Narutoverse vs Technology

[Ultimate combatant]

Is Rikudo Sennin creating a moon a feat or is it considered a Word of God?!!

[shinigan no sora]

@ULTI

ATM RS' moon feat is considerd an unproven feat

[Ultimate combatant]

Let us assume you are correct and Technology wins against current Narutoverse.

I am wondering whether you think that when Naruto ends, it`ll be considered stronger than ourverse Technology!!! What is your opinion?!!

[shinigan no sora]

Honestly yeah I'm pretty sure we can still beat out the NU even if they get stronger from estimate of where they are now. They won't be powerful enough to take us out

[Naruto the Sage of Life]

as true as that may be, I doubt edo tensei are affected by disease. Furthermore any shinobi that die could simply be brought back. Worse comes to worse and that the main shinobi army are halved because it takes a sacrifice to use edo tensei. Truthfully edo tensei is an extremely valuable technique, it can even be used on enemies, ( all a shinobi would have to do is kill two civilians and then Kabuto can revive one and control the individual). This would be a useful way to gain knowledge on the enemies culture, and technology.




A true statement indeed, however it is safe to assume that the ninja will also introduce viruses to the human population. Of course their is no doubt in my mind that with modern day technology cures to the diseases would be found relatively quickly. Furthermore, bombing the tailed beast would probably work but it is also possible that they would simply reform. In the manga it was stated that even if the kyuubi was defeated it would simply reform over time, which would explain why the tailed beast are always sealed.

no they can't they only speak Japanese and they'd be very stand outish in Japan given how white most of them look- they also are monstrously insular and thus would likely be completely unable to adapt to our culture easily

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By using the henge no justu, it doesn't really matter what the ninja's look like. Furthermore while they only speak japanese, ninja like Sasuke and Madara would most likely be able to use their sharingan to memorize most languages and mouth movements. Lastly, the Yamanaka clan would most likely would be easily able to infiltrate anyones mind and learn about modern day technology and weaponry.

very fast one ninja fight against cops pops up on youtube..JDF mobilizes and solo's the entire NU..they don't even need to call the US for back up

I do agree that considering how different Nina's behave than normal people, it would be very hard to keep their existence a secret.

hell just American assets in Japan and maybe Korea mobilized is enough to exterminate them all

Perhaps, but if indeed all living things have chakra, then it is possible to assume that mind control genjustu work on normal people, considering Itachi used a genjustu on a civilian women when he first went to capture Naruto. Even if genjustu did not work, a Yamanaka should be easily able to use a mind control justu to take control of normal soldiers and cause havoc.

If that is the case, then efficiently mobilizing would become a much more diffucult task, espicially if a ninja was able to take control of a higher ranking officer. Furthermore, it would probably be child play for a ninja to take control of a smaller world power, or even a more influential part of the world by using genjustu, or mind control and use modern technology against the modern world.

you obviously don't read the posts in these thread. Between renting technology that can detect Zetsus and simple sat mapping..that's accurate enough to find my fuggin front door they'll be effortlessly spotted

As true as it may be easy to find Zetsu in the ground, how would we go about finding Zetsu that hides in people? How would we go about killing them?

Henge No Jutsu does not magically make them english, french or whatever speakers you know, also its a very simple matter of before and after photo analyses via sat in the span of seconds

Of course Henge No justu doesn't give mannerism of normal people, but still ninja can use mind control, to make normal civilians their puppets.

the mere fact that what you just described shows profound ignorance, that they wouldn't even know where to look, that the moment one or two major world leaders get teleported away the rest get into lock down in secret locations that Ninja could never hope to find.

