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Old 07-30-2012, 01:55 PM   #2281
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If Oro can summon a bunch of ET(they have nothing that can kill a ton of powerful zombies at once) he can defeat them the same way kabuto could
Orochimaru can summon two Edos and there's no reason his opponents should target the invincible zombies over the guy whose death will end the fight.

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Old 08-04-2012, 12:45 PM   #2282
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Orochimaru can summon two Edos and there's no reason his opponents should target the invincible zombies over the guy whose death will end the fight.
That wouldn't end the fight. ETs would keep fighting after Orochimaru died.
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I've heard this strategy so much I can't take it seriously anymore. Why would Bee just sit there and get hit in the face multiple times.
Because this continues my prior post. I said Minato could come back later while B is asleep.

If you rule this out then you are looking for rules like time frame, perhaps an arena, I don't know. I'm talking in the narutoverse, if they want the other dead, no matter what, when, where, minato will put the FTG seal on B, like he did on Tobi. Then Minato is unblockable. He Could throw tagged kunai into the hachibe and teleport up his body.

You look at this as how does Minato beat B. Well he does it easier than B beating Minato.
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That wouldn't end the fight. ETs would keep fighting after Orochimaru died.
Even if that were true, which, there's no actual evidence for it beyond the fallible character statement of a known liar, it doesn't matter. Orochimaru is the opponent, so he's the one that needs to be killed.

Beating Jiraiya doesn't mean beating Gamabunta and Jiraiya. It just means beating Jiraiya.
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Old 08-04-2012, 07:27 PM   #2285
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Because this continues my prior post. I said Minato could come back later while B is asleep.

If you rule this out then you are looking for rules like time frame, perhaps an arena, I don't know. I'm talking in the narutoverse, if they want the other dead, no matter what, when, where, minato will put the FTG seal on B, like he did on Tobi. Then Minato is unblockable. He Could throw tagged kunai into the hachibe and teleport up his body.
You missed the part of my first post that addressed this entirely...

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On top of that, the seal doesn't last like you say it does. If you remember back when they fought the first time, Bee got tagged with the FTG seal on one of his tails. When Minato retreated I doubt Bee was just sitting there with that seal on his back giving Minato a chance to slit his throat at any moment, I'm guessing that thing wears off pretty fast, especially since it's chakra based unlike the actual paper tags Minato uses to travel all over the place.
As for the underlined portion of your post, you're just being ridiculous. Nothing like this has ever happened, if it were that simple Minato wouldn't have needed to kill himself to beat Kurama. Minato is not strong enough to take out a bijuu. The only strategy you could come up with was something ridiculous and out of character that's most likely not even possible. You saying that Minato runs away and tries to kill Bee in his sleep is like me saying that Bee randomly goes over to Konoha while Minato is asleep and just rips a Tailed Beast Bomb, destroys the village and calls it a night. You can't have people do things they've never demonstrated or even hinted at being a part of their battle strategy.

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You look at this as how does Minato beat B. Well he does it easier than B beating Minato.
No it's not, Bee has multiple ways of killing Minato, Minato has no ways to kill Bee other than doing things out of character, and that don't even qualify as being part of a straight up battle (running away, stabbing the Hachibi's eyes, going inside the Hachibi's body, etc.)

Bee catches Minato with his tentacles and squeezes him to death, Bee kills Minato with the Seven Swords Dance, Bee rips Minato's head off with a Lariat, Bee knocks Minato out and then kills him with Hachimaki. The only technique Minato could try is Rasengan which will barely scratch Bee unless he is in his base form.

The strategy for Bee is to use his god like stamina and Samehada to wear Minato down until he runs out of chakra, then to use a killing move. There is no strategy for Minato.
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Old 08-16-2012, 04:28 AM   #2286
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Could Obito be higher on this tier list based on the information that if he survived the previous ninja war, its possible he could have Tobi's dimension ability and maybe even Kamui?
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Kakashi could be moved a little higher up now with his newly found stamina and kamui
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Hey guys. Just dropping in to let you know that Kuro is probably the only one reading this topic. If you all have reached a consensus and want someone moved up or down, drop me a VM and I'll move them up or down for you.
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The following people could stomp Orochimaru, Edo Tensei or no Edo Tensei:
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I dont see Gaara w/out shukaku on the list.

