Who can solo DBZ?

[shinigan no sora]

Leo and aeris from VGcats

Foamy the squirril and pilze from neurotically yours

The animorphs with speed equal and depending on distance

The shrike

And of course CHUCK NORRIS

[JLI2infinity]

Phineas and Ferb with prep

LMAO this is great.

Whoever said Omnimon must be high.
Whoever said anything from the Pokemon universe must be high.

Those who said this are completely forgetting speed. An absolute zero canon from Omnimon might be able to do it but by the time it's even fired Goten could've probably hit him with four boulder crushing punches to the stomach. Every once in a while in DBZ Toriyama would show us how their speed compares to what the normal human eye sees, in DB Krillin played a full game of rock, paper, scissors and landed several attacks on Roshi before the audience could even blink. On Namek with a power level of 100,000 Goku sent four punches into Recoome's stomach faster than Krillin, Vegeta, and Gohan could register and that was after they were several magnitudes stronger than the DB Krillin.

Hypersonic speed isn't good enough you need a character at some fraction of the speed of light, for low tier characters like Yamcha, Tien, and Krillin Mach 10,000+ is required just to keep up for mid tier characters like Piccolo, the Androids, Goten, and Trunks you'd need to move at probably .1-.2 times the speed of light and for the highest tier characters you'd probably need to be .5 times speed of light. Of course for some reason the speed at which they fly is IMMENSELY slower than this lol.

So basically the criteria are ridiculously hypersonic, planet busting ability, and galaxy busting level durability which I think someone pointed out before. Or a character that just violates the laws of space and time at will like some of the looney toons people have been pointing out as jokes.

No Pokemon or Digimon is even close to capable of that.

I think TTGL characters could do it though, pretty easily too.

[TRcommander]

I think you're high, though ignorant might be a better word. Before commenting on anything about pokemon you should actually make sure you know what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

Those who said this are completely forgetting speed.

No we're not. Speed is only one factor involved.

An absolute zero canon from Omnimon might be able to do it but by the time it's even fired Goten could've probably hit him with four boulder crushing punches to the stomach. Every once in a while in DBZ Toriyama would show us how their speed compares to what the normal human eye sees, in DB Krillin played a full game of rock, paper, scissors and landed several attacks on Roshi before the audience could even blink. On Namek with a power level of 100,000 Goku sent four punches into Recoome's stomach faster than Krillin, Vegeta, and Gohan could register and that was after they were several magnitudes stronger than the DB Krillin.

Don't know much about Digimon, but none of those attacks are hurting the pokemon listed in their released forms, so it doesn't matter how fast they are.

Hypersonic speed isn't good enough you need a character at some fraction of the speed of light, for low tier characters like Yamcha, Tien, and Krillin Mach 10,000+ is required just to keep up for mid tier characters like Piccolo, the Androids, Goten, and Trunks you'd need to move at probably .1-.2 times the speed of light and for the highest tier characters you'd probably need to be .5 times speed of light. Of course for some reason the speed at which they fly is IMMENSELY slower than this lol.

I'm pretty sure your speeds there are inflated, but I'll let someone more knowledgeable about them comment.

So basically the criteria are ridiculously hypersonic,

Again, speed is only one aspect.

planet busting ability

Arceus has low end multiversal creation/destruction and Dialga, Palkia, and Girantina are all universal threats.

and galaxy busting level durability

All of them can survive universal creation and destruction, and I don't think anyone in dbz is a galaxy buster anyways.

Or a character that just violates the laws of space and time

Palkia controls space, Dialga controls time, Giratina has control over antimatter, and Arceus created all three of them and gave them their powers.

No Pokemon or Digimon is even close to capable of that.

You were saying? Basically, the db characters might be faster, but they can't hurt the pokemon, whereas the pokemon can just destroy the universe the fight is in.


edit:

the Pokemon universe

Oh yeah, just fyi, pokemon is a multiverse not a universe.

[JLI2infinity]

but none of those attacks are hurting the pokemon listed in their released forms, so it doesn't matter how fast they are.

Palkia controls space, Dialga controls time, Giratina has control over antimatter, and Arceus created all three of them and gave them their powers

I will admit that you did get me Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, and Arceus all fit the criteria I listed that would be necessary to solo the DBZ verse HOWEVER,

Dialga was grabbed and thrown into the ground by Giratina. Unless you want to argue that Dialga weighs some ridiculous amount of mass that can't be lifted by normal means, which there is no evidence for there is nothing to stop the DBZ warriors from grabbing it by the throat and slamming it into the ground repeatedly before it can attack, then Supreme Kai and Babidi uses their magic to seal their mouths and hands. There's also nothing in their abilities that protects them from special magical abilities. Dabura's spit should be able to turn them to stone and Majin Buu's beam can turn them to chocolate. Although you did prove that there are Pokemon that can harm people in the DBZ universe the speed and strength feats are too much for them to overcome.