As true as that may be, the ninja don't need to kill the world leader, they can simply use them as puppets. Even if they can't, a Yamanaka could look into his/her mind and learn invaluable secret of the modern day world.

the fact that the loss of one president or prime minister to hostile superhuman forces means the order of succession is kicked in and whoever is listed to take over second does so easily.. and this basically accomplishes nothing

Edo's have never come back from total vaporization ergo they can't

True, that feat has never been shown, and considering the immense firepower the world has vaporization is very much possible however, do you really think we are willing to use such powerful weapons without hesitation?
I do believe that it would not be to difficult for the ninja to use their abilities to spread out into most of the worlds major cities. Tobi could simply teleport them to the world largest cities. Do you really think that the leaders of the world are going to bomb their own cities? That would create so much fear in the worlds people and cause so much chaos that it would give the shinobi a major advantage.

no the best chance modern tech has is scrambling a drone having it fly over a hidden village and sprinkle down powder mixed with samples of say the flu, a good strong stomach bug and say chicken pox

Assuming that the ninja would simply stay in their main city and wait like sitting ducks is childish, and even if shinobi get sick and die, Kabuto could simply revive them via Edo Tensei. Furthermore, Logically Tobi would keep Kabuto in his pocket dimension so that he would not be exposed to any diseases.

lol no dude you need to have a great deal of inside knowledge and to know the body language and speech patterns and infliction of a major leader to properly replace them..this is stuff Shinobi don't do

Shinobi don't really need to replace if they could control people( assuming if possible) If not then reading a world leaders mind should suffice in being able to replace him. Lastly, killing the leader, and then reviving him via edo tensei should work just as well.








, the combined power of all the tailed beast should suffice, especially if the user just teleports around and attacks all of the world major cities. Furthermore even in death he could simply be revived.

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[Vivi]

What is the best speed feat in Naruto?
Cause I remember some guns fire at 4-5000+ feet per second.

Naturally not enough to take out the Bijuu but considering that appearantly a cheap gun can hurt people in Naruto I'd say it will have an effect.Or least take out the majority.

On another note:
We only talk about the known here.Should be pretty obvious Governments like the US or Russia should have secret stuff in store that makes the most we know look shameful.

EG: I remember reading about Scottish Scientists having created an microscopic Artificial Black Hole some years ago using Laser Pulses and microstructured optical fiber back in 2008.

[Taka-hebi1]

Originally Posted by Vivi

What is the best speed feat in Naruto?
Cause I remember some guns fire at 4-5000+ feet per second.

Naturally not enough to take out the Bijuu but considering that appearantly a cheap gun can hurt people in Naruto I'd say it will have an effect.Or least take out the majority.

On another note:
We only talk about the known here.Should be pretty obvious Governments like the US or Russia should have stuff in store that makes the most we know look shameful.

Best Speed Feat would be Minato's Flying Thunder God jutsu or Lee's Gate releases.

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by Vivi

On another note:
We only talk about the known here.Should be pretty obvious Governments like the US or Russia should have stuff in store that makes the most we know look shameful.

I think we all realize that. But we cannot use that argument because only feats are allowed.

[megabbaut]

I like how everyone forgets that the Narutoverse can just give Tobi the Bijuus and let him cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi onto the real world.

Fiction can't be beaten.

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

I like how everyone forgets that the Narutoverse can just give Tobi the Bijuus and let him cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi onto the real world.

Fiction can't be beaten.

No that's just BS considering it's OOC.

Fiction can't be beaten?
Just...no.

[TRcommander]

Originally Posted by Ultimate combatant

Average US citizen has a gun?!! Wow. I knew US tolerates weapon more than most of the world but for a average citizen to have it?

Yeah, I live in a small town, and there's probably more guns than people. It's not like that everywhere, but they're not going to be able to invade a city without facing an armed civilian population. And again, 99% of the naruto verse is fodder that can easily be wiped out by bullets.

Anyway, bullets travel faster than light, however, you first have to aim at the opponent. And since most Shinobi are fast enough normal people cannot see them moving there will be problem shooting them.

That's just it, though. Most of the naruto verse is fodder with 0 feats, so you can't really claim that they're more than maybe peak human or possibly slightly higher. But only named characters have supersonic feats so far, so the vast majority of their army can't dodge bullets.

That is because their opponents are Ninja. I`m sure they use different strategies depending on their enemy.

