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Old 07-14-2012, 07:20 AM   #1
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Khal Drogo, having survived the wound caused by the traitor Mago, have now hired numerous ships to transport his army across the narrow sea. His brave Dothraki warriors have successfully landed on the beach and are supported by Daenerys' three pet dragons. Now they face the resistance of King Joffrey's army of 70,000 men. Who will be victorious?
The Westeros army mostly have melee infantry and were quite unprepared for an invasion of this size.

Location: Plains and hills of the eastern coast of Westeros.

Dothraki invasion force
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Preparation: One year
Knowledge: Common, plus advice from ser Jorah Mormont
Strength: 40,000 Dothraki cavalry, 20,000 slave infantry, 3 dragons
Leader: Khal Drogo
Fellow characters: Daenerys Targaryen, ser Jorah Mormont, Qotho, Pono, Jhaqo, Aggo, Rakharo, Kovarro, Malakho

Westeros defenses
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Preparation: Almost none
Knowledge: Limited to rumors and legends
Strength: 60,000 Lannister troops and 10,000 fellow Westeros troops
Leader: King Joffrey of House Baratheon
Fellow characters: Jaime Lannister, Tyrion Lannister, Tywin Lannister, Lancel Lannister, Kevan Lannister, Gregor Clegane, Sandor Clegane
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Does Tyrion get Jofferies ear, so that the stay inside castle and forts and thus easily win?

Does victory constitute only Kingslanding?
Because Dothraki are SCREWED in the north

Really though, with the combined military insight of Tyrion and Tywin, not to mention sorties led by Gregor into the Dothraki camps killing women and children, they are screwed. I doubt he can be killed by any Dothraki weapon in his armor.

The Dothraki only win if they have numbers, which you didn't give them.
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Too many statistics! x_x MY EYES!!
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Does Tyrion get Jofferies ear, so that the stay inside castle and forts and thus easily win?

Does victory constitute only Kingslanding?
Because Dothraki are SCREWED in the north

Really though, with the combined military insight of Tyrion and Tywin, not to mention sorties led by Gregor into the Dothraki camps killing women and children, they are screwed. I doubt he can be killed by any Dothraki weapon in his armor.

The Dothraki only win if they have numbers, which you didn't give them.
The Dothraki advantages here are: More cavalry (the Westeros force only have about 1,000 mounted knights, the rest are foot soldiers), more professional soldiers (approximately a third of the Westeros forces are militia), and of course dragons should be of some use. The Dothraki also have ser Jorah Mormont to advice them in how to combat the Westeros forces effectively, while King Joffrey's men have never seen a Dothraki before. The Dothraki thus have much more preparation, not to mention that the battle takes place in fields and hills - perfect terrain for a cavalry-based force
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Dragons solo...
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The Dothraki advantages here are: More cavalry (the Westeros force only have about 1,000 mounted knights, the rest are foot soldiers), more professional soldiers (approximately a third of the Westeros forces are militia), and of course dragons should be of some use. The Dothraki also have ser Jorah Mormont to advice them in how to combat the Westeros forces effectively, while King Joffrey's men have never seen a Dothraki before. The Dothraki thus have much more preparation, not to mention that the battle takes place in fields and hills - perfect terrain for a cavalry-based force
1000 Mounted Knights which is not the same cavalry in other words more horse units than that.

Dragons are tiny, almost no use.

Well as I said, can Westroes stay in the forts and castles? Dothraki can not siege craft no matter who advises them.
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In that case, Westeros destroys with Dragon Fire.
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Mutual destruction. Westerosi skinchangers possess the dragons, but when they roast Dany, the link to Mother is severed, and they rampage freely. Although young, their flames are still lethal, and they jet streams of fire like deft snipers.
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Dragons are pretty big novel wise..but if we're going by TV levels then their a non issue

A thousand armored knights has a great deal more value than a bunch of armorles Dothraki rapists

your essentially throwing a bunch of armed jeeps against an a Sherman tank
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Dragons are pretty big novel wise..but if we're going by TV levels then their a non issue

A thousand armored knights has a great deal more value than a bunch of armorles Dothraki rapists

your essentially throwing a bunch of armed jeeps against an a Sherman tank
Jeeps can be equipped with rocket launchers and, in later epochs, ATGMs - more than enough to destroy a Sherman tank.