Moreover, if you can count those mystical characters in your attack on the DBZ universe, then I can count Shenron and Porunga who also have abilities that ignore the limitations of space and time. Although they couldn't kill Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, or Arceus they could do plenty of other things to limit their power as well as constantly bring back any characters who these pokemon manage to defeat. There are also the great geniuses like Gero, Dr. Brief, and Bulma who would figure out how to detain this Pokemon after they've been caught, I'm sure the scientists who created an infinite source of energy and artificial gravity machines could figure out how to make a master ball.

Also, Arceus got wrecked by a meteor lol. You were saying?

[shinigan no sora]

First that meteor falls under the categoie of plot induced stupidity. If we allow that then we might as well remember the fact that chichi can make goku crap himself or that if guru dies porunga ceases to exist

Also giratina,palkia, &dialga are on the same level of power or at least in the same teir

Various tv incarnations of death/grim reaper. Can solo dbz

Discord from mlp

Q from star trek

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by shinigan no sora

First that meteor falls under the categoie of plot induced stupidity. If we allow that then we might as well remember the fact that chichi can make goku crap himself or that if guru dies porunga ceases to exist

Also giratina,palkia, &dialga are on the same level of power or at least in the same teir

Various tv incarnations of death/grim reaper. Can solo dbz

Discord from mlp

Q from star trek

PIS? On what grounds?

What JLI2Infinity brings up is the fact in terms of conventional regaulr abilities the creation trio seems subpar although if you make them bring in their whole powers they are much more of a bigger threat.

I like to think of them as glass cannon cosmics although it is also said the you need the Lake Trio to awaken Palkia and Dialga at their true power so it is also quite possible that they are quite restricted.

So JLI2Infinity's comment is not incorrect if you are referring to mainly the so called restricted forms seen.

I am sure the creation trio and ARceus should be able do better than that at their fullest but we aren't going to see that.

Mewtwo was a potential planetary threat anyway.



Also 7 Dragonballs have limits.





Anyway no one mentioned:

Elder God Demonbane

I shall name more.

Persona Series for example should do.
Saint of Killers from preacher.
Darkstalkers
Daleks from Doctor Who has the reality bomb not to mention the Weeping Angels.



I am also assuming this is Manga DBZ? Not the anime DBZ because the latter is more powerful and GT is also anime only.

[Vongolatheeleventh]

Everyone forgot about Pretty Cure/Sailor Moon characters

[TRcommander]

I think you missed that part where I said "in their released forms."

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

Dialga was grabbed and thrown into the ground by Giratina.

So one universal level being overpowering another universal level being means that it can be hurt by someone from DBZ? You might want to check your power scaling on that one.

Unless you want to argue that Dialga weighs some ridiculous amount of mass that can't be lifted by normal means, which there is no evidence for. there is nothing to stop the DBZ warriors from grabbing it by the throat and slamming it into the ground repeatedly before it can attack,

In its sealed form I can tell you that Dialga weighs 1505.8 pounds, so I wouldn't argue that. What I would argue, however, is that in its unsealed form it's a non-corporeal being so good luck grabbing its throat. Also, there's the fact that the dbz people still couldn't hurt it anyways, so to get away Dialga could stick them in a time loop, send them back in time, start making a new universe in their face......you know, whatever works.

then Supreme Kai and Babidi uses their magic to seal their mouths and hands.

Besides the fact that Dialga doesn't have hands, show me a feat of their magic working on a universal level being. Also, there's still that whole controlling time thing.

There's also nothing in their abilities that protects them from special magical abilities. Dabura's spit should be able to turn them to stone and Majin Buu's beam can turn them to chocolate.

Show either affecting universal beings.

Although you did prove that there are Pokemon that can harm people in the DBZ universe the speed and strength feats are too much for them to overcome.

Speed doesn't matter here since none of them are out running universal destruction, and strength doesn't matter because you can't stop universal destruction that way, and they have nothing to hurt them with.