The fact that their enemies are ninjas mean that they should already be using different tactics. Again, just throwing waves of people at the enemy is about the worst possible strategy they could've come up with, and they're lucky as heck that they have plot armor to protect otherwise a few people could've about soloed the entire alliance. Tobi teleports into their midst, summons the bijuus, and wipes them all out with a couple bijuu bombs = gg. Deidara flies overhead and blows himself up before getting close enough for anyone to stop him = gg. One shot from Madara's perfect susanoo = gg. Nagato uses chibaku tensei = gg. Basically, grouping together into giant blocks of people when your enemies can easily wipe out the entire area is the worst possible strategy, and that's exactly what they did. Since they're still in character there's no reason for them to do anything different here.

There are Sensor Shinobi who can find people. Anyway, if someone is killed. Shinobi will replace that person. Nobody will know that person is missing.

They have to know who they're looking for first, which they don't. And just looking like someone doesn't do much good. For example, say they turned into Obama? They might be able to look like him, but how are they going to act like him so perfectly that nobody notices? And what happens when they don't know any passwords to anything? There are just way too many ways to tell that it isn't really him.

I still think Shinobi would prefer infiltration.

I would think so too, but they're kind of stupid, so there's nothing to be done about it.

Makes me wonder, can they really be traced like that. How do they even go underground?

Yeah, scientists can monitor even the tiniest of tremors across the world. By the time they go deep enough that they might escape notice they will have already hit magma a long time ago.

But if it comes from narrator, then it is the way story is. If I`m telling a story I can say things which many will not like. But that is how the story is.

Word of God is still fallible.

Trapping is a decent strategy but how long would it work?

It just needs to work long enough to drop a nuke on them, which takes a matter of minutes to reach its target.

Even with nukes, Edo Tensei would just regenerate.

They've never regenerated from something as damaging as a nuke.

Originally Posted by megabbaut

I like how everyone forgets that the Narutoverse can just give Tobi the Bijuus and let him cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi onto the real world.

Fiction can't be beaten.

1. The real world doesn't have the body of the ten tails sealed inside of it. 2. We generally use feats in vs debates, and all we have to go on for that technique is statements made by a consistent liar to his enemies.......not exactly reliable now is it?

[Vivi]

Appearantly Edo Tensei Summon regenerate as long as even a shred of them remains intact.

Just ensure absolutely nothing is left of them.
Besides, with all our Technology I find it hard to believe we got nothing in terms of restricting peoples movements in some way.

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by Vivi

Appearantly Edo Tensei Summon regenerate as long as even a shred of them remains intact.

Just ensure absolutely nothing is left of them.
Besides, with all our Technology I find it hard to believe we got nothing in terms of restricting peoples movements in some way.

They could just call exorcists. Only I don`t know if that falls under "Technology" category!!!

[Vivi]

Robo Exorcists?

I dunno.Humanities hunger for new inventions is nigh endless.
Especially that Japanese guy who invents stuff like a portable tissue holder on a hat to ensure one always has a tissue at hand for various situations.

[shinigan no sora]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

I like how everyone forgets that the Narutoverse can just give Tobi the Bijuus and let him cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi onto the real world.

Fiction can't be beaten.

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by shinigan no sora

Still dude the rest of what you said was just massively ignorant not to mention taka and bacons' responses

Also I seem to recall having a similar thread on MF back in january and well I'm going to say something that invalidated a certain narutard's claims a hundred fold:

We have kishi. Kishi would be pressed into retconning every last skill in naruto verse into nothingness. This would take less than a week to acomplish after the first well known shinobi appears on a satilite

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by Vivi

Robo Exorcists?

I dunno.Humanities hunger for new inventions is nigh endless.
Especially that Japanese guy who invents stuff like a portable tissue holder on a hat to ensure one always has a tissue at hand for various situations.

Is that the same guy who made that cellphone holder on a wrist?!!

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by Naruto the Sage of Life

as true as that may be, I doubt edo tensei are affected by disease. Furthermore any shinobi that die could simply be brought back. Worse comes to worse and that the main shinobi army are halved because it takes a sacrifice to use edo tensei. Truthfully edo tensei is an extremely valuable technique, it can even be used on enemies, ( all a shinobi would have to do is kill two civilians and then Kabuto can revive one and control the individual). This would be a useful way to gain knowledge on the enemies culture, and technology.

any shinobi that die can be brought back via an extremely costly ritual that requires DNA samples and a human sacrifice so no, not really

why would Kabuto be willing to edo tensei civis at the cost of vital resources?