And with or without armor, the Dothraki obviously have the superior cavalry force.
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Jeeps can be equipped with rocket launchers and, in later epochs, ATGMs - more than enough to destroy a Sherman tank.

And with or without armor, the Dothraki obviously have the superior cavalry force.
and I can easily switch the analogy to an MI Abrams

Without armor their essentially leather armored tactically ignorant mercenaries riding up against people they have zero hope to injure

or did you forget Dothraki swords bounce right off armor?

a Westerosi Calvary charge would mash up a Dothraki group pretty brutally
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and I can easily switch the analogy to an MI Abrams

Without armor their essentially leather armored tactically ignorant mercenaries riding up against people they have zero hope to injure

or did you forget Dothraki swords bounce right off armor?

a Westerosi Calvary charge would mash up a Dothraki group pretty brutally
And I can stay at the analogy of an ATGM, which will destroy an Abrams tank.

After reading the first book once more (recently came to the chapter when ser Jorah Mormont explains Dothraki vs Westeros warfare), I have understood the following:
  • Dothraki are far better mounted warriors than any knight, and will easily stay on their horses in situations that will make a knight fall. Note that knights will also have trouble getting up from the ground due to their heavy armor.
  • Dothraki warriors attack much faster than Westerosi knights, but lack in armor. But in real life, Mongols (poorly armoured, fast-moving horsemen), easily defeated European knights (heavily armoured, slow-moving horsemen).
  • Most Westerosi armies rely to a great extent of peasant levies, volunteers and adventurers - people who will switch side for a few gold coins or surrender themselves after a few casualties. The Dothraki on the other hand, have only elite warriors.
  • The Dothraki are superior archers compared to the Westerosi bowmen, and thus the Dothraki will be able to shoot down many Westerosi warriors before the melee combat begins or the Westerosi can even return fire.
  • The Dothraki bows are powerful enough to penetrate a knight's armor.
Conclusion: I doubt that the Westerosi will have any chance in the open field. However, the Dothraki would not be able to capture any Westerosi castle except maybe by climbing with ropes and grappling hooks.
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The real question is are the Dothraki bows able to penetrate the Westeros armor.

Given it took the English longbows to finally make armor obsolete(sadly for the English just before the introduction of cannons), the horsemen mounted bowmen can't do squat to the knights.
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The real question is are the Dothraki bows able to penetrate the Westeros armor.

Given it took the English longbows to finally make armor obsolete(sadly for the English just before the introduction of cannons), the horsemen mounted bowmen can't do squat to the knights.
On page 350 in the Swedish translation of the book, ser Jorah Mormont claims that no Westerosi armor would be able to stop a rain of Dothraki arrows.
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Never said in the orignal Engilsh, and just not physically possible.

A bow large enough to get through armor could not be shot from horseback.
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Never said in the orignal Engilsh, and just not physically possible.

A bow large enough to get through armor could not be shot from horseback.
The samurai longbows, the Yumi, could be fired from horseback and would pierce right through a human body without armor and definately penetrate even an iron breastplate.

Also, the Mongols successfully used mounted archers against fully equipped European knights in the 1200's.
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And I can stay at the analogy of an ATGM, which will destroy an Abrams tank.

