones

considering the calibre of kcm clones, they dont need to be durable. chakra arms + planet rasengan > anything a wood clone shows. and its not confirmed hashi can make as many wood clones as madara

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Hashirama did stop a TBB in Generations so it has been shown IN YOUR FACE!!!!! do not come at my neck bro
At the time this thread was created I thought that bt ALL FEATS you meant all manga feats, as is standard. Even so, the Generations TBB never exploded, so no, Hashirama cannot defend against a TBB.
IT is a huge forest that is creating pollen and you breath the chakra in so how does a chakra cloak help that???? TBB would destroy the forest but as I said Hashirama can block a TBB and he can eaisly rebuild a forest in a place that is already a froest.
To be completely clear, by chakra cloak I mean the Kurama (fox form) chakra around Naruto, not his new robe. The chakra in the form of Kurama serves as a barrier. The tailed beasts weren't able to directly hit Naruto, they were fighting with Kurama (chakra cloak). The pollen can't get through the cloak-it is a physical barrier.

Yes 6-tails did destroy the necklace BUT you and I both KNOW that Yamato was not their to stop him and Hashirama puts Yamato to shame and can have a better time holding the nine tails back since they BOTH are wearing the necklace. There's no proof that the necklace's binding would be any stronger with Hashirama nearby, and KN6 Naruto-not perfect link Naruto- broke it within a second.

Pollen takes care of frogs and clones Not if the forest has been blown up by TBB or Rasenshurikens.
and long ranged wood style traps frogs and clones Wood style is slow son. Naruto was able to spam thousands of regular clones and counter it after watching it come at him for a while. Naruto can make 13+ KCM clones which are as fast as 3RK.
for Ma n Pa's genjutsu( WHICH MA IS RELUCTANT TO USE) they neeed to get dangerously close in ear shot to use They can hide out in the chakra cloak, like Kakashi and Guy.

plus Wood clones>shadow clones. KCM Clones>>>>>>> Wood Clones.

there is significant distance between them and Hashirama has the home field advantage. Bijuu Mode Naruto can close the gap in an instant.

Naruto's cloak will not save him from the pollen. Yes it will
It seems that your only argument for Hashirama revolves around the pollen, let's see why that argument fails.
1. Pollen can't get through chakra cloak.
2. Kurama has knowledge on Hashirama, we don't know that Hashirama used that move in his fight against Madara for certain, but why would he not try and use his best move?
3. Assuming Kurama doesn't have intel-Naruto notices one/a few of his clones falls prey to the pollen. Now he knows to watch out for it/destroy the flowers.
4. As Tobirama307 said, Naruto has really strong will power and Kurama to help him stay awake, he can resist the pollen long enough to take out the nearby flowers if by some miracle he himself is affected by the pollen.
5. Boss frogs stand above the flowers/pollen and have lots of oil. Ma and Pa have fire and wind element...goodbye forest, assuming it hasn't been destroyed by TBBs or Rasenshurikens.

In bold. Naruto owns so bad in this fight it's not even funny.

[Fan of Minato]

Uh...seriously? By hype, sure Hashirama wins. By feats? Naruto's the one with the most jutsu in the series, I believe. Hashirama has two or three good ones. Yeah, Naruto wins.
Boss Summons, Sennin mode, Kyuubi Mode+RS Cloak, Shadow Clone jutsu, FRS, and a lot more.

Hashirama's forest is blown to bits along with the flowers. We don't know if Hashirama can tank a TBB, generations doesn't count. Also, Naruto's fast. By feats, Naruto wins.

[BMC1994]

Hype wise Hashirama Stomps:
Hype wise madaras wood style = Hashis woodstyles and madara covered the battlefield in a huge forest in mere seconds. Hype wise he is stated to be one of the few persons who can truly controlls a bijuu with his wood. Thus his wood is stronger then a bijuu naruto cant escape if he gets caught. Hype wise he could capture naruto in wood just by covering the entire battlefield and capture him. And supress the kyuubi meaning no TBB, no KCM , no Bijuu Mode. And he basicly cant do anything else while he is capped in that wood so he looses.

Since When does the chakra cloak block pollen?

Feat Wise;
1. Naruto Outspeeds hashirama he can get blitzed.
2. Naruto goes sage mode makes a dozen of clones and barrages him with expanding rasenshurikens, or Giant rasengans , or even normal ones.
3. Naruto goes bijuu mode and TBBs him before he can do anything.
4. Naruto: Taijuu kage bunshin+ oodama rasengan GG Hashi.
etc.
We need to see more feats of hashis speed and durability that are not hype.


Probably when until we get to see more feats of hashi naruto takes this easily.

[PrinceofPeace]

How does Naruto beat Advent of following trees?

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

How does Naruto beat Advent of following trees?

He TBBs the featless hashis lame advent of trees and him along with it.

I agree hype wise he should stomp easily.

And really advent of trees *isnt the ultimate unescapable jutsu otherwiese the kages would be dead now.

[PrinceofPeace]

Tbb would take time and the effect of the pollen is practically instant

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Hype wise Hashirama Stomps:
Since When does the chakra cloak block pollen?

I think I explained it in my last post-The chakra in the form of Kurama around Naruto when he is in Bijuu Mode (perfect link, not RS mode) is a physical barrier-it's able to grab stuff and fight with the Bijuu, the Bijuu couldn't just pass through it and attack Naruto directly-thus, the pollen which is made up of physical particles won't be able to get through the chakra cloak which completely surrounds Naruto when he is in that form (he's inside the head of the cloak).

[PrinceofPeace]

BUt Naruto has to breath and he would breath n the pollen

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

BUt Naruto has to breath and he would breath n the pollen

There is tons of space in the cloak-he can breathe easily. Think of it this way-it's raining outside, but you are in your house. You can breathe inside your house, but you won't get rained on.

[Zack Fair]

Madara curb-stomped the kages and stated something about how Hashirama was the only one who could best him.

^ That's a fact, came from the manga. I'm not assuming stuff like with the cloak blocking pollen, who knows how the manga writer would PnJ this fight.

So, based on the stomping Madara did, I am going to say Hashirama.

edit: Plus doesn't he have better regen skills then Tsunade?

[MinatoXNaruto]

Everyone is giving Naruto all this hype but what has he done against Tobi(not the jinchuuriki). Nothing really. He can't even blitz Tobi. If Naruto can beat Hashirama, Tobi should be done right now.