Originally Posted by Naruto the Sage of Life

A true statement indeed, however it is safe to assume that the ninja will also introduce viruses to the human population. Of course their is no doubt in my mind that with modern day technology cures to the diseases would be found relatively quickly. Furthermore, bombing the tailed beast would probably work but it is also possible that they would simply reform. In the manga it was stated that even if the kyuubi was defeated it would simply reform over time, which would explain why the tailed beast are always sealed.

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needs to be shown on panel

Originally Posted by Naruto the Sage of Life

By using the henge no justu, it doesn't really matter what the ninja's look like. Furthermore while they only speak japanese, ninja like Sasuke and Madara would most likely be able to use their sharingan to memorize most languages and mouth movements. Lastly, the Yamanaka clan would most likely would be easily able to infiltrate anyones mind and learn about modern day technology and weaponry.

so only a handful of valued assets will easily assimilate? Said assets being Uchihas are also massively bigoted, cripplingly egoistical and mentally unstable

I'd also add the Yamanaka clan doing that is a double edged sword, they mind rape any one of a decent rank in a major world military and the morale of the entire invasion force just takes a massive nose dive when the resident telepaths basically g "they can replicate Bijuu bomb level force mass produce it and dump thousands of them at any location in the world within a single hour and can do this for years without even suffering a minor drain on their resources"

Originally Posted by Naruto the Sage of Life

I do agree that considering how different Nina's behave than normal people, it would be very hard to keep their existence a secret.

the problem is gonna be the major elite clans and their horrendous egos and attitudes.. the joe blow shinobi probably wont be a major risk for exposure than again the joe blow shinobi will have problems with a SWAT team

Originally Posted by Naruto the Sage of Life

Perhaps, but if indeed all living things have chakra, then it is possible to assume that mind control genjustu work on normal people, considering Itachi used a genjustu on a civilian women when he first went to capture Naruto. Even if genjustu did not work, a Yamanaka should be easily able to use a mind control justu to take control of normal soldiers and cause havoc.

Genjutsu should work the problem the response to it once its known will be massive and very swift and lethal

Originally Posted by Naruto the Sage of Life

If that is the case, then efficiently mobilizing would become a much more diffucult task, espicially if a ninja was able to take control of a higher ranking officer. Furthermore, it would probably be child play for a ninja to take control of a smaller world power, or even a more influential part of the world by using genjustu, or mind control and use modern technology against the modern world.

while it would be childsplay to take over a smaller power those smaller powers don't really matter when nations like the US Germany and France and England can basically send individual battle groups out there and punk those countries out in a matter of days..


mind raping a high level officer in a more organized military is also going to amount to little more than revealing your ace in the hole, while it will cause temporary chaos, the moment the guy starts acting funny releasing him from his duty and appointing someone else is very easy especially when a colonel in charge of a base or an Admiral or General in charge of regional assets has an entire staff to notice whats up..and likely a few other "flag" officers that can assume command

remember this isn't anime where the General or Admiral is an all powerful force who can affect the playing field with his own personal might..outside of guys like that maniac who during a war game solo'd the combined US and British Navy with bicycles and messenger pigeons and a dingy (Seriously DL you were deployed in the middle east..you musta heard about that dude what the hell was his name again? guy was boss) or someone like Patton or Petreus you're very much likely to be a command level officer who spent the upper half of his career riding a desk while your insight and skill is invaluable there are others who can step up in your place until you're either back to normal or they can bring in a replacement

Originally Posted by Naruto the Sage of Life

As true as it may be easy to find Zetsu in the ground, how would we go about finding Zetsu that hides in people? How would we go about killing them?

same way you kill any mole or rat problem flush it out with extreme prejudice

Originally Posted by Naruto the Sage of Life

Of course Henge No justu doesn't give mannerism of normal people, but still ninja can use mind control, to make normal civilians their puppets.