And how the *** is suigetsu even kage tier?

and how suigetsu above charcters like tsunade, the fourth kazekage(essentiely a less overwhelming gaara), hidan (immortal) or even rock lee(8 gates) since when did suigetsu become so awesome because i have missed something here.
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why is Tsunade so low when she is basically immortal for so e time and one hit from her practically kills you not to mention nerve scrambling
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Tsunade is fodder.
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After receiving about 5 or 6 messages about people wanting Kakashi moved up, he has been moved above all the Sannin. Let me know if there are any gripes or complaints.
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After receiving about 5 or 6 messages about people wanting Kakashi moved up, he has been moved above all the Sannin. Let me know if there are any gripes or complaints.
Kakashi above Jiraiya and Oro....NAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWW. Don't gas him.

He still lacks the techniques and destructive power to keep up, "Kamui /thread" doesn't work against opponents as sneaky as those two. Jiraiya with his toad silhouette and Oro with his advanced substitution. On top of that I thought a big part of being high on the tier list is the large variety of opponents you can take down or put up a great fight against. I still don't think Kakashi has the variety of Oro and Jiraiya where they could take on opponent's as diverse as Sasori to Kakuzu to Pain to Kisame, etc. and have unique strategies for each one. Most Kakashi threads focus around Kamui and if that doesn't work then the thread just breaks down into a scramble to find a way for Kakashi to Rakiri his opponent through the chest.

I must say I'm impressed with how he's performed so far, he's improved enormously and demonstrated that he's a true master worthy of fear and respect from any opponent, but I'd say that's more due to his intellect combined with his assassin like techniques. He can't stand up to an entire gauntlet of high level opponents like Bee or Sasuke and just take them all on. Maybe if he demonstrates one or two more amazing techniques. Right now I'd put him at like Danzo level on around the same tier as Oro. I bumped him and Gai up two levels on my list for their amazing performances recently.

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The only reason why Kakashi could beat the sannin on a probability is because of Kamui.

It is haxxed after all.
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The only reason why Kakashi could beat the sannin on a probability is because of Kamui.

It is haxxed after all.
Yeah but being a one trick pony doesnt really sound top tier worthy especially if said pony can only do it a limited amount of times.
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Glad I've sparked some controversy. Although I wasn't intending to do so.
So in a short post, so I can get a clear idea from everyone, where do you all think he should be exactly?
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I'm glad he's above the Sannin. Kakashi would wreck all of them with Kamui. I don't think you all understand how haxxed Kamui is. There is no escape unless you can instantly teleport like Minato.

Finally Kakashi has been moved up.
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Old 08-27-2012, 09:00 PM   #2299
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Glad I've sparked some controversy. Although I wasn't intending to do so.
So in a short post, so I can get a clear idea from everyone, where do you all think he should be exactly?
Around the level of the Kages or at best on par with the Sannin but Gai better be moved with him, because he's been demonstrating feats just as impressive this entire time.
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Yeah but being a one trick pony doesnt really sound top tier worthy especially if said pony can only do it a limited amount of times.
You are correct but Kakashi is not one trick pony in everything. Its just his abilities are just not enough but Kamui makes up for hax material.

He is a solid around still.

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I'm glad he's above the Sannin. Kakashi would wreck all of them with Kamui. I don't think you all understand how haxxed Kamui is. There is no escape unless you can instantly teleport like Minato.

Finally Kakashi has been moved up.
Only because of Kamui. He still loses against Pain for being multiple bodies at least. He has a better chance defeating Nagato than Pain only because of the body amount.

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Around the level of the Kages or at best on par with the Sannin but Gai better be moved with him, because he's been demonstrating feats just as impressive this entire time.
Agreed.

Kamui, 6-7 Gates moved them up at least Sannin material or above.

Without them I say Kakashi and Gai are elite jounin.
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