Moreover, if you can count those mystical characters in your attack on the DBZ universe, then I can count Shenron and Porunga who also have abilities that ignore the limitations of space and time. Although they couldn't kill Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, or Arceus they could do plenty of other things to limit their power

Like what exactly?

as well as constantly bring back any characters who these pokemon manage to defeat.

It doesn't matter how many times they're revived if they can never win. Also, the pokemon can just stick them in a time loop or trap them in a separate dimension so they don't even need to die to lose.

There are also the great geniuses like Gero, Dr. Brief, and Bulma who would figure out how to detain this Pokemon after they've been caught, I'm sure the scientists who created an infinite source of energy and artificial gravity machines could figure out how to make a master ball.

Since game mechanics don't count, pokeballs don't work on them.

Also, Arceus got wrecked by a meteor lol.

That's called an outlier. As a matter of fact, it's probably one of the best known examples of an outlier in the entire vs. debating community

You were saying?

That Arceus, Dialga, Palkia, and Girantina can all beat the DBZ verse.

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

PIS? On what grounds?

On the grounds that it's probably one of the lowest end showings in all of fiction.

Mewtwo was a potential planetary threat anyway.

No it wasn't.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by Vongolatheeleventh

Everyone forgot about Pretty Cure/Sailor Moon characters

Never cared about Sailor Moon.

Originally Posted by TRcommander

On the grounds that it's probably one of the lowest end showings in all of fiction.

Was this some kind of huge consensus? And from where?

Is it only because he is an universal creator?

No it wasn't.

So then what is it?

[NBT]

1.DarkStalkers?Who?
2.The h*ll is pretty cure?

[NBT]

1.DarkStalkers?Who?
2.The h*ll is pretty cure?

[TRcommander]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Was this some kind of huge consensus?

Yes, but even thinking about it logically should lead you to that conclusion.

And from where?

Besides the simple logic behind it, it's the general consensus of most debating sites including the obd.

Is it only because he is an universal creator?

No. First of all, that's low multiversal thank you very much. Secondly, it's the fact that something that can survive universal creation and destruction just got hurt by something like a meteor. Even without its plates, though, it was still tanking attacks from the dragon trio.

So then what is it?

About city level, though mind rape generally bypasses durability.

[Vongolatheeleventh]

Originally Posted by NBT

1.DarkStalkers?Who?

The DarkStalkers franchise was a fighting video game button masher series thing. It grew popular and has had anime and manga series giving the characters amazing feats and abilities you obviously can't have in a button masher. IIRC They even have a universal level character, that has multiple forms of immortality, though I may have got that bit wrong. But they do have characters that can solo for a fact.

2.The h*ll is pretty cure?

2.The h*ll is pretty cure?

2.The h*ll is pretty cure?

The very meaning of all things god like and rape!
Just kidding, it's like a slightly nerfed Sailor Moon verse, that was similar to a generic rip off of it... It was basically an over powered little girls super hero thing basically that no one really liked at any given time or cares enough about to remember. I wanted to repress it, but they do have abilities to solo DBZ, unfortunately.

[NBT]

Arceus losing to that meteor counts about as much as when Sakura smacks Naruto around.

I know what Darkstalkers is.
That's sad.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by TRcommander

Yes, but even thinking about it logically should lead you to that conclusion.

True but I could not help but ask regardless even though Anime Pokemon is infamous for its inconsistencies.

Its main durability feat I remember of him plus it was a major plot point that I was reluctant to dismiss it.

But we both know how anime pokemon is like so I will just call shenanigans with more certainty.

Besides the simple logic behind it, it's the general consensus of most debating sites including the obd.

Can't argue with that.

No. First of all, that's low multiversal thank you very much.

Calm down. You are giving off a vibe that I am committing a huge sin for some mistake.

Secondly, it's the fact that something that can survive universal creation and destruction just got hurt by something like a meteor. Even without its plates, though, it was still tanking attacks from the dragon trio.

True. Its just the feat was completely ridiculous that I had to just ask.

Pardon my asking.

About city level, though mind rape generally bypasses durability.

People love mentioning that storm of his all the time though.

Its been too long I watched the movie.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by TRcommander

I think you missed that part where I said "in their released forms."

In its sealed form I can tell you that Dialga weighs 1505.8 pounds, so I wouldn't argue that. What I would argue, however, is that in its unsealed form it's a non-corporeal being so good luck grabbing its throat. Also, there's the fact that the dbz people still couldn't hurt it anyways, so to get away Dialga could stick them in a time loop, send them back in time, start making a new universe in their face......you know, whatever works.