After reading the first book once more (recently came to the chapter when ser Jorah Mormont explains Dothraki vs Westeros warfare), I have understood the following:
  • Dothraki are far better mounted warriors than any knight, and will easily stay on their horses in situations that will make a knight fall. Note that knights will also have trouble getting up from the ground due to their heavy armor.
  • Read the rules we don't use statements unless their supported by feats




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  • Dothraki warriors attack much faster than Westerosi knights, but lack in armor. But in real life, Mongols (poorly armoured, fast-moving horsemen), easily defeated European knights (heavily armoured, slow-moving horsemen).
  • The Mongols were poorly armored? What? their armor was rather decent, they also had superior weaponry and at times even brought primitive guns from China to use against the knights..

    oh and Ghengis Khan would LOLstomp the Dothraki so don't even bother making that comparison


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  • Most Westerosi armies rely to a great extent of peasant levies, volunteers and adventurers - people who will switch side for a few gold coins or surrender themselves after a few casualties. The Dothraki on the other hand, have only elite warriors.
  • The Dothraki are a gang raping horde of killers who see everyone not Dothraki as cattle..minus a few exceptions. There will be no reason..

    Dothraki are also hilariously outnumbered and the armor is just too much


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  • The Dothraki are superior archers compared to the Westerosi bowmen, and thus the Dothraki will be able to shoot down many Westerosi warriors before the melee combat begins or the Westerosi can even return fire.
  • yeah and then they get wildfyre thrown at them..or face the diseases of Westeros..

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Conclusion: I doubt that the Westerosi will have any chance in the open field. However, the Dothraki would not be able to capture any Westerosi castle except maybe by climbing with ropes and grappling hooks.
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The samurai longbows, the Yumi, could be fired from horseback and would pierce right through a human body without armor and definately penetrate even an iron breastplate.

Also, the Mongols successfully used mounted archers against fully equipped European knights in the 1200's.
Human body is not armor, not even close

The also baked the knights in the middle of the plains, and forced the knights to take of there armor.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:45 PM   #19
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Default Re: Dothraki invasion of Westeros

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The Mongols were poorly armored? What? their armor was rather decent, they also had superior weaponry and at times even brought primitive guns from China to use against the knights..

oh and Ghengis Khan would LOLstomp the Dothraki so don't even bother making that comparison




The Dothraki are a gang raping horde of killers who see everyone not Dothraki as cattle..minus a few exceptions. There will be no reason..

Dothraki are also hilariously outnumbered and the armor is just too much




yeah and then they get wildfyre thrown at them..or face the diseases of Westeros..



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These are many statements to reply to, so I'll try to make it short.
  1. Those are claims by ser Jorah Mormont.
  2. The main Mongol forces wore leather armor or thick clothes, since they preferred mobility over protection. Only the Keshiks were equipped with decent protection against arrows or sword cuts. You are correct about the gun statement, though, but those guns were limited to close-to-not-at-all accurate cannons.
  3. The Dothraki may not be disciplined, but they do have courage and individual skill. You can't compare that to Westerosi peasant levies who shiver with fear when they see an enemy approaching. Plus, they are not very outnumbered in this comparison.
  4. True.
  5. I cannot prove those statements, since they are claimed by ser Jorah Mormont.
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[*]Those are claims by ser Jorah Mormont.]
they requires feats to support them for them to be valid



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[*]The main Mongol forces wore leather armor or thick clothes, since they preferred mobility over protection. Only the Keshiks were equipped with decent protection against arrows or sword cuts. You are correct about the gun statement, though, but those guns were limited to close-to-not-at-all accurate cannons.
They were still superior soldiers used revolutionary battle field tactics had a system that allowed for in battle field communication between the generals and the soldiers which was something that the west and east lacked at the time and the Dothraki do not have,.and do not even think about

they are so far superior to the Dothraki..the mere fact that the modern army has been using Mongol based theories about communication since their arrival tells you all you need to know about why your analogy is wrong

Those guns would also work pretty well as a terror weapon


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[*]The Dothraki may not be disciplined, but they do have courage and individual skill. You can't compare that to Westerosi peasant levies who shiver with fear when they see an enemy approaching. Plus, they are not very outnumbered in this comparison.
pretty sure Westeori forces numbering in the numbers we see in the novel make Drogo look a little tiny

those Levies do pretty well in the novels

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[*]I cannot prove those statements, since they are claimed by ser Jorah Mormont.
then wait a while before
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