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Old 05-09-2012, 02:17 PM   #1
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Default Mei Terumi vs. Hiruzen Sarutobi

Restrictions: Death God
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Battlefield: Sasuke vs. Raikage
Starting Distance: 80 meters.
State of Mind : IC
Stipulations: Hiruzen's chakra/stamina is not hindered by his age.

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Old 05-09-2012, 02:33 PM   #2
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If Hiruzen is not restricted by his age he should have a much easier time winning this.
He can now use shadow clones way more which a huge plus.
Not in a small room so no Mei gas.
Mei has no lightning so his doton is a good defence.
His offense is fire. (although Mei has water) it could catch her of guard.
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Mei autowins for not being a terrible leader, unlike Hiruzen.
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Mei autowins for not being a terrible leader, unlike Hiruzen.
Agreed he is not a good leader.
But that has no effect on the battle.
Hiruzen fights well on his own as we have seen,
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Can't the old man still summon the monkey?
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Supposing he lives that long, I don't see any reason why he couldn't.
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Old Hiruzen kills Mei, let alone young Hiruzen. Infinite Darkness jutsu couldn't stop him against 3 opponents, what is 1 using Mist gonna do?

Mud Wall will keep him safe from the majority of Mei's attacks. It blocked a pretty gigantic rush of water from Tobirama, and took his bullets to break through. From there, Dragon Flame Bombs and Enma Staff is more than enough.
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This is basically prime Hiruzen vs. Mei...I HATE to use hype, but this man has been called the god of shinobi, and the professor, there's also discrepancy as to whether or not he was the youngest Hokage instead of Minato...either way he should easily be able to beat Mei. With just the techniques we've seen Kage Bunshin, Shuriken Bunshin, and taijutsu should do a pretty good job. We know Mei has Suiton so Hiruzen's fire techs. will be kind of useless here so this is where we'd need all those other techniques we never got to see and that Oro was waiting for.
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ill just repost my thread from NB.


5th Mizukage is by feats, perhaps one of the most deadly ninjas from her village. why can she beat hiruzen? well let me explain.

taijutsu - hiruzen's undoubtedly superior, being able to utilise diamond staff and overpower even orochimaru with the kusanagi. mei has been seen doing relatively well in taijutsu, taking a punch from madara's susano with little visible damage. as a mid/long range type, mei has a big disadvantage.

ninjutsu - mei is probably one of the most dangerous ninjutsu users in the series due to dual kekkei genkais.
hiruzen will start off with katons
mei counters with water wall and water dragon bullet
shuriken kage bunshin is blocked by hardened lava
meis lava stream was hailed by uchiha madara as being an impressive attack.
to guard against the large lava stream, hiruzen will try earth wall. lava burns through with ease.

hiruzen has the adamantine cage defence but again, mei can counter with the boiling acid mist which was capable of melting right through susano. its a cage so the mist will seep right through. mei is also able to change its acidity so it doesnt affect herself. the reason she didnt just oneshot madara is because she did have allies to protect.
if mei uses hidden mist, hiruzen is still able to track her through sense of smell, and enma can attack and use his claws even when he is the adamantine staff, adding to his versatility. his staff was strong enough to smash hashirama senju's mokuton.
mei has a large amount of stamina, able to utilise several suitons in the middle of a desert, in quick sucession. only kisame has matched her suiton prowess and size.

by hype, hiruzen is meant to know much about ninjutsu as he was called the professor. he is also meant to know genjutsu but mei was prepared to fight danzo after learning he had shisuis eye, meaning she must have some way of defeating genjutsu. its true pollen got her but madaras yet to hit her with sharingan. and knowing who madara was, she showed no fear until things looked truly hopeless. i wouldnt say mei was cowardly, just realistic. retreating and regrouping is a preferred plan to being killed. in part 1 it was stated as amazing that one can do suitons on a roof nowhere near water. mei did it in the middle of a DESERT. sure as no water there.
i didnt consider reaper seal because its still a suicide move and mei and hiruzen are trying to win this.

in conclusion two bloodlines at once is a little too powerful for the old man. meis weak to taijutsu but her suitons and lava are long range and kept even sasuke and madara at bay.