Besides the fact that Dialga doesn't have hands, show me a feat of their magic working on a universal level being. Also, there's still that whole controlling time thing.

Show either affecting universal beings.

Speed doesn't matter here since none of them are out running universal destruction, and strength doesn't matter because you can't stop universal destruction that way, and they have nothing to hurt them with.

It doesn't matter how many times they're revived if they can never win. Also, the pokemon can just stick them in a time loop or trap them in a separate dimension so they don't even need to die to lose.

Since game mechanics don't count, pokeballs don't work on them.

That's called an outlier. As a matter of fact, it's probably one of the best known examples of an outlier in the entire vs. debating community

That Arceus, Dialga, Palkia, and Girantina can all beat the DBZ verse.

On the grounds that it's probably one of the lowest end showings in all of fiction.

Well I haven't kept up with Pokemon that much but if these "released forms" make them intangible, spiritual entities then of course they solo the DBZ universe. That's literally like telling the DBZ warriors to fight air or water. You can hardly call those "characters." That would be like if I said "The Force" from Star Wars or "chakra" from Naruto could solo the DBZverse. Or if I told you to have Arceus fight "Ki" from the DBZverse, ki is simply energy it's the primordial source of energy and power for everyone and everything in DBZ.

If you want to make the definition of "character" that loose there's no point in even bringing it up. Character =/= Entity.

[cnorwood]

since when are dragonball characters galaxy busters (speaking from a manga perspective).

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by cnorwood

since when are dragonball characters galaxy busters (speaking from a manga perspective).

Kid Buu, oh wait never mind that was anime and thats also partially debatable if I recall.

ANime and Manga DBZ are so different in power level its not even funny.

[TRcommander]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

True but I could not help but ask regardless even though Anime Pokemon is infamous for its inconsistencies.

Oh god, I know. It's impossible to debate with Ash's pikachu because one moment it's vaporizing boulders the size of small buildings and hurting planetary level threats, and the next it's losing to newly caught starter pokemon. Sorting through the mess that is pokemon feats can be hard.

Calm down. You are giving off a vibe that I am committing a huge sin for some mistake.

I am calm. But it's not so much you as much as the fact that this is the umpteenth time I've had this discussion.

People love mentioning that storm of his all the time though.

That's the problem, it's just so common of a thing for people to bring up that they usually don't realize it's wrong.

Its been too long I watched the movie.

If you rewatch it, I encourage you to watch the original Japanese version.

But basically here's the main part of it. The rest is in the respect thread in the Manga Fox arena.

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by TRcommander

First off, I would like to make this very clear: Mewtwo is not a life wiper. Mewtwo is not close to being a life wiper. The misconception of Mewtwo's destructive capabilities stems from none other than 4kids (as if I didn't hate them enough already). Basically, what happened was in the original Japanese version, Voyager, the woman in charge of the pier, stated that the ferry would not be running to New Island because they were in the middle of the largest hurricane she had ever seen. However, once 4kids got a hold of the movie, they decided to add in the whole story of the legendary, almost life-wiping storm to compare to Mewtwo's. In other words, the legendary storm is non-canon. It should also be noted that in the Japanese version, Mewtwo never out right states that he intends to kill all humans, nor does he ever even imply that he would attempt to do so using that storm. So again, Mewtwo's life wiping attempt with a storm is non-canon.

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

Well I haven't kept up with Pokemon that much but if these "released forms" make them intangible, spiritual entities then of course they solo the DBZ universe. That's literally like telling the DBZ warriors to fight air or water. You can hardly call those "characters." That would be like if I said "The Force" from Star Wars or "chakra" from Naruto could solo the DBZverse. Or if I told you to have Arceus fight "Ki" from the DBZverse, ki is simply energy it's the primordial source of energy and power for everyone and everything in DBZ.

If you want to make the definition of "character" that loose there's no point in even bringing it up. Character =/= Entity.

I mean that in more of a "Negi (from Negima!) being made out of lightning" than a "the force from star wars being a mystical concept" kind of way. They still have bodies, they're just made out of energy rather than being completely solid.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

That would be like if I said "The Force" from Star Wars...

If you want to make the definition of "character" that loose there's no point in even bringing it up. Character =/= Entity.

You can be an entity without being a physical manifestation. The pokemon are still sentient in their intang. forms, awakened forms, and etc. Also Luke Skywalker could easily solo DBZ verse, so yeah "the force" could. But more to the point, an entity is simply the existance and conscious or unconscious action of an object or individual.


Also no one mentioned PPG?
I do love how someone said discord though. :3