which will last about as long as it takes a Drone to snipe 'em

Originally Posted by Naruto the Sage of Life

As true as that may be, the ninja don't need to kill the world leader, they can simply use them as puppets. Even if they can't, a Yamanaka could look into his/her mind and learn invaluable secret of the modern day world.

genjustu them..stable governments have protocols for replacement a chain of command within the political environment - so basically again not that major a deal

Originally Posted by Naruto the Sage of Life

True, that feat has never been shown, and considering the immense firepower the world has vaporization is very much possible however, do you really think we are willing to use such powerful weapons without hesitation?
I do believe that it would not be to difficult for the ninja to use their abilities to spread out into most of the worlds major cities. Tobi could simply teleport them to the world largest cities. Do you really think that the leaders of the world are going to bomb their own cities? That would create so much fear in the worlds people and cause so much chaos that it would give the shinobi a major advantage.

well first of all the type of weaponry that can turn Konoha into a crater effortessly and slaughter Bijuu aren't at the same level of fire power needed to say obliterate Tokyo or New York or say La or Buenos Aires

sorry but the hidden villages aren't that big(in fact the entire population of the five great hidden villages probably doesn't even equal to Brooklyn)..and the tailed beasts aren't thaaattt tough

so essentially unless they use a city like I dunno one of the larger interior Chinese cities as a hostage the major nations don't really have to worry about that

and while Europe may not..America, China and Russia likely would be willing to sacrifice a major city if it meant ending the threat of a gigantic monster animal made partially out of energy that is killing hundreds of thousands and is a risk to millions more

Originally Posted by Naruto the Sage of Life

Assuming that the ninja would simply stay in their main city and wait like sitting ducks is childish, and even if shinobi get sick and die, Kabuto could simply revive them via Edo Tensei. Furthermore, Logically Tobi would keep Kabuto in his pocket dimension so that he would not be exposed to any diseases. \

Edo tensei is not a magical game changer dude

Originally Posted by Naruto the Sage of Life

Shinobi don't really need to replace if they could control people( assuming if possible) If not then reading a world leaders mind should suffice in being able to replace him. Lastly, killing the leader, and then reviving him via edo tensei should work just as well.

again its more complicated than that

Originally Posted by Naruto the Sage of Life

, the combined power of all the tailed beast should suffice, especially if the user just teleports around and attacks all of the world major cities. Furthermore even in death he could simply be revived.

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based on what?

Originally Posted by Ultimate combatant

Is that the same guy who made that cellphone holder on a wrist?!!

I dunno but considering some nerds in South MIA just invented some serum that doubles the lifespan of test animals and gives them increase stamina and vitality..

we maybe looking at friggen Numenor/Atlantis style life/spans and super strength for the average man very soon

Originally Posted by TRcommander

Yeah, I live in a small town, and there's probably more guns than people. It's not like that everywhere, but they're not going to be able to invade a city without facing an armed civilian population. And again, 99% of the naruto verse is fodder that can easily be wiped out by bullets.

oh yeah to add to what TRcommander is saying one of the guys who works for us just bought a Grenade launcher online and he's contemplating buying an old sherman tank

so yeah..in some states in the US civilians can own old military weaponry and hell the other day they auctioned off a friggen stealth boat

it actually gets kinda scary I'm a huge fan of the second amendment because it really is a great deterrent against the government getting tyrannical when even the damn Janitors and busboys can afford and own weapons and would be culturally willing to fight you

but I kinda draw the line at the thought of my neighbors owning friggen tanks

[shinigan no sora]

Oh and one problem with sage of life's idea aboutmaking world leaders into edos to manipulate the battle. And that is the fact that edo tensei zombies ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE ZOMBIES

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

another problem with the revival bit is while Nagato can do it naturally it seems to be lethal when done it to large numbers

it would be suicidaly dangerous to sacrifice one of your best pieces for some pawns

[Ultimate combatant]

Narutoverse, Onepieceverse and Bleachverse have very different powers which can come handy in different situations.

Would Onepieceverse do better?

What about Bleachverse?