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Mei has AMAZING NINJUTSU...but
1) Boil will not do anything because it is a short/mid range attack. This means Hiruzen can easily use long ranged jutsu to stay away and dodge with his speed. THERE IS NO BARRIER so Hiruzen has abundance of mobility to move. Now hiruzen can use his staff to hit long ranged OR fire style OR shiduken jutsu

2) Earth wall counters most of her water attacks. Hiruzen just has to dodge water dragon or throw a paper bomb into it.

3) Her Lava style is also a short/mid range jutsu. Hiruzen is faster than Mei and since they are not fighting in a cramped space he can easily move about

water dragon is Mei's only hope of winning.

4) Hiruzen saw thorough Tobirama's Darkness genjutsu so he will be easily able to see through hidden mist ESPECIALLY with his expereience.

5) YOU THINK MEI HAS STAMINA. hahahahha she is the weakest kage. She was not fast enough to use water style on Madara's fire style AND she always gives up the Raikage told her to SHUT UP he did not want to hear her negitive complaints.

6) Hirzuen saw through the 2nd hokages so he can see through mist

7) her bloodlines are a DOWNSIDE for her because they are not long ranged attacks which means Mei is a stting duck OR she has to chase after Hiruzen.Mei's long ranged attacks are not very great
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Boil will not do anything because it is a short/mid range attack. This means Hiruzen can easily use long ranged jutsu to stay away and dodge with his speed
hiruzens only long range attacks are diamond pole and fire dragon. water wall blocks both

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2) Earth wall counters most of her water attacks.
it counters mist?

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3) Her Lava style is also a short/mid range jutsu.
more than mid range considering how big susano is and how far she was away from madara

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4) Hiruzen saw thorough Tobirama's Darkness genjutsu so he will be easily able to see through hidden mist ESPECIALLY with his expereience.
he never saw through it. he just happened to use his sense of smell to SURVIVE it

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YOU THINK MEI HAS STAMINA. hahahahha she is the weakest kage.
there is no weakest kage. she is the strongest in terms of mid range specialised ninjutsu, and in elemental power. she is mid tier in durability considering she took a susano punch and danzo had to izanagi to survive exactly the same thing

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She was not fast enough to use water style on Madara's fire style
after what, an hour of nothing BUT blocking all katons he threw at her with his unlimited chakra supply?

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AND she always gives up the Raikage told her to SHUT UP he did not want to hear her negitive complaints.
she is being a realist you simpleton. shes fought him and now has decided "yep cant win this". which is absolutely true. onoki their best player cant do anything anymore. tsunade got a little bit of chakra but nothing useful. madaras still just as strong as ever even if he refuses to pull out PS again. THEY WERE ABOUT TO DIE. only reason they are alive at all right now is itachi and sasuke. and note that is the only time we've seen her admit inferiority. she never backed down from sasuke or black zetsu. she didnt even back down from a possible battle with DANZO. if it was onoki giving up youd be like "yeah hes right. they are screwed". A is simply in denial. wht chance do they have? they have nothing left to attack with and madaras not getting any weaker.
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ill just repost my thread from NB.


5th Mizukage is by feats, perhaps one of the most deadly ninjas from her village. why can she beat hiruzen? well let me explain.

taijutsu - hiruzen's undoubtedly superior, being able to utilise diamond staff and overpower even orochimaru with the kusanagi. mei has been seen doing relatively well in taijutsu, taking a punch from madara's susano with little visible damage. as a mid/long range type, mei has a big disadvantage.

Taking 1 punch vs attacking/defending from what is basicly on of the most deadly swords in naruto and not get absolutely murked by 2 hokages sounds more impressive.

ninjutsu - mei is probably one of the most dangerous ninjutsu users in the series due to dual kekkei genkais.
hiruzen will start off with katons
mei counters with water wall and water dragon bullet
shuriken kage bunshin is blocked by hardened lava
meis lava stream was hailed by uchiha madara as being an impressive attack.
to guard against the large lava stream, hiruzen will try earth wall. lava burns through with ease.

He can simply move out of the way of the attack before it burns through his earth wall. Also who says mei can even get close enough to jutsu her lava/ acid now. Starting distance is 80 meter she WILL get hit by enma before she even is in range for those 2 jutsu.

hiruzen has the adamantine cage defence but again, mei can counter with the boiling acid mist which was capable of melting right through susano. its a cage so the mist will seep right through. mei is also able to change its acidity so it doesnt affect herself. the reason she didnt just oneshot madara is because she did have allies to protect.
if mei uses hidden mist, hiruzen is still able to track her through sense of smell, and enma can attack and use his claws even when he is the adamantine staff, adding to his versatility. his staff was strong enough to smash hashirama senju's mokuton.
mei has a large amount of stamina, able to utilise several suitons in the middle of a desert, in quick sucession. only kisame has matched her suiton prowess and size.

So Allies> Saving the entire world? Kage sacrificed their own sons often enough just for the village (gaara/naruto(not really a sacrifice but you get what i mean)

About the cage thing Enma can adjust both his lenght and his width enma can simply clone himself make a wall out of those clones to guard from the mist while hiruzen moves out of the range /way/direction. But again how wont she get hit by enma before she gets in range.

If all her suiton defends from all hiruzen katon it should work the other way around too.


by hype, hiruzen is meant to know much about ninjutsu as he was called the professor. he is also meant to know genjutsu but mei was prepared to fight danzo after learning he had shisuis eye, meaning she must have some way of defeating genjutsu. its true pollen got her but madaras yet to hit her with sharingan. and knowing who madara was, she showed no fear until things looked truly hopeless. i wouldnt say mei was cowardly, just realistic. retreating and regrouping is a preferred plan to being killed. in part 1 it was stated as amazing that one can do suitons on a roof nowhere near water. mei did it in the middle of a DESERT. sure as no water there.
i didnt consider reaper seal because its still a suicide move and mei and hiruzen are trying to win this.

Dead seal already was restricted. Madara is quite the show off summons two meteors just for the fun of it and his strongest susanoo even though he didnt need it. Genjutsu woudlnt instill fear into all of the kages like madara would want. I dont even remember him using any notable genjutsu against the kages.

in conclusion two bloodlines at once is a little too powerful for the old man. meis weak to taijutsu but her suitons and lava are long range and kept even sasuke and madara at bay.
And again whats prevents her getting pummeled by enma from and 80 m distance. (yes he can extend that far watch hiruzen vs kyuubi).
Or getting pummeled my multiple shadow clones with enma for 80 m distance.
Or more clones since his age doesnt restrict his chakra anymore.
How does mei counter 2 clones throwing karyu endan at her while another clone pummels her with enma.

Sasuke and Madara dont have a weapon that extends halfway through konoha.


Mei in this case is easily outnumbered and and hiruzen has a enormous range advantage. She simply will get beaten to a pulp from outside the range for her acid/ mist.
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Does Hiruzen have anime feats? If not than Mei wins due to closed space
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Haven't we already had another thread with this matchup?

Anyway, Mei tittystomped before and she tittystomps now.

Hiruzen gets acid misted and/or his face lavaed off.

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Haven't we already had another thread with this matchup?

Anyway, Mei tittystomped before and she tittystomps now.

Hiruzen gets acid misted and/or his face lavaed off.



Yeah, that's not true.
From 80m distance because she wont get pummeled by enma from that distance.

The situation is different.
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Mei excels in closed spaces ( if you know what I mean )..... (cuz I dont )
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Anyway I don't see Hiruzen coming out of this without getting melted to death, by the acid mist or lava style.
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Does anyone see the 3rd winning??
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